I am a true Joe Calzaghe fan but am disgusted

Not because Joe and Enzo are talking like its 1998 and Roy Jones isnt shot to bits, not because Joe expressed that he would never fight Roy in his book.

But because of the way they are talking its all about money, hey Joe you made enough easy money after you fought Eubank in 97 up until Lacy in 05. And a lot of that money was mine! i was so glad when Joe stepped up and beat Lacy then Kessler then Hopkins.

There was one obvious fight left a fight we are all screaming for a fight that style wise would be an epic thats a Calzaghe v Pavlik swansong fight right? WRONG!

Joe and Enzo have this week done everything they can to play down Pavlik and what he has done, and get this Foxnews style have tried to spin that Roy Jones is still the legend he was late 90s.

Comon get real all boxing fans know there is only one fight and it isnt Roy Jones who is 5yrs past shot. Its disgraceful that Joe is cashing out after wasting 7yrs of his prime fighting WBO (Warren) madatories and faded ex champions.

I had hoped to see Joe in his last bout, but if indeed it is Jones and after the rhetoric that i have heard i would not pay to see that fight if it was 2mins down the road.

Joe and Enzo you are not kidding anybody by trying to tell us Roy Jones is anything but a shambolic shell, shame on you!

Yes I do agree a fight with Pavlik really would cement that legacy and god it would make me happy. I hope he can realize it. but that fight really is a risk for JC, a risk that he does need to take though. He can beat Pavlik though and thats the annoying thing about him not fighting him.

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Yes I do agree a fight with Pavlik really would cement that legacy and god it would make me happy. I hope he can realize it. but that fight really is a risk for JC, a risk that he does need to take though. He can beat Pavlik though and thats the annoying thing about him not fighting him.

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The only way to beat Calzaghe is to force him to move foward and start attacks. Joe loves guys that come to him and he also loves a tear up.

Taylor would be a tougher fight than Pavlik and hopefully Joe sees sence and fights Kelly istead of Jones, who was once great but is gone completely gone.

Lets hope he can fight him

Thank god for what was written in the thread. I thought it was going to say you were disgusted with him for leaving Warren after all this time.

Just like mayweather, people jump at the first chance to take a shot at calzaghe

Its funny how no one is willing to even wait and see what happens?

In his entire career, Pavlik has had one imprssive win, knocking taylor out in the first fight. Now don't get me wrong, i think calzaghe should fight him before he retires, i would be very very dissapointed if he doesn't.

But he hasn't retired yet. He stands to make an insane amount of money for fighting Roy jones Jr, a fight most would expect him to win.

Why risk blowing a huge pay day by fighting taking pavlik first and maybe not coming through with the win? Calzaghe isn't washed up, but he sure as hell isn't in his prime. So the natural is, Roy Jones, build up the Pavlik fight then retire.

The more people think they wont get the fight, the bigger it can be when it happens. Promoting 101.

No one seems to care Pavlik has a date set to fight Mora so fast though, that was done vry quick when there are fighters out there like AA, or a step up with Kessler on the cards.

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Originally Posted by Preme

Just like mayweather, people jump at the first chance to take a shot at calzaghe

Its funny how no one is willing to even wait and see what happens?

In his entire career, Pavlik has had one imprssive win, knocking taylor out in the first fight. Now don't get me wrong, i think calzaghe should fight him before he retires, i would be very very dissapointed if he doesn't.

But he hasn't retired yet. He stands to make an insane amount of money for fighting Roy jones Jr, a fight most would expect him to win.

Why risk blowing a huge pay day by fighting taking pavlik first and maybe not coming through with the win? Calzaghe isn't washed up, but he sure as hell isn't in his prime. So the natural is, Roy Jones, build up the Pavlik fight then retire.

The more people think they wont get the fight, the bigger it can be when it happens. Promoting 101.

No one seems to care Pavlik has a date set to fight Mora so fast though, that was done vry quick when there are fighters out there like AA, or a step up with Kessler on the cards.

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Easy tiger, i am and always will be a fan of Joe Calzaghe.

I have been to a dozen of his fights over the last decade. If Joe fights Jones then Kelly Pavlik great but if Jones is his last fight i would be gutted. Like i said there is only one fight for Joes legacy wise and its Pavlik, Roy Jones is utterly shot and will be 40yo when they meet.

Its all about the $$ which is a shame Joe made enough 97-05 fighting old fighters and mandatories although i put half the blame on Warren.

Joe is at the twilight of his career and he wants to make big money, he is the best super middle and is cashing in on his best victories against Lacy and Kessler. He says one last fight, but if he decisively beats RJJ, my bet is he will be tempted with one real last fight with Pavlik, if the money is right and it will be in the US. All Joe is saying to Pavlik and anyone else is - Show me the money!:cool:

If Jones rolls back the clock and he won't have to roll it far and beats Calzaghe Calzaghe will be shot to pieces by boxing fans and media.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Not because Joe and Enzo are talking like its 1998 and Roy Jones isnt shot to bits, not because Joe expressed that he would never fight Roy in his book.

But because of the way they are talking its all about money, hey Joe you made enough easy money after you fought Eubank in 97 up until Lacy in 05. And a lot of that money was mine! i was so glad when Joe stepped up and beat Lacy then Kessler then Hopkins.

There was one obvious fight left a fight we are all screaming for a fight that style wise would be an epic thats a Calzaghe v Pavlik swansong fight right? WRONG!

Joe and Enzo have this week done everything they can to play down Pavlik and what he has done, and get this Foxnews style have tried to spin that Roy Jones is still the legend he was late 90s.

Comon get real all boxing fans know there is only one fight and it isnt Roy Jones who is 5yrs past shot. Its disgraceful that Joe is cashing out after wasting 7yrs of his prime fighting WBO (Warren) madatories and faded ex champions.

I had hoped to see Joe in his last bout, but if indeed it is Jones and after the rhetoric that i have heard i would not pay to see that fight if it was 2mins down the road.

Joe and Enzo you are not kidding anybody by trying to tell us Roy Jones is anything but a shambolic shell, shame on you!

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Yeah but, whos been neg repping you?

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Originally Posted by Preme

In his entire career, Pavlik has had one imprssive win, knocking taylor out in the first fight. Now don't get me wrong, i think calzaghe should fight him before he retires, i would be very very dissapointed if he doesn't.

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I like Calzaghe, and I actually look forward to seeing him against Roy Jones. I don't mind him bowing out with that fight, hell I even remember writing a few times on this site that Roy Jones would be a good farewell fight. And I remember writing that already last year, after which I actually think Jones' stocks have risen.

But to say Pavlik only has had one impressive win is stupid. Both Taylor (2nd fight) and Miranda would be right up there among Calzaghe 5 best wins. Also, IMO, it would make a lot more sense if Enzo/Joe stopped using the 'deserving'-argument, and just stated that Pavlik is fighting two divisions below Joe, and therefore not a realistic opponent as this time.

Pac is right, who has been neg rep you:confused:

I think the most important thing to Joe is the '0' now

Only Marciano and Mayweather (;)) have achived that when retiring (am referring to true world class fighters here)

Who wouldn't want to go down in history and be mentioned alongside Marciano ?

I have said it before in another post, Jones = more money less risk

Pavlik is young, strong and hungry and won't pay as much and is very very risky !

Joe is having ONE more fight - not one of you in Joe's position would opt for Pavlik and you know it.

Another way of looking at it,a 43 year old Hopkins had Joe down , and if he hadnt run out of gas would have gotten more then a split decision loss.
Jones is the safer money fight then Pavlik. Jones is still bankable, and is alot safer then Pavlik at this point.
I dont respect the fact that Joe's been saying for years he no longer had any intrest in fighting Jones, and now he's fighting him, but I understand the logic.
Im not watching it though.

I'm not a particularly big Calzaghe fan but even I think it's harsh, that despite beating Kessler, Lacy and Hopkins people still feel he's got something to prove in order to 'cement his legacy'

Yes, some of the fights in the interim weren't exactly top drawer but if a Mid 30s Joe can beat Lacy and Kessler then surely a prime Joe would of done the same?

Hopkins is a different matter, but I'm prepared to give Joe the benefit of the doubt. Mainly because I don't think Hopkins would of fought any different and simply because of the condition Hopkins was in.

As a final fight, the RJJ has much more of a ring (and indeed poetry) to it.

Joes nothing left to prove..and I've always said, if you're not happy with it, don't buy the PPV/Tickets. Easy.

This fight will suprise a lot of people, this will be easy for Joe.

I dont see what the hell the big deal is:confused: I am getting tired of this Calzaghe vs Pavlik matchup..

Pavlik should try to make a fight with Arthur Abraham at Middle for all the marbles.. That is the fight that needs to be made...

Calzaghe is the Lineal LightHeavy of the world... Roy Jones is a LightHeavyweight... Whats the Fukin problem here:confused:

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I dont see what the hell the big deal is:confused: I am getting tired of this Calzaghe vs Pavlik matchup..

Pavlik should try to make a fight with Arthur Abraham at Middle for all the marbles.. That is the fight that needs to be made...

Calzaghe is the Lineal LightHeavy of the world... Roy Jones is a LightHeavyweight... Whats the Fukin problem here:confused:

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people are naturally enquisitive as to whether calzaghe-pavlik would ever be a possibility.

Id imagine team calzaghe have talked it over at length and came to the conclusion that even meeting kelly half way in terms of the weight limit just isnt feasible for a guy who is now 36 going on 37.

Calzaghe earns more dough for fighting RJJ, gets to fight it at his weight limit against a far more established fighter....and if we are all being honest with ourselves here against a 38/39 year old RJJ it probably means a much easier nights work for calzaghe.

Anyone that criticises joe/enzo for taking this over pavlik is just plain ignorant.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I dont see what the hell the big deal is:confused: I am getting tired of this Calzaghe vs Pavlik matchup..

Pavlik should try to make a fight with Arthur Abraham at Middle for all the marbles.. That is the fight that needs to be made...

Calzaghe is the Lineal LightHeavy of the world... Roy Jones is a LightHeavyweight... Whats the Fukin problem here:confused:

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Myself. Well said.

Totally agree. I think Pavlik Abraham needs to happen after Abraham Marquez is done.

Calzaghe needs to fight Jones.

It's a good match up...no matter what anyone says...Jones aint the done deal that I wanted him to be. I was mortified of seeing him back in the ring due to the fact that the losses he suffered were just so devastating & shocking & brutal that I never wanted to see him take another hit like that...but he's surprised me & he's looked pretty sharpish since his last bout with Tarver.

Jones is still a factor & he's worked his way back into the ratings.

That being said...past, present, & future...Jones is a HOF'er & that's that.

Git 'im Joe!!! ;D

" Not because Joe and Enzo are talking like its 1998".......hillarious bro !!! (I haven't read the rest yet, but funny weather i wind up agree'in with ya or not.)

Anyone that has seen Roys 3 comeback fights knows he has little to zero chance. A Pavlik fight at 168 was already agreed by Wareen and Arum but Joe wants the money.

Its poor Calzaghe fans that are left with him fighting Roy Jones mk 08 in his final bout it leaves a real bitter taste.

Lets hope Joe sees sence and after walking through this shell fights Pavlik in the last hurragh.

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Originally Posted by Mar

" Not because Joe and Enzo are talking like its 1998".......hillarious bro !!! (I haven't read the rest yet, but funny weather i wind up agree'in with ya or not.)

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Enzo Calzaghe yesterday:

"That's why we took him [Jones]," Joe's dad added. "We wanted people to believe that Joe is not after dead squid. Without question it is the harder fight. But Joe said he wants to go out in flying colours. The best beats the best. He's got a right to that claim. He deserves it. Hypothetically, if the s**t hits the fan it happened with an all-time great."


Joe Calzaghe in Feb:

''Although he is still active, I would never want to fight now. He's not the same fighter and I'd nothing to gain by beating a shadow of what he once was. Jones was a great fighter in his day and a great name, but he's been knocked out twice, knocked out cold. What would I have to gain kO'ing him ?"


First Enzo it is not a harder fight and Jones hasnt been or beaten the best in nearly 6yrs.

As for what Joe said im really upset by it all the time and money i wasted during his WBO days for it to end with Jones.