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I never got why people always want to compare this guys. To me i think at Welterweight SRL would win and any weight above. But mostly also because of the differents in size of the two i mean SFW was PBFs weight and SRL weight was welter. If you look at the wins at the weight PBF does not even come close to SRL so i really do not get why people feel the need to comepare PBF to guys like Hearns and SRL sure i say they win but they also started at that weight just some thoughts on that.
Both American both flashy both fight at similar weights both fast both black both similar size both great fighters.
Thats why they are compared, but Ray Leonard early 80s eats Floyd for breakfast at 147lbs.
The comparisons that get me are every tall welterweight is the next Tommy Hearns.
Thanks for the reply but what i meant is liek i think when we should compare people PBF should be People Like Mosley, Duran and Oscar. Those guys were in prime in the SFW LW divsion those were PBF divisions think bit more fair to judge those fights then him with Benitiz , Hearns and Leonard if you gte what i mean might not be clear on what i am saying.
And i also get waht you mean about Hearns people were comparing PW to Hearns thats just sad if you ask me but people can have a opinion.
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No one has compared Floyd Mayweather Jr to Sugar Ray Leonard maybe Pernell Whitaker because there both defensive geniuses, but i haven't see anyone on this forum compare Mayweather to Leonard ever.
Yet again sorry if i was misleading i ment them fighting one another what i meant i do not think PBF should be based on how well he would do against the likes of Hearns and SRL if they fought at welterwiegth who would win i think Mosley or Oscar fighting at SFW or LW is better more relistic fights.
Im not sure what what your getting at personally. Floyd Mayweather Jr would have gave Sugar Ray Leonard fits, remember Mayweather's dad did win rounds off Leonard, im not saying Mayweather would win i think Leonard wins a close decision but it would a closely contested fight i know that for certain, and i think Hearns wins a UD as well. But Hearns is a bad style match up for anyone at Welterweight even the great Sugar Ray Robinson would have stylistic problems with Hearns, but if Hearns had stronger legs and a better chin he would have been unbeatable at Welterweight.Quote:
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When it comes to PBF and you talk fantasy fights i would think for PBf would be better gaged at his best weights and the weights he achived. So when i think PBF facing some one i am thinking the greats from the SFW and LW because he did his best work there and seem to be his best. Welter weight for me when i think PBf was a weight divsion he never really touched but time while tell does that make sense of still not making sense.
Floyd Mayweather Jr at Super Featherweight was unbeatable IMO.Quote:
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I think Oscar would of gave him a good run but do you understand what i mean i see alot of people make fights with PBF that really arent at his best weights for example. SRR, Tommy Hearns, Terry Norris, SRL just think 147 and up PBf seems to miss alot of the things that he had at lower weights thanks for your replys ice been while since i have heard them.
Yes i understand what you mean now the title was a little misleading but have some rep.Quote:
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I rep you back but i not sure how this works i really do miss the old system of just using cc and then using sc.
You see my name ICB ?? go right of that and you should see a little red rectangle box saying Rep Me, click on that and then choose how many points you want to give me, and you can leave a comment if you want as well.Quote:
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Yes but Floyd was a boy back then he was best 135-147lbs and some many say Hatton considering he was unbeaten and with a solid resume is Floyds best win.
I have a hard time with Hatton as the best win i doubt Hatton will even go in the HOF he is over raided a bit he rides on the one great win a bit much and 147 he just looked bad. Not saying PBF would not have kicked his ass at any weight would of but i think Hatton has been overrated alot by people because of that one win but thats just me.
I believe that Leonard would beat Floyd but I wouldnt say they are uncomparable because Floyd started off as a lower weight fighter. Remember who was the 1st person to beat Leonard! It was Duran who had just moved up from lightweight.
Most of the reason i belive for the reason that SRL lost to Duran was he decided to brawl if he would of boxed still feel he would of won taht fight.
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I think people compare fighters to other fighters of old like maybe even Hatton to Duran on style alone sometimes in and out of the ring; like
Floyd to SRL on style and being smart asses to the opponents, weights probably dont enter their minds.
Like Im sure most think like .. Ali at his best, fighting a top Floyd ;just on style, at any imaginary catch weight, so long as their game wasnt effected or their chin; skill ,heart and stamina and style only.
Duran also lost the 2nd fight because he was ill i looked at his training footage before the fight and he was as flat as a pancake, he certainly wasn't ready for the fight. And thats why he wanted to pull out but Don King wouldn't them because of the money involved or something like that.Quote:
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Great thing about classics like SRL-Duran is that both fighters always end up getting the same recognition for the classic regardless of who beat who.
Arguello-pryor, barrera-morales, castillo-corrales - I remember them fights for seeing 2 great fighters at a time puting on a spectacle for us fans and rarely go into the details of who actually won.
I genuinely cannot think of a single occasion ive seen floyd fight and either been intensely excited or under the impression he is unbeatable hence why i`ll always rate leonard higher
Floyds holds wins over 2 ATG fighters at most. Past prime ODLH, and possibly Hatton if he finishes his career an atg.
Sugar Ray holds wins over at least 4 ATG fighters Duran, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez.
Floyd is a great fighter with a good resume. SRL is a great fighter with a great resume.
I agree that PBF being the current great and having ended his career at WW now he is being compared to past great WWs instead of past SFW or LWs. In all honesty a better comparison would be PBF vs Mosley at LW or PBF vs Oscar at LW.
Fighters are often wrongly judged by the fights they had at the end of their careers at weights they don't belong in the first place. As good as Oscar was at welterweigh, he was much better at the lighter weights. Other fighters like Trinidad are also judged like this.