Fighters you root against, and why (state your case)

Was just reading a thread where a poor newbie got ganged up on for making fun of a few fighters. Kind of felt sorry for him, and I hope he keeps coming back. It’s our nature to disagree about boxers and boxing in general, and you shouldn’t get pummeled for it.

What prompted me to start this thread was the argument over Nikolay Valuev. I saw some compelling arguments on both sides, and I just couldn’t resist. But I think we should all be able to state our opinions freely and without fear of ridicule or abuse (as long as we don’t offend anyone). So I thought this would be a fun thread. Let me kick it off by stating my case against Valuev:

Nikolay may very well be able to beat 95 or 99% of the heavyweights out there today. But I don’t like watching him, and I’ll root against him at every fight. Why? Well, he may be a nice guy and all that, but there’s a couple of reasons why he’s so dominant and none have to do with his ability:

1. He’s HUGE.

C’mon, if I stood 7 feet tall and outweighed all my opponents by over 100 pounds, I’d be pretty dominant, too. Why is this guy even a heavyweight? There should be another division for him. “Heavyweight” should not be an open-ended division. As I’ve said before, how competitive would a Pacquiao be against a Pavlik?

2. The HW division is not that good.

Some would like to argue that it is. But face it, it’s just wishful thinking. Most of us long for the days when the Alis, Tysons, and Lewises ruled the division. But right now, that’s just not the case. So being able to beat 99% of a mediocre division? Kind of like being the best player on a last place team.

Finally:

Although this next statement will no doubt bother die-hard Valuev fans, I gotta say it: The man has limited skills. I’ve seen some of his fights. He should be able to do so much more with that size. In a way, I’m glad he’s not that good. If he was halfway decent, he would have cleaned up the HW division by now… including Wlad. And then it’d be boring, watching the next sacrificial lamb thrown in against someone twice his size.

So…. what fighter do you root against, and why?

Zab Judah: Cos of his shit talk, his antics after the Tszyu fight, and the fact he keeps getting to fight the big names even tho he hasnt had a good win in years.

As you guys probably know i really hate Joe Calzaghe ,
alot of it stems from his early interviews were he constantly used to say

" They just cant take my power "
then rather funnily many did take his power and go 12 rounds :)

he was a cocky twat and its his whole persona , i wouldnt root for Calzaghe againest anyone.

He is a good fighter for sure , i just dont like him.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

As you guys probably know i really hate Joe Calzaghe ,
alot of it stems from his early interviews were he constantly used to say

" They just cant take my power "
then rather funnily many did take his power and go 12 rounds :)

he was a cocky twat and its his whole persona , i wouldnt root for Calzaghe againest anyone.

He is a good fighter for sure , i just dont like him.

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lol havent met too many brits who hate JC

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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You dont like Carl Froch ??
HOW DARE YOU VD. how can you hate him , i mean hes going to fight a world class fighter within the next 7 years lol;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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You dont like Carl Froch ??
HOW DARE YOU VD. how can you hate him , i mean hes going to fight a world class fighter within the next 7 years lol;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

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LOL. He'll be boxings first 40 year old prospect

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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You dont like Carl Froch ??
HOW DARE YOU VD. how can you hate him , i mean hes going to fight a world class fighter within the next 7 years lol;D;D;D;D;D;D;D

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LOL. He'll be boxings first 40 year old prospect

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HAHA. Come on guys Robin Reid is an ATG and he beat him right? Right?

Glenn Johnson, whinging cunt who can never be on the wrong end of a close decision, it happens Glenn, get over it.

Edison Miranda and Ricardo Mayorga. Too much lip and get whacked out at the top end.

Carl Froch. Talks like he's a world beater, we still dont know if he is or not.

Im sure I'll think of more.

Miguel Cotto, just because everybody else practically worships him. The fact that he is Puerto Rican doesn't help. ;D

I always root against Mayweather. Now, I am not a hater. I see with my own eyes the amazing skill he has. But there is something about him as a boxer that I suspect is lacking and I think it is his chin. For years I suspected that of Roy Jones ever since Lou del Valle dropped him, but Roy's defense was so good that none was able to test his chin until Tarver and Johnson came along. I think it's the same with Mayweather. No one will be able to test his chin as long as he keeps fighting the Gatti's the Baldomirs the fading de la Hoyas, who doesn't commit to his punches as he used to.

Ricky Hatton; HATE HIM.

Zahir Raheem- boring as fuck, his fights consist of twelve rounds of hugging and falling down. Also was ridiculously overrated after the Morales fight. I don't really remember anybody agreeing with me back then when I said that Pac would beat him, he was really overrated. Mostly its just that he's boring.

Daniel Ponce de Leon- I am now a huge Juan Manuel Marquez fan. I can't stand plodding one punch at a time guys who rely pretty much solely on power.

Rocky Juarez- See reason I don't like Ponce

Sam Peter- See reason I don't like Ponce and Rocky Juarez.

I could go on a few more, but that's good enough. The main thing is I simply don't like boring fighters, I care much less about what kind of person they are outside the ring (not that you can tell what's real and what's an act anyway). If you're obnoxious and get on my nerves outside the ring that doesn't help but its not the be all, end all.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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I am no Sherlock Holmes, but I see a pattern emerging here!!

There's very few fighters I constantly root against, or for. I usually root for a fighter based on the potential matchup a win for that fighter may make. If it weren't for the potential Pavlik-Abraham match, I would've rooted for Miranda last weekend, but a win for Abraham helps the chances of a Pavlik-Abraham fight.

Whom I do root against is Nicolay Valuev. I want to see a small heavyweight knock him out. I want to see Valuev fall down to the canvas hard. It would be a sight to see such a big man crumble. Sort of like Mike White.

I root against Joe Calzaghe as I just don't like him.

I'll root against Vitali Klitschko if he ever makes it to the prize ring again, just so I can troll on other message boards and make his delusional fans mad.

I used to always root against Antonio Tarver, but I don't really care anymore. What annoyed me was his overrated performance in the first Roy Jones fight and how he cried about being robbed, when if anything, he robbed himself by being too inactive and staring at Roy in the middle of the ring for large stretches of the fight, worried about Roy's countering (and especially his bodywork).

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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I am no Sherlock Holmes, but I see a pattern emerging here!!

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Haha! I noticed that too.

Lucian Bute - raved on by many as some super middle powerhouse, but in my opinion is protected and has not proven jack shit.

Sakio Bika - Maybe it is just me, but I would rather watch paint dry than watching him maul his way through a fight.

Sam Peter - Belongs in the barrel weight division. Him being a champion is an embarrassment to the sport.

1. Carl Froch - is def top of my list, he is arrogant and cocky and mouths off about being the best but hasn't fought anyone of any note, Brian Magee is really poor but he struggled with him, Robin Reid looked absolutely terrible and it still took him a while to get him out of there, he is reasonably talented and throws decent shots from awkward angles but I just don't like him, every time he steps in the ring whoever he is fighting I want to see him lose.

2. Nikolay Valuev - Again I hate seeing him win just because he is such a terrible boxer and athlete, if he beat Marciano's record it would have been a disgrace, for years he was no more than a unbeaten fighter who scrapped around to make a living, give him his dues he did improve over the last couple of years but just watching him makes me cringe, big hairy with slow shots but towering over his opponents. I would love to see Chagaev beat him again, I have nothing against him personally but seeing him win just reminds me how bad the heavyweight division is.

3. Sven Ottke - Retired I know, but there was talks of him making a return so felt justified in including him, the thing is with Sven is it is not his fault why I don't like him, in my opinion he lost a number of fights even if he was gifted the decisions and the wins took a lot away from the guys who deserved to beat him, the one that comes to mind the most is Mads Larsen, he was a good fighter but that loss took so much of his love for the sport he spend a long time away from the ring. I didn't like watching him fight either, really dull.

4. Joe Spina - I don't like the way he portrays himself he is very arrogant but neither him or his team will take a risk against a decent fighter, he lost badly to Manfredo and has since struggled against pretty basic guys, but somehow he has managed to hold his ranking and reputation. He need to step up or shut up.

5. Daniel Ponce De Leon - This is only more recently since he could knock anyone out with one punch, he has recently discovered this is not the case and he has a number of weaknesses himself he need to work on, think the guy has talent but is wasting it with his wild swings, more of a frustration thing that a hate thing though.

Antonio Margarito. Self-branded himself boxing's most feared fighter and sure, that one guy's ear practically being torn off was gruesome but what else? Seeing him smile while the other guy hesitantly punched him wasn't impressive to me. The guy has shit for defense and Paul Williams showed how scary he is. Joshua Clottey spanked him until injuring his hand. The only people who should be afraid of him are guys who have no hope of breaking through the top ten.

Manny Pacquiao - Cuz he is over rated and his fans are . . .

Kermit Cintron: Absolutely can't stand him. Guy is a quitter IMO. I know he's got skills and he hits like a mule; but the heart is not there. I'm not saying he's a coward, because it takes courage to get in the ring; but it takes more courage to stay in the ring when things don't go your way. Just cause' Margarito is the only one to beat him doesn't mean anything; he got exposed for the quitter he really is. Needs to watch some Vasquez/Marquez fights and see what he's lacking.

Tye Fields: Seems a nice guy, and just trying to be something; but he's a big retard who makes me cringe when he's in the ring. It's ridiculous. I just want someone to knock him out. The heavyweight division has turned into a circus sideshow and he's the clown.

Paulie Malinaggi: Very annoying; and his last outing with his Super Cuts moment was absurd. I just want someone to beat him so badly he retires{sorry guys}.

PBF, Witter, Klitchsko, Maccarinelli, Calzaghe, Taylor.

Although there are three fighters that you all know i dislike.....ruiz, tarver, and layla ali, i'd probably only actually root against ali. I generally don't get caught up in any individual fighter that i will root for or against them like or dislike i really don't want to see her win. There are many reasons but to make it short, layla comes into the sport when it was young and just starting out and yes the girl was bangin from the start. But right when the sport starts to pick up and other female fighters start to be developed all of the sudden ali is too good to fight. We all know the real reason is ann wolfe, who i wouldn't fuck or fight without a gun either but for as much shit as this girl talks.........she's almost tarver esqe in her statments. She will say all these women are not on her level then you bring up five that are and she now changes and says i'm too busy etc...the chick thinks she is way bigger than the sport itself. Instead of helping promote is she basically has the attitude that she is too good and the sport needs to catch up to her before she will grace our lives with another fight. She reminds me of the cat on kung fu hustle that was calling people out in the beggining of the movie till they actually accepted then he told them to go sit the fuck down. She feels because she beat christy martin who was so much smaller....there's no other comp. The girl wasn't even in her weight class.....instead of making boxing better she's made it worse, and female boxing isn't really all that sucessful to start with. I dislike the other two just as much but it doesn't bother me to see either of them win. I'm rambling i know, she was ali does to me....at least she's somewhat good looking (in a innocent way...case my wife reads this)

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

As you guys probably know i really hate Joe Calzaghe ,
alot of it stems from his early interviews were he constantly used to say

" They just cant take my power "
then rather funnily many did take his power and go 12 rounds :)

he was a cocky twat and its his whole persona , i wouldnt root for Calzaghe againest anyone.

He is a good fighter for sure , i just dont like him.

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I hate Calzaghe too homie.

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Originally Posted by GAME

Manny Pacquiao - Cuz he is over rated and his fans are . . .

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You're one of these...

http://www.worsleyschool.net/science...ggot/title.JPG


http://media.winknews.com/images/maggot_maggots.jpg
Just STFU and eat more shit.


;D

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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not liking our boys from this side of the pond are you lol.

Seems a lot of people rooting against my current favourite car froch, don't get me wrong I know he's no world beater and I know he has many flaws, but I like his boxing style.

For me i'd say recently it would have to be hopkins. Calzaghe's going from rooting for to rooting against, but then again thats a british thing all over isn't it, they get to the top then we turn on them and knock them back down, boxers, footballers, rock stars, politicians, we love to do that! Everyone loved amir khan after the olympics now look!

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Miguel Cotto, just because everybody else practically worships him

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This one is a bit difficult to explain. I like him (even if nobody believes me) but like you said, people seem to worship him around here and I get into debates all the time about him being invincible and all. So now, when I see him fight I wish he lost to just prove my point. I don't remember anybody even daring themselves to mention a weakness (and he shows many in EVERY fight). I really wanted him to face Floyd. That would be an interesting scenario for me because while I cross my fingers to see him spank Floyd silly and finally see someone beat him I also would want to see Cotto be dominated to prove my point and go "See? I told you guys he was too slow, bad defense, got cut since round one, punches rained all over him from all different angles, he couldn't even make Floyd sweat, etc." . If he was not as overrated and worshipped I would probably be rooting for him against Floyd all the way.

Antonio Margarito, same thing.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Just wanted someone to put him in his place and see how he would take the loss. I wanted the same thing for Naz and he took it quite well and gave MAB all the credit, no excuses. After that, I started liking Naz. Same thing for ODLH. I just wanted to see him loose before. After his first loss I started liking him.

Pac. It's not because I don't like him. He's a humble guy and is not known for talking trash. But I would like to see how all his fans would take a REAL loss. I say "real" because his fights against Marquez had some questionable desicions.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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;D never heard that one before. There's a real finesse gradually creeping into your abuse, I like it.

SAM PETER:- fat obese useless plonker. not his fault really, but it's kind of embarassing he might actually make it to the top of the game.

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Manny Pacquiao - Cuz he is over rated and his fans are . . .

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An overrated guy that beat Barrera and Morales twice? Think about it.

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Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe, A Mere Con, Carl Fraud, Andy Lee, John Duddy, Enzo Macc, Clinton Woods.

Fukk them all.

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Calzaghe still? LOLOLOLOL

Wladamir Klitschko - moves like a robot, shit chin, kinda boring.

Carl Froch - fights bums, thinks he deserves a fight with Calzaghe even though Calzaghe would destroy him.

Junior Witter - Cocky Bastard, shitty style, it was good to see him get owned by Bradley.

Anthony Mundine - Complete joke, thinks he's Roy jones, fights tomato cans and when steps up he gets beat and got ko'd by ottke.

Celesteno Caballero and Tye Fields.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

As you guys probably know i really hate Joe Calzaghe ,
alot of it stems from his early interviews were he constantly used to say

" They just cant take my power "
then rather funnily many did take his power and go 12 rounds :)

he was a cocky twat and its his whole persona , i wouldnt root for Calzaghe againest anyone.

He is a good fighter for sure , i just dont like him.

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32 reps for you mate im very similar he was in the sky studio one night when Robin Reid and Steve Collins were fighting on a Naz bill.It could have been when Naz fought Johnson and he was their to comment on the Reid and Collins fights and rather than give his opinion on there fights and how they did he was just going on about if they fought him he would knock them out no respect at all.Then when he did fight Reid he nearly got beat in my opinion and many other peoples he did and he should have rematched Reid.I hate his slapping style and his pitter patter flurries he looks like a cat patting a ball about.Come Roy Jones put me out my misery and do a number on this DICK!!;);D

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Manny Pacquiao - Cuz he is over rated and his fans are . . .

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An overrated guy that beat Barrera and Morales twice? Think about it.

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and got knocked out twice by bums

Which top fighter gets knocked out in 3 rounds by Singursat ( sp ?) and Torrencampo . Think about it .

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Manny Pacquiao - Cuz he is over rated and his fans are . . .

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An overrated guy that beat Barrera and Morales twice? Think about it.

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and got knocked out twice by bums

Which top fighter gets knocked out in 3 rounds by Singursat ( sp ?) and Torrencampo . Think about it .

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You're dumb. I'd like to ignore you, but I can't. Cuz neg repping you is fun. :cool:

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An overrated guy that beat Barrera and Morales twice? Think about it.

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and got knocked out twice by bums

Which top fighter gets knocked out in 3 rounds by Singursat ( sp ?) and Torrencampo . Think about it .

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You're dumb. I'd like to ignore you, but I can't. Cuz neg repping you is fun. :cool:

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You seem to be under some false belief that rep actually means anything . Just cuz you bum boys hand it out to each other on a daily basis effectivley abusing the system , do you think anyone else cares ?

Anyway you cant ignore me cuz who else is gonna do bets with you on Pac fights ;D

Only -528 neg reps today from you today pacstraightleft ? Is that all u got ;D

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and got knocked out twice by bums

Which top fighter gets knocked out in 3 rounds by Singursat ( sp ?) and Torrencampo . Think about it .

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You're dumb. I'd like to ignore you, but I can't. Cuz neg repping you is fun. :cool:

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You seem to be under some false belief that rep actually means anything . Just cuz you bum boys hand it out to each other on a daily basis effectivley abusing the system , do you think anyone else cares ?

Anyway you cant ignore me cuz who else is gonna do bets with you on Pac fights ;D

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Dumb posters gets neg repped in this forum, FACT. And guess what?.. yer one of 'em. :p

Our bet is already settled. One of us MUST fulfill what we agreed on,.. either I ignore you or not.

God! You're really dumb.

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You're dumb. I'd like to ignore you, but I can't. Cuz neg repping you is fun. :cool:

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You seem to be under some false belief that rep actually means anything . Just cuz you bum boys hand it out to each other on a daily basis effectivley abusing the system , do you think anyone else cares ?

Anyway you cant ignore me cuz who else is gonna do bets with you on Pac fights ;D

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Dumb posters gets neg repped in this forum, FACT. And guess what?.. yer one of 'em. :p

Our bet is already settled. One of us MUST fulfill what we agreed on,.. either I ignore you or not.

God! You're really dumb.

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U sound upset . . :eek:Have i upset you . . . :-\ dont be angry . . . .:mad:

Ever wondered why after the thousands of neg reps youve given me , Ive never given any back ? Ive never given any to anybody cuz it means sweet FA . Dont you feel slightly pedantic when doing it or does it give you as much satisfaction as playing with yourself ? ;D

Jeff Lacy (not anymore but before his defeat to Calzaghe) - I knew him from the amateur days and was very certain that he at best was an international average fighter, but as so often he was promoted by an american promoter and matched against very dull competition - and then 95 procent of this board and american boxing public thought that he was the second coming of Tyson.

From day one I was as Royal agaist this extremly stupid "LacyMania" - and I also said that Kessler would become the new SMW-star - remember that this was way before Kessler was known and that common people had accepted that Lacy was nothing special - I was called stupid names and banned many times because I said that Lacy was overrated and a bum.

Today, I will never call a true fighter like Lacy a bum - he is a humble fine guy and I hope the very best for him in future.