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Amir Khan says he needs an american trainer.
Lets hope he doesnt get Buddy Mgcirt.
Four years as a pro and he's only at Commenwealth title level and getting knocked down on a regular basis.
Khans an avarage talent who will fail to win a European title.
Warren doesnt want to step him up cos he's his main meal ticket.
Khan is only 21 years old. That's still very very young. It doesn't matter how many years he's been pro. If he had turned pro at 22 and still wasn't a titleholder after 4 years, that would be an issue, but that's not the case here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
It is a red flag that he's getting knocked down, but it's important to note that when he's gotten knocked down, he's picked himself up and knocked out his opponent.
Khan has work to do, but he still has the potential to be a great fighter.
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Originally Posted by SEANIE
"Khans an average talent" :o
Put down the pipe son really!!!
Khan is the most skilled prospect in world boxing, he just dont have a chin.
If that kid had a chin he would be one of the best of his era that kid has SKILLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSS
Give the lad a break he is only 21.He doesnt seem to have a very good chin but i think give him abit more time with the way he is learning he can tighten up his defence and will generally improve as a fighter.I agree with Frank Warren in this case with Khan he isnt ready for a world title,but to just yet and ease his way up in the ranking fighting better fighters theres no rush with him.
I think he needs a mans body and chin as opposed to a boys, and then he can be something.
No world title shot at the moment please
judging by that i think its actually you that needs to put the pipe down !Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
"Khans an average talent" :o
Put down the pipe son really!!!
Khan is the most skilled prospect in world boxing, he just dont have a chin.
If that kid had a chin he would be one of the best of his era that kid has SKILLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSS
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonjudging by that i think its actually you that needs to put the pipe down !Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
"Khans an average talent" :o
Put down the pipe son really!!!
Khan is the most skilled prospect in world boxing, he just dont have a chin.
If that kid had a chin he would be one of the best of his era that kid has SKILLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSS
You disagree Khan has the best skills out of any world talent.
Please brainiac let us know who has more natural skill than Khan!
Dont say Gamboa he clearly has less skill and at 27yo he is not upncoming.
Are you on crack?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
Not agreeing with him about average talent, but the euro champ at the weight who battered Thaxton looked pretty decent, and I'd give him a fair shot against Khan. Warren should line him up before christmas, he's a step up, but not a stupid huge step like going i with a Nate, Pac, Casa.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoAre you on crack?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
Yea to be fair kahn is only 21, he still has time to improve.
i think he should move up. he might improve on his chin like cotto did.
Cotto moved up cause he found it really hard to make the weight and it told the later a fight went on.Khan can make the weight fine at the moment and if he moves up the hit alot harder again so i would improve his defence before he goes up a weight.
Yeah i see where you're coming from but Romanov is exceptionally good for euro level. He's probably as good as Kotelnik is at 140 and he's wba champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompNot agreeing with him about average talent, but the euro champ at the weight who battered Thaxton looked pretty decent, and I'd give him a fair shot against Khan. Warren should line him up before christmas, he's a step up, but not a stupid huge step like going i with a Nate, Pac, Casa.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoAre you on crack?Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
I don't think Thaxton offers much other than fitness and likeability to be honest so i wouldn't read too much into that win. IMO Hatton's win over Thaxton was even more dominant and he was much younger and he fought a primer John Thaxton.
I'd give Khan big respect if he fought Romanov. I think Khan would win but he'd have to fight smart.
Thats the problem He cant Fight smart. Hes been about long enough to know Why, What and When but doesnt.
Con's actually a great talent. With a below average chinQuote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
Shit, that was almost a compliment. I think a Khan move to the US could be a good thing for him. Get him out of the small pond of the UK where he is a big name and put him in the big pond which is America, where he is just another prospect. A year of training hard and keeping under the radar while moving up steadily could be good for Amir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCon's actually a great talent. With a below average chinQuote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
A bout against the likes of David Diaz by this time next year would be good progression.
Agreed VD.
I try to stay away from rating prospect's chins. A lot of great fighters were down early but Khan's chin seems to be a genuine problem. He does have talent, wouldn't say he's got the most talent of any prospect, but he does have a lot of talent. Still a lot to learn though. Not looking for him to step and fight a champion yet but would like to see him put it with more punchers like Gomez. Gomez was in the end a learning experience, it's better he faces more, less talented punchers now for the first time then facing them for the first time when going for a belt. This should have happened long ago in his progression imo, but better late then never.
Chin's not his only problem, he comes a bit unglued sometimes, gets sloppy defensively and that leads him to getting hit with some shots he shouldn't be getting hit with. He's not an average talent though. Not the most skilled prospect in the world IMO but obviously not an average talent.
Yeah I think whoever is handling him should have made him watch Holt - Torres II to show why it's a bad idea to get as crazy sloppy as he does when he is going for the kill. That running while punching is absurd. Still, he has potential. Very fast, I think he's one of the more fast lightweights out there in terms of hand speed and his power seems up to par aswell. Just has to harness it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I guess on the sliding scale of ridiculousness, I'm about halfway in the middle of seanie and markusdarkus.
;D Well doneQuote:
Originally Posted by amatYeah I think whoever is handling him should have made him watch Holt - Torres II to show why it's a bad idea to get as crazy sloppy as he does when he is going for the kill. That running while punching is absurd. Still, he has potential. Very fast, I think he's one of the more fast lightweights out there in terms of hand speed and his power seems up to par aswell. Just has to harness it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I guess on the sliding scale of ridiculousness, I'm about halfway in the middle of seanie and markusdarkus.
Amir Khan has not fought for the domestic titles because the opposition at the moment are young, hungry and dangerous. Bruno did the same.:)
I would like to see Khan against Jon Murray. That would be a good fight. As Murray said the other night, he should sort out who is the best in the North West of England never mind shouting for a world title now.
For the record if they fought now I would put it 60/40 in Khans favour.
John Murray, yeah.. Would be a good, realistic fight for Khan. Plus it would be good to see Khan in with a Lightweight. ;D
I think Murray is far too slow on his feet to do any real damage. He'd not put the pressure on enough to stop Khan scoring over and over.
I'm actually a Khan fan. Just want to see my fellow Brit do well.
I wanted to see Khan plant his feet more often, pick his punches. He started to show signs of that about 4/5 fights ago but he is still very much a mover. He's style reminds me of a young Muhammad Ali in the way he tries to be elusive, always moving, coming at his man with darting attacks, blurring hand speed.
Thing is, what worries me is that when his man catches up with him, he hasn't a clue what to do. Not really anyway. I mean, i haven't seen one fight where he has tied his man up, hooked an arm, lean't on his man, did something just a little sinister on the inside.
What ever coach Khan finds, i hope they instill a little devil in him cause in about 2 fights time, he's gonna wish he had it.
Khan can do whatever he wants , unless Warren can buy him a new chin , he will get KOED againest any sort of puncher.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEANIE
I don't think chin matters really.
What matters is that once their chin is tapped and they go down, do they fall apart or do they come back stronger.
That can mentally tell what a fighter has. Apparently Khan has something because he got up and won.
But he can't keep fighting opposition like this unless he wants to go the andre berto route.
A bad habit he has is working of His last shot not the other guys. Down the road it will find Him.
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Originally Posted by Majesty
Andre berto is WBC welterweight champion of the world
I think khan would bite your hand off to be in the same boat as berto now.
Team khan are stuck in a lull now and warren seems quite happy to be cashing in on ITV money that khan is getting for fighting 2nd rate opponents.
Amir should be spending more time on finding a new promoter who can get him over to sky/setanta etc and less on tuning up a style which i believe is already good enough to compete at the highest level!!
If he was good enougth Frank would have Him in there make no mistake. There are reasons why He is not getting pushed, Frank Hates losing and losersplus Hes not a bad judge Ernie taught him well.
No doubt the lads got talent. Offensively id say hes the best from all the current prospects but defensivly a big no no, plus his inside fighting is crap. His speed and combinations at times are simply astonshing especially 9-10 punches against gomes when he was hurt himself.
Trainer wise america would be perfect for him, sumwhere where hes not a big name, roger maywether would be good or sum old school trainer. He neeeds to be roughed up a bit and brought back to the real world which would do him good. All i can say is stay away from manny steward!!!
Going to the States would be a disaster for him in everyway.
I'm going against the grain and think khan is not as great as his fans think but much better than his haters say he is. I still don't have a solid opinion of this guy yet but at this stage in his career he's doing a pretty decent job so far. Nothing wrong with gradual progression, sure he has flaws and makes some mistakes but this is the time for all that, and to work out kinks and learn, he's managed to win which is most important, a fighter doesn't have to decapatate every opponet to be on a good track, he's a young prospect, not sure why so much is expected of him already. He's been hyped but not really overhyped....i think he'll be just fine. Does he look like the next great pfp best..no, but will he get a belt, i say probably.
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Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonjudging by that i think its actually you that needs to put the pipe down !Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
You disagree Khan has the best skills out of any world talent.
Please brainiac let us know who has more natural skill than Khan!
Dont say Gamboa he clearly has less skill and at 27yo he is not upncoming.
yes i do dissagree, any world talent?? you have to be joking , ye he has decent handspeed but nothing spectacular at 135, his defence is leaky to put it mildly, his chin also is not up to standard
and you can have skilllssssssss as you put it but with a chin like that he wont win a world title unless its a WBO Frank Warren paper belt,
an of course gamboa can be up and coming regardless of age as his only had 10 fights and is improving his level of opposistion all the time, something that khan is failing to do
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Originally Posted by KKisser
bad comparison imo
cotto's chin is severly under rated in my opinion
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonQuote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
You disagree Khan has the best skills out of any world talent.
Please brainiac let us know who has more natural skill than Khan!
Dont say Gamboa he clearly has less skill and at 27yo he is not upncoming.
yes i do dissagree, any world talent?? you have to be joking , ye he has decent handspeed but nothing spectacular at 135, his defence is leaky to put it mildly, his chin also is not up to standard
and you can have skilllssssssss as you put it but with a chin like that he wont win a world title unless its a WBO Frank Warren paper belt,
an of course gamboa can be up and coming regardless of age as his only had 10 fights and is improving his level of opposistion all the time, something that khan is failing to do
Khan technically is still a much safer bet to be a world champion than gamboa.
The guy spends 12rounds with his hands at his waist and is just asking for a decent solid puncher to hit him good.
Im not exactly the biggest khan fan but some of the bullshit posted on here does amuse me at times.
The guy is technically a very good fighter and i would be stunned if by the this time next year he isnt a world champ as long as warren can keep his promise and get him a shot.
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
yes i do dissagree, any world talent?? you have to be joking , ye he has decent handspeed but nothing spectacular at 135, his defence is leaky to put it mildly, his chin also is not up to standard
and you can have skilllssssssss as you put it but with a chin like that he wont win a world title unless its a WBO Frank Warren paper belt,
an of course gamboa can be up and coming regardless of age as his only had 10 fights and is improving his level of opposistion all the time, something that khan is failing to do
Khan technically is still a much safer bet to be a world champion than gamboa.
The guy spends 12rounds with his hands at his waist and is just asking for a decent solid puncher to hit him good.
Im not exactly the biggest khan fan but some of the bullshit posted on here does amuse me at times.
The guy is technically a very good fighter and i would be stunned if by the this time next year he isnt a world champ as long as warren can keep his promise and get him a shot.
isnt that exactlly what khan was doing at around the 10 fight mark, except he has been shown up for it whereas gamboa hasnt, not to say he will be in the future,
unless he runs to 140 and takes on a weak champion such as kotelnik, he wont be a champion for quite a while imo , 135 has too much talent ahead of him you have campbell, guzman, pac, JMM, Casa, Katsidis, Juan Diaz, Romanov
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
Khan technically is still a much safer bet to be a world champion than gamboa.
The guy spends 12rounds with his hands at his waist and is just asking for a decent solid puncher to hit him good.
Im not exactly the biggest khan fan but some of the bullshit posted on here does amuse me at times.
The guy is technically a very good fighter and i would be stunned if by the this time next year he isnt a world champ as long as warren can keep his promise and get him a shot.
isnt that exactlly what khan was doing at around the 10 fight mark, except he has been shown up for it whereas gamboa hasnt, not to say he will be in the future,
unless he runs to 140 and takes on a weak champion such as kotelnik, he wont be a champion for quite a while imo , 135 has too much talent ahead of him you have campbell, guzman, pac, JMM, Casa, Katsidis, Juan Diaz, Romanov
Didnt gamboa get knocked down in his last fight??
To be honest mate i wouldnt expect to see any of them in with khan.
Warren will probably get out of his promise to make khan a world champ by the end of 2008 by getting him a flagship belt that has no real standing in any division.
Unluckily for amir he is in just about the most competitive division in boxing though of those names you have mentioned i would suspect khan would be able to beat katsidis and romanov!!
Khan is Athletic, Technicaly not very good thats the truth.
exactlly so who is he going to win his title from ?????Quote:
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Originally Posted by hitmanhattonQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
isnt that exactlly what khan was doing at around the 10 fight mark, except he has been shown up for it whereas gamboa hasnt, not to say he will be in the future,
unless he runs to 140 and takes on a weak champion such as kotelnik, he wont be a champion for quite a while imo , 135 has too much talent ahead of him you have campbell, guzman, pac, JMM, Casa, Katsidis, Juan Diaz, Romanov
Didnt gamboa get knocked down in his last fight??
To be honest mate i wouldnt expect to see any of them in with khan.
Warren will probably get out of his promise to make khan a world champ by the end of 2008 by getting him a flagship belt that has no real standing in any division.
Unluckily for amir he is in just about the most competitive division in boxing though of those names you have mentioned i would suspect khan would be able to beat katsidis and romanov!!
katsidis is relentless and has alot of power and i think would give khan more than he could handle, romanov is a class act but i think i would also give khan a chance in that one
i'm sure it's underrated but it did improved and he didn't get rock as much after moving up. some fighters can just absorb punches better when they get heavier.Quote:
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Originally Posted by KKisser
bad comparison imo
cotto's chin is severly under rated in my opinion
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Originally Posted by KKisseri'm sure it's underrated but it did improved and he didn't get rock as much after moving up. some fighters can just absorb punches better when they get heavier.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhattonQuote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
bad comparison imo
cotto's chin is severly under rated in my opinion
maybe, the way i see it is that cottos chins suffered at 140 due to the work he was putting in to get the weight off , i dont believe this is the case with khan and if he does move upthe bigger firepower that could be coming back at him would ruin him imo