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Sven Ottke the greatest!!
Sven Ottke is easily the best super middle weight of all time and should be up there with the all time greats.
His record speaks for itself he repeatidly beat the top contenders with ease and was avoided by Joe Calzaghe for years as the Welshman feared losing his belts.
He also held the IBF and WBA belts while Calzaghe was playing around with the less favoured WBO belt.
If Ottke really does come out of retirement i hope he fights Calzaghe because i think he would still have the tools to beat him, in fact probably TKO him.
He held the IBF world title for 6 years defending it 20 times and his record speaks for itself with fighters like Glenn Johnson (another person who Calzaghe avoided) Anthony Mundine, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, Robin Reid, Mads Laursen, David Starie and Rick Thornberry.
It cannot be denied!
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
He was handed so many gift decisions.
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
All fighters have to have some luck, he had no more gifted decisions then Calzaghe had over Robin Reid or Bernard Hopkins
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
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WAW
All fighters have to have some luck, he had no more gifted decisions then Calzaghe had over Robin Reid or Bernard Hopkins
WTF ? It seems your up Ottke's ass big time, not only did he avoid Calzaghe but he should have 3/4 losses on his resume and he stayed in Germany the whole time to make sure he wouldn't lose his '0'. Controversial or not Calzaghe/Hopkins, at least Calzaghe went to the US to fight him. If you fought Sven Ottke you simply had to knock him out to get a draw.
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
Not all his fights were in Germany he fought in Austria once too, because he chose not to use his power much, which its clear he had from the Mundine fight, he would accumulate his punches to win rounds. I cant see any fights where i see he clearly lost but was gifted a decision. All fighters have close fights now and again, i dont see where you get the figure of 3 or 4 fights he shouldve lost.
He often had to fight through things like people cheating like Robin Reid hitting him with low blows and rabbit punches. He should have been disqualified!
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
There's a big difference between opinion,..... and bullshit.
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Fuck me. I meant to negative rep this cat and I cool clicked him with my massive helper punch. :(
Windups aren't around for long though :D
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His record speaks for itself, calling it bullshit when its quite clearly there makes your comment quite..... bullshit
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boozeboxer
Fuck me. I meant to negative rep this cat and I cool clicked him with my massive helper punch. :(
Windups aren't around for long though :D
Thanks for the support! Whos winding up, im just trying to show you 'boxing fans' that youre severly under rating a true great!
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
WAW are you from Germany?
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Yes, lots of fighters choose not to throw their power punch and throw powder puff punches instead. And Robin Reid should have been disqualified for fighting, or at least attempting to start a fight. Luckily the referee prevented that from happening.
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When do you people learn just not to respond to jokers like that...probably a long time member having some fun...:rolleyes:
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boozeboxer
WAW are you from Germany?
I really hope not...
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
I really don't mind the occasional wind up artist. We could get a 19 page thread on this and then Saddo would then ban him.
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boozeboxer
I really don't mind the occasional wind up artist. We could get a 19 page thread on this and then Saddo would then ban him.
I remember one of these people turned up after the first Samuel Peters-James Toney fight...called himself Werewolf and brought alot of hate towards Toney,but nothing else...The guy was gone a few days later...;)
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boozeboxer
I really don't mind the occasional wind up artist. We could get a 19 page thread on this and then Saddo would then ban him.
Wind up, ive posted my boxing thouhgt in a boxing forum, nobody has managed to give a good account otherwise so wheres this wind up?
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boozeboxer
WAW are you from Germany?
Yes, is that relevant?
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WAW
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boozeboxer
WAW are you from Germany?
Yes, is that relevant?
Ja ist es...wenn du aus Deutschland kommst und so einen Bloedsinn postest ist das mir ganz schoen unangenehm...
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
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JohnnyKickAss
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WAW
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boozeboxer
WAW are you from Germany?
Yes, is that relevant?
Ja ist es...wenn du aus Deutschland kommst und so einen Bloedsinn postest ist das mir ganz schoen unangenehm...
Rather than calling something nonsense why not tell me why its wrong! I believe i have an answer for any reason you have!
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WAW
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JohnnyKickAss
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WAW
Yes, is that relevant?
Ja ist es...wenn du aus Deutschland kommst und so einen Bloedsinn postest ist das mir ganz schoen unangenehm...
Rather than calling something nonsense why not tell me why its wrong! I believe i have an answer for any reason you have!
Okay...who did Ottke beat to make him the greatest...an unexperienced Mundine(BTW even at his peek Mundine isn't really that good),a washed up Brewer or the numerous gifted decisions like Johnson or Reid...be realistic when Ottke went good conditioned into a fight he was a good boxer hell even a world champ,but nothing more...to say he was the greatest is just ridiculous...BTW I don't buy it that you are from Germany...
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JohnnyKickAss
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WAW
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JohnnyKickAss
Ja ist es...wenn du aus Deutschland kommst und so einen Bloedsinn postest ist das mir ganz schoen unangenehm...
Rather than calling something nonsense why not tell me why its wrong! I believe i have an answer for any reason you have!
Okay...who did Ottke beat to make him the greatest...an unexperienced Mundine(BTW even at his peek Mundine isn't really that good),a washed up Brewer or the numerous gifted decisions like Johnson or Reid...be realistic when Ottke went good conditioned into a fight he was a good boxer hell even a world champ,but nothing more...to say he was the greatest is just ridiculous...BTW I don't buy it that you are from Germany...
The Robin Reid fight wasnt a gift, Reid started well and just simply faded into near enough non existance, as for Glen Johnson that was a close fight Ottke caught him with enough to take the rounds and the judges caught that. If Anthony Mundine wasn't highly regarded he never would have got the fight in the first place. Charles Brewer was not over the hill he had competitive fights with good fighters after the two fights, and it was only Ottkes 12 professional fight so like Mundine pretty inexperienced
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
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Originally Posted by
WAW
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by
WAW
Rather than calling something nonsense why not tell me why its wrong! I believe i have an answer for any reason you have!
Okay...who did Ottke beat to make him the greatest...an unexperienced Mundine(BTW even at his peek Mundine isn't really that good),a washed up Brewer or the numerous gifted decisions like Johnson or Reid...be realistic when Ottke went good conditioned into a fight he was a good boxer hell even a world champ,but nothing more...to say he was the greatest is just ridiculous...BTW I don't buy it that you are from Germany...
The Robin Reid fight wasnt a gift, Reid started well and just simply faded into near enough non existance, as for Glen Johnson that was a close fight Ottke caught him with enough to take the rounds and the judges caught that. If Anthony Mundine wasn't highly regarded he never would have got the fight in the first place. Charles Brewer was not over the hill he had competitive fights with good fighters after the two fights, and it was only Ottkes 12 professional fight so like Mundine pretty inexperienced
Ottke was a very good defensive fighter, very under rated. As for the Reid fight though that was a joke, Reid dropped him and hurt him and every time the ref would find something to give out to Reid for, he warned him for landing a hook! Reid would have ko'd him had it been a fair ref!
what was your take on the ref out of intrest?
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
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Originally Posted by
WAW
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by
WAW
Rather than calling something nonsense why not tell me why its wrong! I believe i have an answer for any reason you have!
Okay...who did Ottke beat to make him the greatest...an unexperienced Mundine(BTW even at his peek Mundine isn't really that good),a washed up Brewer or the numerous gifted decisions like Johnson or Reid...be realistic when Ottke went good conditioned into a fight he was a good boxer hell even a world champ,but nothing more...to say he was the greatest is just ridiculous...BTW I don't buy it that you are from Germany...
The Robin Reid fight wasnt a gift, Reid started well and just simply faded into near enough non existance, as for Glen Johnson that was a close fight Ottke caught him with enough to take the rounds and the judges caught that. If Anthony Mundine wasn't highly regarded he never would have got the fight in the first place. Charles Brewer was not over the hill he had competitive fights with good fighters after the two fights, and it was only Ottkes 12 professional fight so like Mundine pretty inexperienced
Of course you would say this and even if it were true you can't be serious about the greatest stuff...The four names above were the best names out of Ottkes record and besides Johnson they are pretty average...BTW if you are really from Germany and such an Ottke fan you definitely would have picked up all the talk and preparation of Ottke and Michalczewski fighting each other and you would have known that this would have been more an exhibition than a real fight if it actually would have happened...to wish for Ottke to come out of retirement and fight Calzaghe and win is just delusional...Du bist ein Witzbold und ih kann dich nicht ernst nehmen nach solchen Aussagen...deshalb Adios...
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Phil
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WAW
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JohnnyKickAss
Okay...who did Ottke beat to make him the greatest...an unexperienced Mundine(BTW even at his peek Mundine isn't really that good),a washed up Brewer or the numerous gifted decisions like Johnson or Reid...be realistic when Ottke went good conditioned into a fight he was a good boxer hell even a world champ,but nothing more...to say he was the greatest is just ridiculous...BTW I don't buy it that you are from Germany...
The Robin Reid fight wasnt a gift, Reid started well and just simply faded into near enough non existance, as for Glen Johnson that was a close fight Ottke caught him with enough to take the rounds and the judges caught that. If Anthony Mundine wasn't highly regarded he never would have got the fight in the first place. Charles Brewer was not over the hill he had competitive fights with good fighters after the two fights, and it was only Ottkes 12 professional fight so like Mundine pretty inexperienced
Ottke was a very good defensive fighter, very under rated. As for the Reid fight though that was a joke, Reid dropped him and hurt him and every time the ref would find something to give out to Reid for, he warned him for landing a hook! Reid would have ko'd him had it been a fair ref!
what was your take on the ref out of intrest?
I thought he made some worng decisions he was bit home sided but there were other things that he got correct like Reid hitting low, he was hitting below the navel which in the rule of the sport is deemed a foul. I don't like to see people cheated like Aurichs team tried doing to the English HW a while back.
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
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JohnnyKickAss
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WAW
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JohnnyKickAss
Okay...who did Ottke beat to make him the greatest...an unexperienced Mundine(BTW even at his peek Mundine isn't really that good),a washed up Brewer or the numerous gifted decisions like Johnson or Reid...be realistic when Ottke went good conditioned into a fight he was a good boxer hell even a world champ,but nothing more...to say he was the greatest is just ridiculous...BTW I don't buy it that you are from Germany...
The Robin Reid fight wasnt a gift, Reid started well and just simply faded into near enough non existance, as for Glen Johnson that was a close fight Ottke caught him with enough to take the rounds and the judges caught that. If Anthony Mundine wasn't highly regarded he never would have got the fight in the first place. Charles Brewer was not over the hill he had competitive fights with good fighters after the two fights, and it was only Ottkes 12 professional fight so like Mundine pretty inexperienced
Of course you would say this and even if it were true you can't be serious about the greatest stuff...The four names above were the best names out of Ottkes record and besides Johnson they are pretty average...BTW if you are really from Germany and such an Ottke fan you definitely would have picked up all the talk and preparation of Ottke and Michalczewski fighting each other and you would have known that this would have been more an exhibition than a real fight if it actually would have happened...to wish for Ottke to come out of retirement and fight Calzaghe and win is just delusional...Du bist ein Witzbold und ih kann dich nicht ernst nehmen nach solchen Aussagen...deshalb Adios...
I know all about Ottke v Michalczewski but it does not look like this will happen. The only reason Sven Ottke wants to fight again is because he has just split from his wife and needs the money
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
Must not be the greatest arbitrator.
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
I actually think Ottke was a pretty good fighter. To me he's actually some what underrated. i think he's gotten a bad rap as of late. I seen a lot of him recently. I been studying his fights. And he's been in a lot of close fights. But in all those fights i can make a case for him winning. So I don't call them gifts. Ottke had a fantastic jab. But what I liked the most about him was his fight schedule. He fought often. At least 4 times a year. Champions today fight like twice and that's it.
With that being said Ottke is nowhere near the greatest. Come on now.
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
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Violent Demise
I actually think Ottke was a pretty good fighter. To me he's actually some what underrated. i think he's gotten a bad rap as of late. I seen a lot of him recently. I been studying his fights. And he's been in a lot of close fights. But in all those fights i can make a case for him winning. So I don't call them gifts. Ottke had a fantastic jab. But what I liked the most about him was his fight schedule. He fought often. At least 4 times a year. Champions today fight like twice and that's it.
With that being said Ottke is nowhere near the greatest. Come on now.
See...with this I can agree...
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
Johnny don't sweat it mate this guy aint german hence the non responce in german... es ist nicht so hart zu übersetzen german ;)
but i checked his ip and it is from a UK host blueyonder.co.uk so will leave this nonce for the regulars to play with for alittle bit before the ban ;)
as for Witzbolt I never knew it was spelt like that but makes sense really.. one of my fav words at the min ;)
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Saddo
Johnny don't sweat it mate this guy aint german hence the non responce in german... es ist nicht so hart zu übersetzen german ;)
but i checked his ip and it is from a UK host blueyonder.co.uk so will leave this nonce for the regulars to play with for alittle bit before the ban ;)
as for Witzbolt I never knew it was spelt like that but makes sense really.. one of my fav words at the min ;)
Im a German who lives in the uk, i find it bad that youre saying about banning me for having an opinion which doesnt break any of the site rules! Ive not been offensive to anyone or anything!
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WAW
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Saddo
Johnny don't sweat it mate this guy aint german hence the non responce in german... es ist nicht so hart zu übersetzen german ;)
but i checked his ip and it is from a UK host blueyonder.co.uk so will leave this nonce for the regulars to play with for alittle bit before the ban ;)
as for Witzbolt I never knew it was spelt like that but makes sense really.. one of my fav words at the min ;)
Im a German who lives in the uk, i find it bad that youre saying about banning me for having an opinion which doesnt break any of the site rules! Ive not been offensive to anyone or anything!
your mistaking me for someone who gives a shit ;)
clean your act up or your gone... and don't insult my intelligence ;)
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Babelfish tells me that a witzbolt is a joker. Sven as greatest of all time definitely qualifies as a joke. One thing you can say for him, he wasn't a pretend German like Klitschko or Abraham.
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it is witz is a joke and comish ((spelling))) is funny still learning this launguage ;)
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Kirkland Laing
Babelfish tells me that a witzbolt is a joker. Sven as greatest of all time definitely qualifies as a joke. One thing you can say for him, he wasn't a pretend German like Klitschko or Abraham.
Yeah...after Abraham became champ he got pretty fast german nationality...But on the other hand if the polish national soccor team has a Brazilian player its okay...
BTW both Klitschkos are still and most probably will stay Ukranian...;)
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Saddo
it is witz is a joke and comish ((spelling))) is funny still learning this launguage ;)
HaHa...komisch=funny...
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JohnnyKickAss
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Kirkland Laing
Babelfish tells me that a witzbolt is a joker. Sven as greatest of all time definitely qualifies as a joke. One thing you can say for him, he wasn't a pretend German like Klitschko or Abraham.
Yeah...after Abraham became champ he got pretty fast german nationality...But on the other hand if the polish national soccor team has a Brazilian player its okay...
BTW both Klitschkos are still and most probably will stay Ukranian...;)
are you saying Abraham aint german ?
CBA to check boxrec :D
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Saddo
it is witz is a joke and comish ((spelling))) is funny still learning this launguage ;)
Don't forget to keep the verb at the end of the sentence putting. :)
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JohnnyKickAss
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Saddo
it is witz is a joke and comish ((spelling))) is funny still learning this launguage ;)
HaHa...komisch=funny...
hahaha i was way off on that one ;)
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Re: Sven Ottke the greatest!!
Funny thread but you still failed as a troll.
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Saddo
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
Babelfish tells me that a witzbolt is a joker. Sven as greatest of all time definitely qualifies as a joke. One thing you can say for him, he wasn't a pretend German like Klitschko or Abraham.
Yeah...after Abraham became champ he got pretty fast german nationality...But on the other hand if the polish national soccor team has a Brazilian player its okay...
BTW both Klitschkos are still and most probably will stay Ukranian...;)
are you saying Abraham aint german ?
CBA to check boxrec :D
Before his fight vs Ikeke he was Armenian some time after that it changed to German...
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Saddo
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WAW
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Saddo
Johnny don't sweat it mate this guy aint german hence the non responce in german... es ist nicht so hart zu übersetzen german ;)
but i checked his ip and it is from a UK host blueyonder.co.uk so will leave this nonce for the regulars to play with for alittle bit before the ban ;)
as for Witzbolt I never knew it was spelt like that but makes sense really.. one of my fav words at the min ;)
Im a German who lives in the uk, i find it bad that youre saying about banning me for having an opinion which doesnt break any of the site rules! Ive not been offensive to anyone or anything!
your mistaking me for someone who gives a shit ;)
clean your act up or your gone... and don't insult my intelligence ;)
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