He is fast , but thats it , he has a questinable chin , and the first tough guy he faces wil KO him in my opinion.
What do you guys think ????
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He is fast , but thats it , he has a questinable chin , and the first tough guy he faces wil KO him in my opinion.
What do you guys think ????
maybe your right but either that or his going through early challenges like some great fighters go through before they reach their ultimate best.
Con gets wrecked against the top fighters
On tonight's performance he's not ever going to be a world champion. The best thing he can do is do what Ricky Hatton did at the same point in his career. Fight a bunch of carefully picked fighters, make as much money as he can and get as good as he can get. Then take the step up against a champion right at the end of his career and see if he can win. I think the odds are he signs with Warren again.
I once said that same thing on the Hatton forum. I wonder if I'll still be able to log in next time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
He gonna get exposed big time by any "A" level fighters.
I just watched the fight vid for the first time. Imo it was a premature stoppage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4CzX5Fmgu4
YOU ARE RIGHT MY FRIEND , AS USUAL WARREN BOUGHT THE REF .Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I know what you are saying but if Khan fought at a higher level he would box a diferent way.
I think he needs to fight a current top 10 lightweight to bring out the best in him or maybe expose him.
I think Khan wants to fight the best but Warren is holding him back not wanting to take a risk.
Also dont forget when he was on the way up Nigel Benn got dropped,rocked and stopped before he won a world title.:o
Yes Khan may fight differently againest a better fighter , but a better fighter will find hid chin easier than Gomez , who couldnt drop a glass jawed Carl Johanson , simple fact is Khan gets KOED at top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I know what you are saying but if Khan fought at a higher level he would box a diferent way.
I think he needs to fight a current top 10 lightweight to bring out the best in him or maybe expose him.
I think Khan wants to fight the best but Warren is holding him back not wanting to take a risk.
Also dont forget when he was on the way up Nigel Benn got dropped,rocked and stopped before he won a world title.:o
Even if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes Khan may fight differently againest a better fighter , but a better fighter will find hid chin easier than Gomez , who couldnt drop a glass jawed Carl Johanson , simple fact is Khan gets KOED at top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I know what you are saying but if Khan fought at a higher level he would box a diferent way.
I think he needs to fight a current top 10 lightweight to bring out the best in him or maybe expose him.
I think Khan wants to fight the best but Warren is holding him back not wanting to take a risk.
Also dont forget when he was on the way up Nigel Benn got dropped,rocked and stopped before he won a world title.:o
Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.;D
Lewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaEven if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlYes Khan may fight differently againest a better fighter , but a better fighter will find hid chin easier than Gomez , who couldnt drop a glass jawed Carl Johanson , simple fact is Khan gets KOED at top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.;D
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlLewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaEven if Khan cant take a big shot and I dont think that has been proven one way or the other yet that does not mean he wont be world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Lennox Lewis,Nigel Benn,Tommy Hernes to name a few off the top of my head all went down if hit clean and they done ok in there time.;D
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?
Fast acurate hands.
Very good footwork.
Picks his shots well.
Fast busy workrate.
Recovers from a knockdown quickly and returns fire with fire.
Hard but not devestating puncher.
Good all round boxer.
Can fight on the back foot.
Can fight going forward.
Big heart.
Willing to learn.
Wants to fight the best out there.
:confused:Chin:confused: will find out in the future.
I won't judge Khan yet. He is developing and still learning and we don't know what he will become. Just take it easy on him guys.:cool:
WANTS TO FIGHT THE BEST OUT THERE ???Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlLewis and Hearns were great fighter , all 3 have excellent KO power ,Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
What qualities does Khan have to compare to these 3 ?
Fast acurate hands.
Very good footwork.
Picks his shots well.
Fast busy workrate.
Recovers from a knockdown quickly and returns fire with fire.
Hard but not devestating puncher.
Good all round boxer.
Can fight on the back foot.
Can fight going forward.
Big heart.
Willing to learn.
Wants to fight the best out there.
:confused:Chin:confused: will find out in the future.
HE HAD BETTER LEAVE THE WARREN CAMP THEN. LOL
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlWANTS TO FIGHT THE BEST OUT THERE ???Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Fast acurate hands.
Very good footwork.
Picks his shots well.
Fast busy workrate.
Recovers from a knockdown quickly and returns fire with fire.
Hard but not devestating puncher.
Good all round boxer.
Can fight on the back foot.
Can fight going forward.
Big heart.
Willing to learn.
Wants to fight the best out there.
:confused:Chin:confused: will find out in the future.
HE HAD BETTER LEAVE THE WARREN CAMP THEN. LOL
I agree.
Warren is good at developing fighters but is reluctant to let them make that last step up to world level.
He will win a world tittle but how good a champion he becomes only time will tell he is young.
He has a bit of a way to go I actually think he will move up to LWW and clean up after Hatton the extra weight may help his punch resistance I cant see may people at LWW handle his speed
Khan Vs Bradley next year ?
people keep bangin on about Kahns chin but he aint been KO'd, so nothing has been proved.. He has been in trouble once in his career, and recoved well..
I agree, he has to tighten up his defense. His chin is awful.
Jesus Christ.
I hope you people realise that Boxing is in the state it's in today because the majority of the fans are as fickle as i'm seeing on here.
Are prospects not even allowed to get hit anymore? It's shitty enough that a prospects career can be over as soon as he loses for the first time, but to say it's practically over because he got hit a few times is completely ludicrous.
This is the sort of thinking that stops promoters from putting their fighters in with quality, testing opposition, because the minute their fighter get's hurt or looks bad the fighter is suddenly shite.
Where's the learning curve? He's 21 for god sake. If you can show me any prospect that is the perfect fighter or any prospect that doesn't have certain question marks hanging over him, then you will have shown me a world class fighter and not actually a prospect. Amir Kahn is a prospect. A very good prospect at that.
Obviously Frank Warren is expecting him to make mistakes. If he didn't, Kahn would have fought Nate or Casa by now. At the minute Kahn is fighting the level of oppostion where he can make mistakes and not get punished for them. Surely that's the aim when bringing a fighter along. So long as he learns from the mistakes (which i believe he is) then there isn't a problem.
Personally i think kahn is about 2 years away from a world title. To say he won't win one when we're in an era where the likes of Maussa, Baldomir, Arthur, Rees, Witter, Maccarineli, Harris, Malignaggi, Mora etc... can win world titles is a little bit over the top.
It's ok saying he'l get found out at the top level, but who's there to find him out? I expect if the 135 division is too tough, he'll move up to 140 to challenge for one. There certainly aint anyone, except for Hatton who i'd worry about Kahn not been able to beat at 140 in about a years time.
As for last night's fight, i thought Kahn was pretty good. He kept his left hand up quite a lot more than he has in the past. that's a sign he's learning from his mistakes. His combinations were world class. I don't think anybody can deny that. He showed he had heart. Offensively he is brilliant.
Defensively he needs work but it's hard to be great defensively when you throw that many combinations. You're bound to leave yourself open at some point. His chin is still in question for me. The shot last night knocked him off balance, he got caught square on. He got hurt to the body, but he covered up well and came back with an even better shot.
He looks a bit vulnerable to me at times and he get's too involved when he could win fights on the back foot. Nothing that can't be ironed out with maturity.
As for Gomez, i said when the fight was made, i couldn't believe warren would put kahn in with him. He's unpredictable. I said it was a dangerous fight and i was laughed at by some on here.
Anyway i think i've made my point. He's a prospect. Prospects make mistakes. I didn't think he was ready for a world title before the fight and i still don't think he is ready now. Just think it's a shame that he doesn't seem to be allowed to make mistakes without being bagged on.
Some fair points , yes he is learning , but my opinion is he will wilt under world class pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Gomez is shot.
PS. calm down ;D
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Dont forget Ali almost got KOd by Cooper and in his next fight he beat Liston for the Heavy weight championship of the world.
Also De La Hoya got put down a few times early in his carrer and critics said he could not take a shot but he went on to prove he has a great chin.
Khan is a great prospect and I dont understand how you could say different.;D
Gomez clearly wasn't shot. He's past his best, but he isn't shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlSome fair points , yes he is learning , but my opinion is he will wilt under world class pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Gomez is shot.
PS. calm down ;D
Gomez will have never been up for a fight as much as he was last night. When somebody as unpredictbale as Gomez is extremley motivated for a fight, it's always going to a dangerous ride. People we're saying he was shot before he destroyed Alex Arthur remember.
Apart from being caught with the silly left hook for the knockdown....which was only a flash, and apart from the body shot that hurt him, Kahn didn't do an awful lot wrong. At times he looked amazing when he was letting his flurries go.
I agree he does sometimes look like he could wilt under a lot of pressure, but having said that look how he reacts when he gets caught. Everytime he's come back with something that's made me go 'wow'
I think as he matures his composure will improve which should enable him to deal with pressure fighters. I also think he's the sort of fighter who would benefit from fighting in a bigger ring. It's very hard not to get involved with a pressure fighter when the ring is that small.
Ok To put a few points accross. Gomez well past his best and kahn should of done him in the first round. kahns chin is pish he cant handle getting hit and has to slow down. i think he moves well and has fast hands but he has bad defence, holds his chin in the air Someone said "he hasnt been ko'd but there was controversy over his knockdown against limond, he was down for more than ten. And limond cant burst balloons. He should put up or shut up. Im from aberdeen scotland i have boxed 7 years and box with the wbu light welter champ lee mcallister, If kahn wants a world title fight he should fight lee who is 25-1 lightweight wbu and lww wbu champ and scottish champ, Lee was supposed to fight gomez before kahn but gomez pulled out. Instead he fought mihait mutu who has beaten barry morrison former british champ. I think if lee was from edinburgh or glasgow he would be much better known. He would knock Kahn out i wasnt convinced but after the gomez fight he would slam him.
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Originally Posted by feeney
Yeh well my mate Dave would knock Lee out anyday
:p
That's basically how your post sounds.
i know i sound like that but having seen both box and seen weaknesses in both i think kahn would have a really hard fight
Ono you make some good points but i have a different way of thinking to you, yes he is young and yes he has only had 18 pro fights, but don't you find it worrying he has already been floored 3 times in his career ?? against fighter's who are either below average with no punching power or who are only good at domestic level aka Gomez. If you are a good upcoming prospect with a good future ahead of you your supposed to be taking apart fighters like Gomez, Limond, etc. And age isn't that much of a factor didn't Floyd Mayweather Jr win a world title when he just turned 21 with only 17 pro fights at the time ??
Khan is talking about fighting for world title soon so of course people are going to say he will fail at world stage after seeing Khan struggle against fighters who shouldn't of troubled him plus these are fighters with no punching power except Gomez who is a decent puncher but in no way shape or form is he a devastating puncher. Plus i don't think Khan has really stepped up much in class, Gomez was a well chosen opponent and you know it Ono. Khan has showed good recovery skills but thats because his opponents have never really took advantage of the situation, do you really think a world class fighter like Casamayor wouldn't finish Khan off if he got him in trouble ?? or Diaz, or Pacquiao etc. Khan has some good qualites about him but he also has some very bad ones as well like dropping his hands after throwing combinations, that would be disaster against excellent counter punchers like Marquez, Guzman, Campbell, Casamayor.
Plus his chin is also very suspect IMO the sad thing is i doubt Warren will get Khan to step up in class for quite sometime so none of our questions will be answered for quite sometime, but i also didn't think Khan dealt well with getting hit to the body, as a boxer myself if you get hurt to the body which i have before. You bite down on your mouthpiece and block the pain out you don't show any weakness to your opponent which Khan did, and a world class fighter would of finished him off right there and then, one of the most important things when your in the ring is to have a poker face and never let your opponent think he has the upper hand. But like i said we will see i honestly think he will fail at the world stage but lets hopefully all are question's can be answered soon.
Put him in with the winner of Diaz V Katsidis, now that will tell us if he is any good!
I agree with Ono, Khan is only 21 and is showing exceptional promise.
What is rather ironic is that if he wasn't such a hyped talent but was an unknown with his exact same record people would say he could really take a shot having been in trouble a couple of times in his career but instantly getting back up to stop his opponent just a round or two later.
I don't see how people can say his chin is weak as if he'll collapse as soon as pressure is applied as twice now he has legitimately been caught and dropped and risen straight back instantly and gone back on the offensive.
Why are you haters not calling Michael Gomez glass jawed as he was dropped twice in the same fight?
What about Librado Andrade as he got floored with a single punch by Yusaf Mack?
Getting caught flush and falling to the ground can happen to any fighter.
Getting back up before the ref has even started to count and then delivering a complete beat down of your opponent ending the fight within the next 3 to 6 minutes is the sign of a fighter with great heart.
It's never said on this board but go through Khan's last 5 or 6 fights and show me a more exciting young fighter in the world today?
His fight with Gomez was a war, his fight with Willie Limond was awesome, his destruction of Graham Earl was brutal.
He's far and way Britains' most exciting fighter to watch right now and when he does step up in class you can virtually guarantee he;ll be in fight of the year matchups.
Why does nobody ever mention his entertainment value? He's great fun to watch and his suspect chin just adds to the drama.
And as for him not making it at the top level, utter bollocks.
Sure he very well may lose going up against the likes of Pazquaio, Diaz, Casamayor etc but he's going to be around for a long time and his career won't be decided on a single fight.
And to be real here, supposed dodgy chin aside for what other reason would he be outclassed by any of the top guys?
Some people talk as if he's a no hoper about to get brutalised when he's up against one of the big boys, but let's be honest, suppose his chin is tougher than we think, and he can stand up to the punchers of the best 135 lb fighters.
The question then in my mind is how would they be able to beat him?
He's faster and slicker than all of them. He's a decade and a half younger than most of them, and he's getting better and better whilst they all decline.
If he shoots for a title shot in the next 12 months he may well lose but I wouldn't put money on Casamayor, Campbell, either Diaz or even Pacquaio beating him any later than the end of 2009.
He's going to be a world star.
I don't think I'm being fickle over Khan. We've all been waiting to see what happens when he gets hit by somebody who can punch and we saw a superfeather knock him down with a punch that left him wobbling for over a minute afterwards. If he gets in the ring with any legitimate lightweight title holder he's going to take a lot of harder punches than he's faced up to now. Granted he'll be giving plenty back out but he's not going to be facing Gomez-level reactions or defence when he does. I think he's nuts if he thinks he's ready for a top lightweight.
That's the thing ICE, i saw the danger in this fight as soon as it was announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I was laughed at on here for saying it was a danger fight. I was surprised Warren would put Kahn in with Gomez. He was always on a hiding to nothing.
I suppose it all depends on how you view Kahn at this stage of his development. He's not ready for world level yet. I'm still not sure about his chin. Think Saturday was more of a balance issue.
He looks vulnerable at times aswell but i still feel he has boundless potential. I think if Warren holds back with him for a few years we will have a special fighter.
He needs to stop with the world title talk tho. It's irritating.
;D Behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoThat's the thing ICE, i saw the danger in this fight as soon as it was announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I was laughed at on here for saying it was a danger fight. I was surprised Warren would put Kahn in with Gomez. He was always on a hiding to nothing.
I suppose it all depends on how you view Kahn at this stage of his development. He's not ready for world level yet. I'm still not sure about his chin. Think Saturday was more of a balance issue.
He looks vulnerable at times aswell but i still feel he has boundless potential. I think if Warren holds back with him for a few years we will have a special fighter.
He needs to stop with the world title talk tho. It's irritating.
Khan SHOULD NOT have had any trouble, at this stage, with a past his best three round fighter like Gomez.
Unfortunately, considering Khan's ultra fragile punch resistance, he isn't learning fast enough to stop the inevitable KO loss coming his way.
Khan will learn alot from this fight alltho Gomez isnt world class,he has a different style of fighting that Khan has never been in with a pressure fighter thats wants to bully you into the ropes. I dont think he was hurt badly by the head shot that had him down he was of balance abit aswell.He was very badly hurt by the body shot if he got hit there again in the same round i think it would of been over.He showed he has a great heart and speed that is dazling but on the negative side his chin is suspect and he lacks experience in decent opposition he isnt ready for world level yet like he says he is.
And you accused me of buying into the nonsense when i said Gomez would be a dangerous opponent. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster;D Behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoThat's the thing ICE, i saw the danger in this fight as soon as it was announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I was laughed at on here for saying it was a danger fight. I was surprised Warren would put Kahn in with Gomez. He was always on a hiding to nothing.
I suppose it all depends on how you view Kahn at this stage of his development. He's not ready for world level yet. I'm still not sure about his chin. Think Saturday was more of a balance issue.
He looks vulnerable at times aswell but i still feel he has boundless potential. I think if Warren holds back with him for a few years we will have a special fighter.
He needs to stop with the world title talk tho. It's irritating.
Khan SHOULD NOT have had any trouble, at this stage, with a past his best three round fighter like Gomez.
Unfortunately, considering Khan's ultra fragile punch resistance, he isn't learning fast enough to stop the inevitable KO loss coming his way.
I think he'll end up on his arse quite a lot throghout his career. Well he has already.
His vulnerability worries me, because he should be able to deal with guys like Gomez quite easily.
He has a lot to learn. But he'll still be a world champion.
What? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by onoAnd you accused me of buying into the nonsense when i said Gomez would be a dangerous opponent. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster;D Behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Khan SHOULD NOT have had any trouble, at this stage, with a past his best three round fighter like Gomez.
Unfortunately, considering Khan's ultra fragile punch resistance, he isn't learning fast enough to stop the inevitable KO loss coming his way.
I think he'll end up on his arse quite a lot throghout his career. Well he has already.
His vulnerability worries me, because he should be able to deal with guys like Gomez quite easily.
He has a lot to learn. But he'll still be a world champion.
You think the fragile one should be able to deal with Gomez easily but also thought Gomez was a tough test beforehand? ;D
I love your antagonism Fenster :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWhat? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by onoAnd you accused me of buying into the nonsense when i said Gomez would be a dangerous opponent. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think he'll end up on his arse quite a lot throghout his career. Well he has already.
His vulnerability worries me, because he should be able to deal with guys like Gomez quite easily.
He has a lot to learn. But he'll still be a world champion.
You think the fragile one should be able to deal with Gomez easily but also thought Gomez was a tough test beforehand? ;D
I've always thought he comes unglued too easily, gets too sloppy. To be fair I haven't seen him as much as most of you.
By the way was the ref letting Khan push Gomez off of him like that the whole fight :confused: Must have done it six times in the fifth round alone and not a single warning, absolutely hilarious reffing.
What? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI love your antagonism Fenster :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWhat? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
You think the fragile one should be able to deal with Gomez easily but also thought Gomez was a tough test beforehand? ;D
I'm not so bad, surely. I can argue my opinion that's all. And always in a freindly way. Although I guess my text can sometimes read a bit blunt. :-\
Well an in all he should be able to dispose of fighters of Gomez's ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWhat? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by onoAnd you accused me of buying into the nonsense when i said Gomez would be a dangerous opponent. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think he'll end up on his arse quite a lot throghout his career. Well he has already.
His vulnerability worries me, because he should be able to deal with guys like Gomez quite easily.
He has a lot to learn. But he'll still be a world champion.
You think the fragile one should be able to deal with Gomez easily but also thought Gomez was a tough test beforehand? ;D
Which he did....in the end.
I didn't think it was a necessarily tough test, just a dangerous hiding to nothing. ;D
Jesus we keep grinning at eachother like maniacs....Quote:
Originally Posted by onoWell an in all he should be able to dispose of fighters of Gomez's ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWhat? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
You think the fragile one should be able to deal with Gomez easily but also thought Gomez was a tough test beforehand? ;D
Which he did....in the end.
I didn't think it was a necessarily tough test, just a dangerous hiding to nothing. ;D
;D
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