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I think Cona has met his match now and is getting to find Marquez technically too good for him. Hes getting old and I think Marquez will have the tools to win the majority of the rounds against him. Im thinking either a wide UD for Marquez here.
Note how his name is also Conamayor to please VD. Sick of him calling all of Brit fighters Frauds or Cons, here is a taste of your on medicine mate ;D
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
so u dissrespect a great fighter who has given us great showings for many years just to take a shot at the forums biggest losser?
You are a knob.
He gets on at my favourtie fighter, why cant I dish some back :confused:
Because the case for Froch being a Fraud is perfectly valid, as he is a completely unproven 32 year old prospect who has fought domestic level competition and has a style that almost surely will not work consistently against top fighters. Casamayor is an ATG who is well past it, but still a crafty veteran champion. In my opinion the only thing Froch being from the UK has to do with the flak he gets is because if he were from America he would've already been in with better fighters and been "exposed" himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Conamayor LOL ;D
Well its every British fighter that falls into this catagory really, so why cant I dish a bit back ? and from has just turned 31 2 weeks ago ;D
He's not making names like that for establish legends, just Khan and Froch, two unproven fighters. And Froch is a fraud imo, I actually subscribe to that.
At this point, Casamayor can't be exposed. I do think Marquez would win but don't be surprised if he hits the deck.
I understand. VD does make me laugh with the Brit names he has. A Mere Con is a classic, you have to admit that even being from the UK :D Pretty harsh to call Froch Fraud as nobody knows what he's like with higher competition coz he ain't shared a ring with one yet. He's done more than fine with domestic level. Ain't his fault he can't get a good name on his record. He's called out Calzaghe numerous time, called Taylor out and Inkin pulled out twice. Nobody wants a part of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
He even said himself he hates every fighter from Britiain just because they are British. Im not trying to have a stab at Casa here, I actually like him, its just a little hit on VD.
No quarms here boys. ;D
I think people should go easy on Froch. You can't blame him for not wanting a strap and calling out the big names. I'm fine people callling him Fraud if he fights a top name and gets beat but wait until that happens to start the hate campaign ;)
Couldn't he have fought Calzaghe at one point?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI understand. VD does make me laugh with the Brit names he has. A Mere Con is a classic, you have to admit that even being from the UK :D Pretty harsh to call Froch Fraud as nobody knows what he's like with higher competition coz he ain't shared a ring with one yet. He's done more than fine with domestic level. Ain't his fault he can't get a good name on his record. He's called out Calzaghe numerous time, called Taylor out and Inkin pulled out twice. Nobody wants a part of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Froch has called Calzaghe out for years on end. Instead he goes an fights the mighty Peter Manfredo.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatCouldn't he have fought Calzaghe at one point?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeI understand. VD does make me laugh with the Brit names he has. A Mere Con is a classic, you have to admit that even being from the UK :D Pretty harsh to call Froch Fraud as nobody knows what he's like with higher competition coz he ain't shared a ring with one yet. He's done more than fine with domestic level. Ain't his fault he can't get a good name on his record. He's called out Calzaghe numerous time, called Taylor out and Inkin pulled out twice. Nobody wants a part of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Tan is just trash talking with friendly connotation. I'll allow it!
But personally, if anyone is going to struggle, I think Marquez will. Casamayor's style will give Marquez the fits. We all know he's suceptible to short/straight left hands and Casamayor will find his mark with that punch. ALSO, like I've always been saying, Casa fights dirty and I'm curious to see how Marquez handles it. I'll be rooting for Marquez because I'm a fan and it would set up Pacquiao vs Marquez III.
I always think casa is on the brink of a letdown, but it never comes. Casa will find a way to win, just my guess.
Anone who has a go at Froch has very good reason to. The guy has never beaten a top 30 fighter yet he goes on about how good he is non stop. Anyone in the top 20 would have his record if they'd fought his level of opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
On the other hand we have Joel Casamayor. A guy who has faced such lightweight legends as Corrales, Castillo, Freitas, Campbell. He has either beat these guys or lost close and controversial decisions. After a long lay off he got a gift decision against Santa Cruz, but just as everyone was writing him off he got up from the Canvas to beat Katsidis.
To even joke about him being a con is just childish and uninformed. U wanna make VD look bad? Then brush up on your knowledge and beat him in an intelligent debate. Yeah VD talks shit, hates on British fighters, and talks up the whole gangsta thing but he does know a lot more about boxing than you. Anyone can see that.
I'm trying to imagine Calzaghe being fine with fighting Hopkins in Vegas, but having a problem with Carl Froch instead of Manfredo in his backyard. Froch would get so relentlessly pummeled by an inspired Joe Calzaghe you would feel guilty for watching(imo). In fact Frochs best hope would probably have been for a similar stoppage to the Manfredo debacle, before he really got hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeFroch has called Calzaghe out for years on end. Instead he goes an fights the mighty Peter Manfredo.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatCouldn't he have fought Calzaghe at one point?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
From Dan Rafael of ESPN.COM/Boxing:
"Besides two highly questionable results against Pacquiao, a split-decision loss to him in March and a draw in 2004, you can make a legitimate argument that Marquez should be undefeated. He lost his pro debut by first-round disqualification, a 1999 decision to Freddie Norwood in one of the ugliest fights ever because Norwood refused to fight, and a tight split decision to hometown fighter Chris John in Indonesia in 2006."
Makes you really respect Marquez.
Like Amat said a guy like Casamayor is far beyond the point of being exposed. I mean you could (VD probably does) make the argument that he could be undefeated. Of course you could say he lost to Santa Cruz and Kid Diamond too.
All that being said, I got Marquez confidently.
Come on Tam...
Casamayor and the word exposed shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
I'm not a Casa fan matter a fact I don't think I've ever been in his favor maybe a couple of times early in his career but I became frustrated with him with all his talks about not fighting and blaming everyone but himself.
Anyway my point is even if JMM beats Casa it wont be exposing Casa.
I mean Casa one of Cubas greatest.
I think if JMM beats Casa it def. put's him on level with MAB & Erik.
Before I used to rate them Erik, MAB & JMM in that order 1, 2 & 3.
With a win over Casa a case can def. be made that they are all the same or he's #1. With Erik #2 and MAB #3.
JMM wil beat Casa, and I won't be suprised if they put JMM ahead of PAC in the P4P ratings. JMM has very underated punching power and chin, JMM might as well be the most BALANCED fighter out there.
I hope the thread starter didn't pull a muscle reaching. Poor kid. Either way Casamayor ain't losing. Marquez is a great fighter. And has always been a favorite. But I think he's moving up one division to many.
One of the truly if not underrated, than under appreciated Fighters in the modern Era ....Marquez! He will have to be the aggressor here though.Both are tattered and hitting that other side off very top notch careers.Not comfortable with the extra weight & battle damage but I'm picking Marquez none the less ;D True winner take all (Career) match.
This should be an excellent fight. Two technically brilliant fighters with a wealth of experience. If Marquez is victorious it by no means exposes Casamayor. Joel is one of the most proven fighters around... he has fought Corrales x3 & Castillo as well as a host top opposition. An argument could be made he should still be undefeated.
This is a fight between 2 highly proven warriors!!!
That's pretty much it. As much as I would love to continue to use Calcrappy. I can't. It's not possible. He's beaten some fighters. Con and Fraud ain't done shit. While Casamayor has done a lot in his career. He's a borderline HOF. A win over Marquez will get him in.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Keep trying Tam.
You know what , i think although both are a bit past their best ( and Joel is more past his best than JMM) this fight could be one for the purists , a real nice boxing bout , personally i would lean towards JMM on a split points , but its a real pick'em fight .
Maybe but the Katsidis fight was very entertaining & you know Marquez is coming to fight! It has the potential to be explosive!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
That's interesting you feel that way. I would think him a pretty safe bet to get in at least at some point in his career win here or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's pretty much it. As much as I would love to continue to use Calcrappy. I can't. It's not possible. He's beaten some fighters. Con and Fraud ain't done shit. While Casamayor has done a lot in his career. He's a borderline HOF. A win over Marquez will get him in.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Keep trying Tam.
Also it should be pointed out that Conamayor really is a lackluster attempt to make one of these names.
I think its 50/50 as far as where they both stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Age Casa's older
Fights JMM has more
Hard fights/Wars JMM has more
Wear & Tare JMM has shown it a bit more
Showings in recent fights Casa has looked worst
Cant see how Casamayor will be exposed even if he loses he has proved throughout his career to be a great champion.
Its not a factor of being exposed. But Marquez will win this. He is too sharp right now.
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Originally Posted by miles
Casa always seems to dig it out when most needed.
will be a good fight, Casa has never been outclassed im honestly going with casa here just because he is the bigger man.
Nah Barreras been around longer and hes beaten undefeated p4p fighters . Erik and Jmm haventQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Barrera 1 -
Erik 2
JMM 3
JMM has virtually beaten Pac twice someone whom MAB lost to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMENah Barreras been around longer and hes beaten undefeated p4p fighters . Erik and Jmm haventQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Barrera 1 -
Erik 2
JMM 3
JMM has a win over MAB
If JMM can get a win here I don't see how someone can't possibly consider him better then MAB.
A great arguement can be made IMO.
But history doesnt rate fighters just on the end of their careers . We have to look at the bigger picture. When Barrera was beating guys liek Mckinney in thrillers what were Pac and Marquez doing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickJMM has virtually beaten Pac twice someone whom MAB lost to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMENah Barreras been around longer and hes beaten undefeated p4p fighters . Erik and Jmm haventQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Barrera 1 -
Erik 2
JMM 3
JMM has a win over MAB
If JMM can get a win here I don't see how someone can't possibly consider him better then MAB.
A great arguement can be made IMO.
Anyway Barrera took Eriks zero and Naseems zero . Who has Marquez ever beat apart from an old Barrera and for the record alot of people thought Barrera was robbed included Harold Lederman . Not even close IMO . Marquez has got alot to do b4 he can be considered as great as his Countrymen .
I think JMM has been doing it and is still doing just that...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEBut history doesnt rate fighters just on the end of their careers . We have to look at the bigger picture. When Barrera was beating guys liek Mckinney in thrillers what were Pac and Marquez doing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickJMM has virtually beaten Pac twice someone whom MAB lost to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
JMM has a win over MAB
If JMM can get a win here I don't see how someone can't possibly consider him better then MAB.
A great arguement can be made IMO.
Anyway Barrera took Eriks zero and Naseems zero . Who has Marquez ever beat apart from an old Barrera and for the record alot of people thought Barrera was robbed included Harold Lederman . Not even close IMO . Marquez has got alot to do b4 he can be considered as great as his Countrymen .
A top 5 P4P'der for some time now.
Game, I know your a MAB fan hardcore.... It wasn't until later in MABs career that I started to like him now this doesn't mean I don't know about his skills or what his career is about. MAB was one of those fighters that did a lot of things well. He could change up his style for any fight and adapt to a fighter.
But you can't hack at JMM, I mean aside from his early loss he's possibly unbeaten at World Class level. I just think that for many years JMM has been shafted (me included) and pushed aside JMM in this fight can catapult himself as I said if NOT above them then right next to them.
Seriously though I was only having a little joke with VD like he does with our fighters. I fully respect Casa and think hes a great fighter and the fight with Marquez will be outstanding I think. It has great potential to go either way. But I think Marquez' slick counter skills will be a little too much for Casa in this late stage. I do agree that Casa could certainly get a knock down and he can be dangerous at any time in the fight.
My pick is a majority of the rounds going to marquez but a very competative fight.
JMM-Barrera was highly controversial. Some including myself had Barrera winning. The judges scorecards were bullshit. Barrera scored a clean knockdown and ok he did throw a head shot afterwards but that doesn't mean the KD shouldn't be counted. He should have had a warning maximum.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickJMM has virtually beaten Pac twice someone whom MAB lost to.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMENah Barreras been around longer and hes beaten undefeated p4p fighters . Erik and Jmm haventQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Barrera 1 -
Erik 2
JMM 3
JMM has a win over MAB
If JMM can get a win here I don't see how someone can't possibly consider him better then MAB.
A great arguement can be made IMO.
Expose?!?!!:confused:
Ok, let's first give Marquez a big A+ for taking Casamayor - give credit where credit is due...
...but honestly, expose Joe?! ... I think it'll be the other way around. Look at all Marquez fights, he has difficulty with fellow counterpuncher and a 'boxer' type fighters - I've seen him fighting a couple counterpunchers with nothing much happening for 12 rounds. He's not good at chasing fighters, he's good a waiting for 'em. Casa being a pure 'boxer' type fighter with a legit lightweight power, and a pretty big one at that, IMO will spell trouble for Marquez...
All right, I know the same 'ol folks will say the same ol' predictable thing like, 'it's cause you're a pac-fool' and indeed I'm proud to say I am;D, but that ain't no reason I'm saying this. I've never being a biased fool like 'you know who' guys who always attack us in the same predicatable way day in and day out. I said pac lost to marquez in the first fight... but never the second one (just look at my good friend Icecold, a Marquez fan - if he score the 11th round correctly, he'd come with a draw in his scorecard, the round me and Taeth have been telling him to re-watch and re-score but which he never did, I guess). And again, so the same ol' predictable guys won't accuse me again in a same ol' predictable way, I will boldly say this: I'll put Marquez P4P #1 if he convincingly beat Casamayor! I hope the guys I'm refering to, and you know who, could be man enough some day to admit what's real and what's purely their fanboy fantasy...
I'll have to agree with Violent D on this one...
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Have more confidence, my man, it ain't like your usual you.;D;)
What a stupid thread Casamayor is one of the finest super featherweights + lightweights of the modern era i think he beat Corrales 3 times and i think he deserved the decision against Castillo i did have him just losing Freitas fight but his only convincing loss was to Cruz and that was due to ring rust plus his age plus he is probably one of the most skilled fighters in the world at the moment this is totally disrespectful to a great fighter like Casamayor
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I totally agree with every word on this one. Great post!!