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who gets a shot at it first.
Im guessing froch is naturally the organisations choice to take the title, But will it be handed over or will we get a vacated title match between him and somebody else??
Im quite sure a certain mikkel kessler will want to get his hands back on the belt??
According to boxing News today Jermain Taylor V Froch is the fight that the WBC want for their vacant title but Taylor may want to fight Lacy instead. I personally would like to see the Taylor v Froch fight for the title with the winner unifying against Kessler
Froch Taylor would be marvellous.
Has to be Froch - Taylor....If Jermaine ended up fighting lacy you'd have to ask how the hell did lacy get himself another title shot?
Atleast with Froch - Taylor; Taylor is a proven champ dispite some bad performances and Froch is a genuine Contender waiting for his first test.
Who wouldn't want to see that kind of fight?
read on the BBC that its Froch vs Taylor if Taylor ducks the fight Froch will be gifted the strap/token/paper belt.
I don't think that it meant Taylor would be fighting Lacy for the belt. I am of the understanding that it would be Froch fighting for the vacant title against whoever he is thrown against being the WBC no1, Its just that I think that Taylor wants a fight with someone who has been proven to be very beatable to welcome himself to the S/middle div after a few tough fights at middle, and fighting a dangerous unbeaten fighter like Froch may just remind him of Pavlik too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tins06
That said ive never known Taylor duck anyone before so he may well take the fight the majority of people want to see him take and fight Froch for a world title.
If Taylor is given the option of fighting Froch and instead chooses Lacy, I would be seriously worried about his confidence and belief in himself.
Well the WBC have given both camps until July the 25th to sort a deal out between themselves so the opportunity is certainly there and I cant see Froch arguing about money because he will see this as a massive stepping stone towards some giant paydays if he doesnt get paid massive for this as it would be exposure on US TV for him and if he performs well and the US public like him he has the potential to then be a major player in boxing for a few years. So I think that the ball will be well and truly in Taylors court.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Well , this is why ain't agree to see Calzaghe like one of the top P4P , I know that he want fight Jones Jr. to get a big Purse and then Retire Undefeated , that is if he win Jones jr. , something that i don't think so , but why he didn't stay to make a fight with Froch for demonstrate more that he is the best in that Div.......? He tried to avoid Froch or he just want to be Smart ? , This is my opinion guys , he is good , but to me now seems like somes boxers will going to do the same as Mayweather did ....................................:-\
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Originally Posted by Macho
In the last 18mths calzaghe has held the WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO 168lb titles by beating the other champions. I see where Calzaghe is coming from with regards to "There is always another guy to beat"
Honestly Froch would be easy money for Joe as he will be for Kessler, Taylor or Bute.
What better way to leave 168lbs after 11yrs of dominance beating a great young hungry 39-0 champion like Kessler?
I do want Calzaghe fight Pavlik though.
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Originally Posted by Macho
money.....thats why
Think markus has it spot on about the WBC offering taylor the froch fight and if not just awarding him the title.
Hope to god the fight does happen, hate to see fighters just handed titles. Its almost like youve won it on default
word has it, that Taylor will fight Lacy if Lacy wins his tune up in july. Otherwise he will fight frock for the vacant alphabet title.
Calzaghe should of fought Froch instead of Manfredo but its too late for Froch now, Calzaghe has bigger fish to fry and Froch doesn't bring that much to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Macho
In the last 18mths calzaghe has held the WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO 168lb titles by beating the other champions. I see where Calzaghe is coming from with regards to "There is always another guy to beat"
Honestly Froch would be easy money for Joe as he will be for Kessler, Taylor or Bute.
What better way to leave 168lbs after 11yrs of dominance beating a great young hungry 39-0 champion like Kessler?
I do want Calzaghe fight Pavlik though.
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Originally Posted by ICBCalzaghe should of fought Froch instead of Manfredo but its too late for Froch now, Calzaghe has bigger fish to fry and Froch doesn't bring that much to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Macho
In the last 18mths calzaghe has held the WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO 168lb titles by beating the other champions. I see where Calzaghe is coming from with regards to "There is always another guy to beat"
Honestly Froch would be easy money for Joe as he will be for Kessler, Taylor or Bute.
What better way to leave 168lbs after 11yrs of dominance beating a great young hungry 39-0 champion like Kessler?
I do want Calzaghe fight Pavlik though.
problem with froch is that he has blossomed a year or two to late to be fighting calzaghe.
Had he of been a world contender at 26/27 the fight would eventually of happened.
What carl has gotta be wary of now though is getting beat by someone. That`ll take 3-4 years to come back from and at 31 froch just doesnt have the time to be avenging losses.
Lacy is a much bigger name than Froch in the States obviously,so just more marketable.
What the hell has Froch done in the last 2 yrs to 'blossom' into a world contender? he's fought absolutley no one. In terms of the WBC, he's some how got up the rankings and it wasn't his fault the last guy bottled out so I suppose he deserves a shot at the title, but the guy who says Calzaghe is ducking him is smoking crack.Quote:
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Originally Posted by ICBCalzaghe should of fought Froch instead of Manfredo but its too late for Froch now, Calzaghe has bigger fish to fry and Froch doesn't bring that much to the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
problem with froch is that he has blossomed a year or two to late to be fighting calzaghe.
Had he of been a world contender at 26/27 the fight would eventually of happened.
What carl has gotta be wary of now though is getting beat by someone. That`ll take 3-4 years to come back from and at 31 froch just doesnt have the time to be avenging losses.
As for Taylor, I'd be seriously dissapointed if he opted to fight Lacy rather than Froch. Froch may be unproven, but Lacy HAS proven that he IS finished over the last 18 months, I seriously doubt he'd make a significant more money fighting Lacy so his reasons so far sound pretty lame, it's up to him and his camp to make up an offer to get Froch over to the US. If his camp can't produce a better offer than Froch's people, it should be prety obvious to Taylor where he actually stands in terms of pulling power at the moment, and he needs to get busy in the ring to turn that around, he doesn't hold all the cards anymore.
Hennessy tried to make the Froch fight prior to him opting for Evans Ashira.
He also tried before the magee fight was made and then Calzaghe opted to fight Veit for a second time instead of Magee.
Froch then offered to fly over, save the show and fight magee who turned him down.
If Froch aint fought nobody, it certainly ain't for want of trying.
But that's professional sports... it's all about the $$$$ .
Step forward Roy Jones... (here Roy, hold my arm, i know your legs arn't that steady anymore, there ya go fella, now let me get that rope for you - in you go - now, remember, wait for Joe to throw the double left jab and then counter him straight over with the right hand and step to his left and throw the uppercut.... what? ... oh sorry Roy, you didn't get that? ...here, put your hearing aid in... there you go brother)
Taylor definently needs a warmup before trying to give Frosh his 1st L. Lacy would be a good measuring stick for Taylor, not only to see where his confidence is but also to see how he moves and throws making new weight.
There is a very large gap in skill between Taylor and Froch IMO. Be glad if the Froch fight doesn't happen for you Froch fans.
That being said, I think Taylor will def. beat Lacy.......but I think right now it is going to be hard to look really good against Lacy....all things considered. So I would prefer the Froch fight.
Calzaghe is a Southpaw so how the hell does Calzaghe throw a double left jab ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Clanger
I think JT boxes his way to a UD.
Froch to me has embeded in his head that he's gonna spark everyone out.
I think he's gonna come into the fight with that in mind and he's gonna try hard for the KO.
Thing is JTs still a really good boxer as he showed vs. Pav the 2nd time around. I think Froch will be lost all night if JT can stay focused and use his skills (which clearly if you know both guys you know JTs that much more skilled then Froch) he will box his way to a UD.
I believe that is a fair assessment CUTMEMICK. Too many people act as tho Froch has earned this shot and has shown himself to be a world beater when in reality he hasnt even faced a top 30 fighter. Dont get me wrong he may prove everyone wrong and be a great champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
From what i've seen tho i dont believe he'll beat Taylor and in fact i dont think he even deserves a title shot yet. He makes excuses that nobody will fight him but i bet a lot of money he could have got fights with the likes of Soliman if he'd really tried. Sam may not be the best fighter in the world but he'd be ten times better than anyone Froch has faced.
Why? Lacy might be shot. But even a shot Lacy is still better than Fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Agreed, eagle.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleI believe that is a fair assessment CUTMEMICK. Too many people act as tho Froch has earned this shot and has shown himself to be a world beater when in reality he hasnt even faced a top 30 fighter. Dont get me wrong he may prove everyone wrong and be a great champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
From what i've seen tho i dont believe he'll beat Taylor and in fact i dont think he even deserves a title shot yet. He makes excuses that nobody will fight him but i bet a lot of money he could have got fights with the likes of Soliman if he'd really tried. Sam may not be the best fighter in the world but he'd be ten times better than anyone Froch has faced.
The most recognizable name on there is Reid who clearly just when in for the payday.
I don't like Froch personally, but in fairness Lacy has proven himself to be a spent force, the least Taylor could do is try and prove the same for Froch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseWhy? Lacy might be shot. But even a shot Lacy is still better than Fraud.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Taylor should fight Froch and expose him.
WBC have extended the deadline to facilitate this fight.
No reason that it shouldn't happen.
No Way! We dogged Joe C and he went out and beat Lacy, we dogged him and he went out and whipped Kessler, we dogged him and he beats Hopkins. Joe C has done plenty. He doesn't need to prove himself anymore to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macho
How come Lucian Bute is always laying low, you never hear about anyone wanting to fight him, or him calling anyone out? He needs to be in this convo.
BTW Joe didnt vacate the WBO sm title, he may come back if there is nothing good at lt heavy. I am really liking Joe and the moves he is making now he is away from Warren. Maybe it was all Warren's doing as far as the selection of fighters with the puppet strings. Seems like he is really going for it now. Good for Joe, better late than never.