Where Is Floyd Mayweather Ranked In All Time Listings Now He Has Retired?

I think he has to be top 15

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I think he has to be top 15

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I was going to say top 25.

hard to say... i will say this he could of been top 10 without doubt if he would of continued fighting for about another 3 years and beat everyone he could of.

Just taking at shot at it I would say 25-35...
Somewhere around there.

I think very highly of Floyd as a boxer, but top 15 is too high IMO.

I'll need some more time to compare different fighters and read some more, but I'm guessing right now he's in the 40s.

Top 20, but he'll fight again.

Top 20
But could be higher

I wonder when he'll un-retire.

I had thought it was a publicity stunt/negotiating ploy for the rematch with DLH, but the 90 day deadline is getting pretty close and GBP says the Sept 20 date is scrapped and they're doing a Sept 13 PPV card instead.

I say Cotto beats Margarito and then if he fights DLH in December and wins.

HBO will offer a huge payday at a bored Mayweather, who misses the attention and realizes he's not as popular as he had hoped, and comes back.

top 20

I'm thinking around 30ish, talent wise he's up in my top 5, but his competition drops him down on my list.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Just taking at shot at it I would say 25-35...
Somewhere around there.

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I was thinking the same thing. Yes he was a great fighters and yes he was skilled but there have been a lot more guys who accomplished more then he did. Level of competition, era they reigned and so on that deserve the nod above Floyd. There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Just taking at shot at it I would say 25-35...
Somewhere around there.

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I was thinking the same thing. Yes he was a great fighters and yes he was skilled but there have been a lot more guys who accomplished more then he did. Level of competition, era they reigned and so on that deserve the nod above Floyd. There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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I agree, and my comment is just taking a shot at it.
Who knows might be higher, might be lower. I was just shooting for a number. :)

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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I think he has to be top 15

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I was going to say top 25.

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I was going to check the bottom of my shoe, ahhhh... there it is.
;D

A deffo top 20 for me at this stage, but I think as with any of the greats, legendary status becomes clearer to view & assess in retrospect, say at least a 5 to 10 year period after there last fight.....

:badass::badass::badass:

Top 20-25's....But if he sticks around and takes out Cotta he'll shoot right up if you ask me.

I think Mayweather needs to learn he doesn't decide how good he is.

We do.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Top 20-25's....But if he sticks around and takes out Cotta he'll shoot right up if you ask me.

I think Mayweather needs to learn he doesn't decide how good he is.

We do.

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Same thoughts here. He retired without facing a couple of (threats) fighters that would've beaten him. Tsk! tsk! What a shame.

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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Yeah? I challenge you to name FIVE of them...

Hard to say at this point. Somewhere from 20-40 maybe?

We all glorify older fighters, Floyd's ranking will go up the longer he's been retired.

His biggest wins just dont stack up to the big wins of the atgs before him. As far as skill goes he is top 10. Defense he is top 5. As far as career goes and where he ranks id say somewhere between 25-30 and he is that high primarily because he was one of the best super featherweights ever.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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Yeah? I challenge you to name FIVE of them...

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I am not saying all of these guys are more skilled then PBF, but look at these names and compare see with what you come up...

Pernell
Pep
RJJ
SRR
Arguello
SRL
"Finito" Lopez
Ali

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Originally Posted by Tins06

Top 20-25's....But if he sticks around and takes out Cotta he'll shoot right up if you ask me.

I think Mayweather needs to learn he doesn't decide how good he is.

We do.

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Think I agree with you the most. A Cotto victory would really send him up to that lofty plateau where nobody would have many grounds by which to question his skills/competition again IMO.
If we're talking legacy and rankings, he needs that Cotto fight more than anything..because right now only some people are sold on his greatness. If he beats Cotto, EVERYONE is sold on his greatness.

some where around where RJ will be on the list but RJ being lower on the list of course.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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Yeah? I challenge you to name FIVE of them...

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I am not saying all of these guys are more skilled then PBF, but look at these names and compare see with what you come up...

Pernell
Pep
RJJ
SRR
Arguello
SRL
"Finito" Lopez
Ali

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It's a tough argument to see who is more skilled however you mix it up though Floyd is at THAT level. SweetPea and Pep have gotta own for defense, but Floyd's pinpoint punching is far better IMO plus his defense is right up there. SRL, PBF and RJJ and very close in all aspects IMO as well, they were all absolute masters of their own styles. People say p4p SRR was the greatest ever, I tend to agree but Floyd's defense is much tighter, although SRR's offense was phenomenal, probably the best in the history of boxing (enter disclaimer here). Judging against Finito and Ali is incredibly difficult for me, because the severe differences in weight make all movements different for their respective weight classes, Ali (LIKE RJJ) was Freakishly quick for being a HW.

Total package of offense and defense a good argument could be made to have Floyd in the top 5 easily.

Floyd is great, he has great skills, but I still does not feel that he battled enough to be among the first 10.

But, I am not sure if he is really retired or if he is just avoiding unecessary risks fighting De La Hoya and he is just waiting for the result of Cotto-Margarito, and the winner of this fight and De La Hoya... Just my opinion, which may be totally wrong...

Just outside the top 20 but the real question is how high people would rate Mayweather if he beat Cotto ??

But would he really have to beat Cotto to be ranked higher Cotto is a threat to Mayweather for sure but has only just stepped up his level himself Judah,Mosely and now Margarito.

I'd probably have him between 20 & 30. Not too many fighters over the past 20 years would be higher than him imo; i.e Pernell, RJJ and Finito (I don't count the fab four as being the last 20 years ;) )

I think Mayweather is as good as anyone that has ever been or ever will be.

Floyd is not retired. Everyone knows that he will start to go broke, make a comback eventually fight beyond the point where his can compete at such a high level, and eventually be broke again with a decade of retiring for real.

Skill wise he is among the all time greats. Overall he doesn't crack the top 20. Even if he comes back and beats Cotto (which he probably will do), he doesn't come close to being among the top 10.

Tysonbruno Mayweather Jr is one of my favorite fighters of all time but you forgetting your history here.

Heres 20 quick names not in order.


Willie Pep
Sugar Ray Robinson
Roy Jones Jr
Archie Moore
Jimmy Wilde
Harry Greb
Julio Cesar Chavez
Jack Johnson
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Sam Langford
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Benny Leonard
Jack Dempsey
Micky Walker
Joe Gans
Sugar Ray Leonard
Gene Tunney

And theres more like.

Alexis Arguello
Ezzard Charles

etc.

Not in the Top 10! Retires while the likes of Cotto, Margarito and again Williams are around? No siree Bob, he is not a top 10 ATG!!!!
He fights and beats 2 out of 3 of these guys in their prime and with his past record i would have him up there? Lots of unfinished business with the pretty boy.
Wimp!!

He could easily be one of the top 10 most talented fighters of all times but his accomplishments just don't measure up to make him one of the 10 greatest.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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Yeah? I challenge you to name FIVE of them...

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I am not saying all of these guys are more skilled then PBF, but look at these names and compare see with what you come up...

Pernell
Pep
RJJ
SRR
Arguello
SRL
"Finito" Lopez
Ali

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These are incredibly skilled guys, but I don't believe they were as skilled as Floyd with the exception of possibly SRR. Pep and Pernell are two of my idols, but they relied a lot on reflexes and god given speed. Same with RJJ.

If you're looking at pure boxing skill, offense, defense, footwork, psychology, ring generalship, ect, I don't think any of these guys put it all together like FLoyd Mayweather.

People can knock Floyd for his compedition, or retiring while there are still mega fights out there that he should be taking, but if you look at his in ring ability without bias, I think you'll be hard pressed to find many who were more skilled than Floyd, let alone "lots" as the gentleman I replied to claimed. :cool:

Floyd can, and has, fought in pretty much any position with great success. He could box, stay away and pick guys apart just as easily as he could stand in the pocket and bang away or fight off the ropes. How many guys could do that?

I watch Floyd and the first thing that comes to my is adaptability. I think the big thing that the Ricky Hatton fight reaffirmed is that Floyd has no immediate weaknesses or holes in his game. He is as good of an all round fighter as I've ever seen.

I rank guys ahead of him, like SRR, because of their achievments though.

I said he had to be top 15 perhaps even at best 15 he retired if he is retired unbeaten in 39 fights a 5 weight champ 6 time champ 20 odd world title fights against top notch names and at the time of retirement he was and had been P4P number 1 a couple of year.And to come from super feather to lightmiddle at 5 ft 8 inch is a great achievement.Lets all reflect on his career and place him we all know as fans where he belongs.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

There are also a lot of guys that were more skilled then Floyd (Sorry all you PBF fans).

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Yeah? I challenge you to name FIVE of them...

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I think that Floyd (While he is skilled) has looked better then many think because of opponent choices. I am going to add this to my sig "Floyd has not sought out top competition since 135lbs).

Zab Judah (Lost to Spinks and BALDOMIR)
Baldomir (You can eat a sandwhich between punches)
Gatti (Shot beyone belief)
DLH (A close fight and Oscar was/is FAR from prime)
Hatton (Great fighter but has one speed, gave Floyd some rough moments kept him on the ropes, Ricky was countered by a better boxer)

It is not hard to look GREAT against opponents not at full peak and great. I don't think Floyd is/was as good as he was at LW/SFW. If he was his heart killed it by looking for the easy road whenever possible.

Even if I worded it wrong by saying skilled rather then deserved point is Floyd does not belong in the top 20 simple as that. Just to name your 5.

Ray Robinson,
Muhammad Ali,
Henry Armstrong,
Ray Leonard,
Roy Jones (Especially at MW/SMW)


There are you 5 and if I really sat and thought about it I could easlily come up with 5 more. How far back in this sport do you go?

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Floyd is not retired. Everyone knows that he will start to go broke, make a comback eventually fight beyond the point where his can compete at such a high level, and eventually be broke again with a decade of retiring for real.

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Even if he doesn't go broke, he'll fight again.

He'll miss the sport and attention and fight again.

He craves attention. How much attention will he really get when he's retired? He's not as famous and popular as he wants to be or likes to think he is.

I don't see his final retirement being some press release, it'll be a press conference where he's in tears talking about how great he is.

One question came to mind after reading this thread:

Is Floyd or Roy Jones Jr. higher in the all time list?

Were RJJ to beat Calzaghe or were Floyd to beat Cotto (I don't believe in his retirement either), I'd say it was clear. Now I am actually not so sure. Roy Jones was damn near unbeatable at MW/SMW, but so was Floyd in a number of weights. I guess I'd still have RJJ higher, as his list of great wins is perhaps slightly longer, but how do you guys feel?

Coincidentally Roy Jones might actually be ranked higher had _he_ chosen to retire early (read: After beating Ruiz).

How anyone can make a case for a fighter to be among the all time greats when his 3 biggest wins are a 35 year old Oscar, a one dimensional and undersized Hatton, and a shot/punching bag in Gatti...is beyond me. There is no arguing that those three fighters are the BIGGEST names on his resume. Sure, he fought some good competition earlier in his career...but in recent years he has handpicked some real average foes. He gets some props for going up in weight to fight Oscar...but that fight cannot be called a career defining fight. I think it's a combination of Floyd not being in a particularly strong era for fighters in his weight classes (this aint no days of Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard) and also him handpicking less than spectacular opponents. It doesn't help that you always get the sense that Floyd fights more for money and publicity rather than personal challenges and a legacy. Sure, no one can question his incredible skill. But that is not enough to be mentioned among the truly all time greats.