Looks like it's already confirmed according to boxrec.. Juan Diaz
Who's gonna win and how?
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Looks like it's already confirmed according to boxrec.. Juan Diaz
Who's gonna win and how?
Juan Diaz by UD
JD by decision for me simply because Kats' defense is not that great imo. He gets hit a lot. And he gets careless when he feels like he's winning the fight.
I was gonna vote for "JD by KO" but most of us know he doesn't have power.
Katsidis by KO. Diaz also has leaky defense and gets hit a lot, as does Katsidis, but I feel that Katsidis has a power advantage and that he'll be able to match or exceed Diaz' work rate. Nate Campbell almost stopped Diaz, so it's not like he's some unstoppable. Katsidis will stop him.
I talked about this in another thread, hopefully I can get the same essence.
Diaz and Katsidis are both coming off loses, but Katsidis comes off his loss the better of the two.
When Campbell took the fight to Diaz, Diaz took quite a beating. He was used to controlling the fight, but when someone was able to do it to him, he folded and couldn't find an answer.
Katsidis began his fight with Casamayor by being knocked down twice, then went on to lose the next couple of rounds. All of a sudden Kats showed his heart and fought his way back and even led at one point in the scorecards. And if you forgot, knocked Casa out of the ring.
When Diaz needed to show heart, he couldn't find it, when Katsidis had to dig deep, he shined (even though he got blasted in the end).
I see Diaz outworking and controlling the first couple of rounds against Kats. Eventually Kats doesn't bow down and Diaz gets discouraged. Kats then fights his way back to the scorecards and stops Diaz late in the fight.
The only thing I disagree about is Diaz' heart. I thought by finishing the fight on his feet he showed a lot of heart, he looked like he wanted to quit, but he stayed there and fought as best he could. He just didn't have the skills/gameplan/ring smarts to match Campbell's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
katsidis via late round rally with jd trying to survive.
i'm envisioning the same scenario as caleoh but i think diaz would have it in him to survive to lose by a close decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThe only thing I disagree about is Diaz' heart. I thought by finishing the fight on his feet he showed a lot of heart, he looked like he wanted to quit, but he stayed there and fought as best he could. He just didn't have the skills/gameplan/ring smarts to match Campbell's game.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
I went Juan Diaz KO, just because TKO or stoppage wasn't an option. I think Diaz has the far better skills and at least an equal workrate. Campbell was able to get to Diaz and hurt him a little but he has far more craft than Kats could dream of and is just as tough imo. It's not as though Campbell was the first guy Diaz fought who could punch ither.. Freitas and Julio Diaz could both bang as well. I don't see Katsidis being able to take as many punches as he should against Diaz, assuming Juan has his head in the fight. He'll give it his all and I don't expect Diaz to take it easily, but Katsidis will have to be willing to take several shots to land one as long as Juan keeps throwing them. Should be a very exciting matchup.
Kats by KO.
Campbell and Katsidis have similarities on their fighting style. But imo, Kats is quicker and hits harder.
Gotta go with the local boy. Katsidis to come back in a big way after his loss to make a statement to the world.
Im still a fan of Diaz i just think Campbell had his number that was an excellent performance from Cambell his slickness was just too much for Diaz on the inside and outside. I do think what hurts Diaz is that he doesn't have power thats why he couldn't turn it on late against Campbell. In fact Diaz reminds me of Jesus Chavez similar height and similar style etc.
Katsidis is limited but he does have power so maybe he can shake up Diaz, he certainly will have his chances with Diaz coming forward all night, someone mentioned Diaz has a bad defense, i don't think his defense is that bad for a swarming fighter, i think Katsidis's defense is far worse. Im picking Diaz by UD in a all out war with both men hitting the canvas.
Not really. Nate is the much better schooled, craftier fighter. Katsidis is about as slick as sandpaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
You won't see much difference if Katsidis also fight Diaz on the inside toe to toe, which I'm sure he will. Katsidis will inflect more damage than Campbell did Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingNot really. Nate is the much better schooled, craftier fighter. Katsidis is about as slick as sandpaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
The volume punching of Diaz could cause Katsidis some trouble as he cuts easily. While Diaz may not have the KO power to stop Katsidis it could get stopped on cuts i guess. Katsisdis needs a big win as does Diaz so it should be a great fight.
The difference is Campbell could inflict damage without taking everything Diaz threw flush on his chin. I don't doubt Katsidis will land some hard punches on Diaz, just don't think he can keep eating combinations in order to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftYou won't see much difference if Katsidis also fight Diaz on the inside toe to toe, which I'm sure he will. Katsidis will inflect more damage than Campbell did Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingNot really. Nate is the much better schooled, craftier fighter. Katsidis is about as slick as sandpaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Sorry Pac but your way off here you actually think Katsidis will roll with the shots and counter like Campbell did ?? you must be joking surely bro ?? Katsidis and Campbell are about as different as you could get.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftYou won't see much difference if Katsidis also fight Diaz on the inside toe to toe, which I'm sure he will. Katsidis will inflect more damage than Campbell did Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingNot really. Nate is the much better schooled, craftier fighter. Katsidis is about as slick as sandpaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Campbell was countering?.. maybe. But he was more exchanging than countering (timed punch). He pretty much refused to be bullied in the ring. He made Diaz tasted his own medicine. It was a give-n-take fight. But Diaz was the one who's been "taking" a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBSorry Pac but your way off here you actually think Katsidis will roll with the shots and counter like Campbell did ?? you must be joking surely bro ?? Katsidis and Campbell are about as different as you could get.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftYou won't see much difference if Katsidis also fight Diaz on the inside toe to toe, which I'm sure he will. Katsidis will inflect more damage than Campbell did Diaz.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Campbell may be well schooled than Katsidis. But like I said, you won't see much difference if Kats fight JD on the inside too.
Diaz will prove too busy an opponent and will outwork kats for a UD win.
I got Katsidis by KO.
Diaz is going to get backed up no matter how many punches he throws.
Nate Campbell almost stopped Diaz with what? Diaz's problem is he's a natural brawler without power. Campbell beat Diaz simply because he outslicked him. Any fighter who doesn't have that kind of finesse doesn't stand a chance against Diaz. Half of Diaz's defense is his insane workrate that made his last 2 defeated opponents quit on their respective stools. When Diaz is trained out of his brawler mentality he is a monster. His defense against Cotto was genius- any time you can weather an opponent throwing an onslaught of 100+ punches in the first 3 rounds and make it look easy means you know how to defend. The loss will do Diaz a lot of good and he will return to doing the things his team has wanted him to do to not only be more well-rounded but extend his career if he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
You guys are out of your damn gourds. Diaz is going to smoke Katsidis.
After Juan is through with him Katsidis will never be on a major card in America again.
I didn't mean he almost stopped him in that he dropped him or anything, but Diaz' eye was a mess and there were times where it looked like he wasn't going to come out for the next round. I probably should've said something like it looked like he was in danger of being stopped or that it looked like he could've been stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidNate Campbell almost stopped Diaz with what? Diaz's problem is he's a natural brawler without power. Campbell beat Diaz simply because he outslicked him. Any fighter who doesn't have that kind of finesse doesn't stand a chance against Diaz. Half of Diaz's defense is his insane workrate that made his last 2 defeated opponents quit on their respective stools. When Diaz is trained out of his brawler mentality he is a monster. His defense against Cotto was genius- any time you can weather an opponent throwing an onslaught of 100+ punches in the first 3 rounds and make it look easy means you know how to defend. The loss will do Diaz a lot of good and he will return to doing the things his team has wanted him to do to not only be more well-rounded but extend his career if he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Didn't the ring doctor approach his corner at one point and checked him out? That should indicate that the fight was close of being stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI didn't mean he almost stopped him in that he dropped him or anything, but Diaz' eye was a mess and there were times where it looked like he wasn't going to come out for the next round. I probably should've said something like it looked like he was in danger of being stopped or that it looked like he could've been stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidNate Campbell almost stopped Diaz with what? Diaz's problem is he's a natural brawler without power. Campbell beat Diaz simply because he outslicked him. Any fighter who doesn't have that kind of finesse doesn't stand a chance against Diaz. Half of Diaz's defense is his insane workrate that made his last 2 defeated opponents quit on their respective stools. When Diaz is trained out of his brawler mentality he is a monster. His defense against Cotto was genius- any time you can weather an opponent throwing an onslaught of 100+ punches in the first 3 rounds and make it look easy means you know how to defend. The loss will do Diaz a lot of good and he will return to doing the things his team has wanted him to do to not only be more well-rounded but extend his career if he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Diaz UD.
You're talking about apples and oranges. Diaz being cut and the fight almost being stopped because of it isn't the same as Diaz almost being taken out because Campbell put the hammer down on him. That sort of thing could happen to any fighter. When Casamayor "stopped" Corrales in their first match, did Corrales look defeated? Or did Corrales look ready to pour everything out in between rounds to try to get Casa out of there so he didn't lose? How it looked is entirely different than what actually went on. Diaz was there all night and unfortunately for him, the bullying style he employed only worked in Campbell's favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SE7ENDidn't the ring doctor approach his corner at one point and checked him out? That should indicate that the fight was close of being stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI didn't mean he almost stopped him in that he dropped him or anything, but Diaz' eye was a mess and there were times where it looked like he wasn't going to come out for the next round. I probably should've said something like it looked like he was in danger of being stopped or that it looked like he could've been stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
Katsidis hit more harder than Campbell and stopped Diaz clearly , obviously Katsidis will make pressure to Diaz toe to toe and will KO him....;D
I clarified what I meant, but I do think that Diaz looked completely defeated in the latter stages of the Campbell fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidYou're talking about apples and oranges. Diaz being cut and the fight almost being stopped because of it isn't the same as Diaz almost being taken out because Campbell put the hammer down on him. That sort of thing could happen to any fighter. When Casamayor "stopped" Corrales in their first match, did Corrales look defeated? Or did Corrales look ready to pour everything out in between rounds to try to get Casa out of there so he didn't lose? How it looked is entirely different than what actually went on. Diaz was there all night and unfortunately for him, the bullying style he employed only worked in Campbell's favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by SE7ENDidn't the ring doctor approach his corner at one point and checked him out? That should indicate that the fight was close of being stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Katsidis by KO