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I looked at the Toney-Rahman fight as an eliminator to see who would fight Haye in the fall.
After last night, we really don't have a true winner. So who should Haye fight, Rahman or Toney?
And say the commission steps in and orders a 3rd fight between Toney and Rahman.... who should Haye look at as a replacement opponent for his fight this fall?
Haye should go forward and become the undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World and bring the belts back to London:cool:
And he will;)
I thought Maskaev had become fav to face Haye?
I just saw Haye say in an interview he'll be fighting Oct/Nov (as we know) and then again in February.. for what it is worth
Try and get Toney and become the first guy to stop him.
If not i guess Maskaev is as good as anyone else.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
I think Toney would be a mistake at this moment in time.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
I think Toney would be a mistake at this moment in time.
Looking at the 3rds last night i think Haye would destroy him too much speed.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
I think Toney would be a mistake at this moment in time.
Looking at the 3rds last night i think Haye would destroy him too much speed.
You could be right, he's also the naturally bigger man. He should also be much stronger than James but Toney's craftyness and ability to roll with shots and counter could prove disasterous. Of course this is all speculation.
really...
i cant understand this whole david haye thing
whats going on involves far more delusion then people thinking hatton would KO mayweather
david haye seriously needs to STFU
and i hope when he finally takes a fight and gets KOd everyone will just ignore him
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Looking at the 3rds last night i think Haye would destroy him too much speed.
You could be right, he's also the naturally bigger man. He should also be much stronger than James but Toney's craftyness and ability to roll with shots and counter could prove disasterous. Of course this is all speculation.
Haye is just the type of fighter that would fight anyone, which is very refreshing. All of his fights have lead to something he doesnt do crappy intrim or mandatorys he just sets new goals for himself.
Which is great, power, speed, looks, mouth Haye is just what the HW division needs.
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You could be right, he's also the naturally bigger man. He should also be much stronger than James but Toney's craftyness and ability to roll with shots and counter could prove disasterous. Of course this is all speculation.
Haye is just the type of fighter that would fight anyone, which is very refreshing. All of his fights have lead to something he doesnt do crappy intrim or mandatorys he just sets new goals for himself.
Which is great, power, speed, looks, mouth Haye is just what the HW division needs.
Agreed!
Thing is Sal without even starting his campaign he's got us all talking loads about the Heavyweight division which is something i couldn't give the time of day to since Lennox fought Vitali;)
Like him or not he is bringing the Heavyweight division back into the public eye.
And with power like Hayes only a fool would dismiss him as having no chance.
Have you seen what he did to Bonin at Heavy?
He destroyed a man with a decent record and nearly took his head off with a jab prior to the thumping KO he dished out.
Haye is a big force and looks competent up at Heavy,yeah he's chinny but that just adds to the excitement for me and if he fails in his dream at least he'll entertain us along the way,NEVER swerve a challenge and give it 100%.
Name me some Heavies at present who you can say that about?;)
I wouldnt mind seeing a Haye:Toney fight as a playoff into a title shot.
I think Toney could take Haye out in the deep rounds. Be fun to watch as an old Toney gradually unwinds Haye.
And I agree with you and I been on the Haye bandwagon since Smash was toting him a year and a half ago, but I think a fight with Toney would not be wise at the moment... Toney style is impossible to look good against, there is no way in hell and I'll repeat this no way in hell Haye will Knock Toney out. James is the Hardest grizzeled fighter of this generation.. Haye would do well to avoid him if he could, James has to much experience and even though Haye is strong and athletic, at this point in his career is no match for Toneys smarts and skill.. Like Miles said Toney would break him down late in the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
I don't have a good opinion of who...but haye simply just needs to get in the ring and market a klitchko fight with his hands instead of trying to do it with his mouth . Haye outside of the ring has bugged me but inside it i like to watch him. Beat the crap out of a couple of these other HW guys or at least try to. The fights he wants will eventually come. Right now the stalking will get haye a fight with klitchko just as well as witter did getting a shot a hatton.
I don't see how someone can talk so much shit in the heavyweight division.Without fighting anyone of legitimacy.I mean he lost to an older veteran in Carl Thompson. Haye has decent pop in the CRUISERWEIGHT Division.I am very interested when he lands one of those Haymaker's on a true heavyweight's chin.If Toney or Rahman come in good shape I believe they will take care of this cruiserweight.
I think Maskaev would be a perfect opponent at this point for Haye.Abit on the other side and has been suseptible.Also brings a little "Familiarity" and direct title lineage for a big debut.Also can show formidable power but Haye would find him easy to hit.
Haye should not fight Toney right about now.Just do not see it going well for Haye,Even at this stage and beach ball form,Toney is much to shifty/experienced and could cope with Hayes forward speed and big right hand.I think Haye gets schooled big time.
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See, that was my initial point.
Good stuff Spicoli
Yea haye would come out like a damn banshee, but i agree with most toney would probably be crafty, skilled, and smart enough to find a way to weather through it and break haye down late. Still a fight i'd like to see.Quote:
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See, that was my initial point.
Good stuff Spicoli
Fight Toney or Peters, Because V Klitschko will get hurt in training again I promise you guys that.
There is NO chance of Haye fighting Toney.
The last thing he needs, after all the hoopla, is a tricky defensive master.
Whoever Haye fights once the speed and power take effect the opponent will quickly end-up horizontal.
(although If Haye is reading this he'll probably WANT to fight Toney just to show you all he can KO him ;))
Yeah, I'm def sick of Vitali... Just stay retired... If you can't get through a camp, how are you gonna get through a fight?
I mean, fair play to him attempting a comback but sometimes the will overlooks the body.
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It's funny...
There's so much talk about Haye at HW. I'd love to see how he fairs. IMO he's not ready for the likes of Toney... Even now The Rock would probably be to much for him.
Now these are just opinions....
I need to see Haye at HW against a good test like Oleg to take a legit stance.
I see Oleg hurting Haye a bunch of times prior to Haye ending it. I wouldn't be surprised if Haye tasted the canvas before he won this fight by TKO.
But again... all just speculation.
True, But in Toney's last few fights with Peter and Rahman he has looked very easy to hit. Plus, Everyone was making a big deal of him being in shape for his fight with Rahman rematch. This is boxing your supposed to be in shape, Anyways he was still fuking fat and out of wind. Rep(Approved) on the way in 24.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You can bet yourself that not needing to lose 30lbs and having to starve will have an immediate effect on Haye. He says he will be a better heavyweight than a cruser and taking everything into consideration i can only agree.
I guess time will tell.
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Who's to say he won't... As you say, we shall see.
I can see people's points about Toney but as a Toney fan the last thing he needs to see is a guy with speed. At his age Toney should probably stick to slow plodding heavyweights. Not that he couldn't figure out Haye but his reflexes are slowing.
I think Maskaev's a good pick honestly.
For Haye I mean
He should fight Oleg Maskaev IMO.
I think he should fight Maskaev 1st.
Yep.. no chance of this fight happening,
Who the hell would put their young fighter in with Toney the trickster, a nightmare for anyone !
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Not sure the last time i see Toney as a "defensive master" tbh. Certainly not weighing over 225lbs, i would also like to add he is coming off a draw against Raham two defeats to Peter and SD win over a bum and he lost the first two rounds Weds night.
Toney is no longer that fighter.
I think Haye should have a fucking fight and stop running his mouth!
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
We had a losser: Rahman. He was clearly trying to get the fight stopped. What fighter tells the doctor "I cant see!!"
Rocky Marciano fought Ezzard Charles with half his nose hanging off.
He should test the waters against a guy like Monte Barret who has been on an extreme hot streak and has been fighting very aggressively lately.
We would see how he performs against a pretty good HW and at the same time, the way Barret has been winging away lately, we may even get to see Haye's chin tested.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
I think Toney would be a mistake at this moment in time.
I agree.
I think Haye would win but Toney could give him promlems and make him look bad.
Toney is not easy to nail with a good shot and he has a great chin.
Haye needs to make a big statement at HW bY smashing a big name in a few rounds then people would take real notice!