I want this fight.... "And NEW welterweight champ....."
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I want this fight.... "And NEW welterweight champ....."
Forgetting someone? ;)
Call me nut'so........I like Clottey :-X Berto has taken the express route to the big's and I have yet to see him in against true adversity.......save for Estrada a few and rugged Rivera.Clottey has looked on cruise control but has been deep.
I think it's moot, I think Judah is going to beat Clottey and then I would love to see Judah-Berto. They might need to play that one in slo mo for the Compubox people.
why would compubox need to see Zab getting ko'd in slow mo? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
I don't think Clottey is that great, he's a good fighter, but he isn't the same pedigree as Berto... I can't believe how underrated this guy is. He's tough, amazingly fast, vastly improving every fight, and hits as hard as anyone in the WW division. I think people see this guy as a limited Mosley type fighter, but people need to remember Mosley at lightweight were his power counted for something, and Berto has that type of speed, but he also has a great jab. While guys like like Mosley threw a snapping jab, this guy actually throws a technically correct jab that really dictates the range. Just let him improve on his defense a little(I think he should try to get Floyd Snr as his coach) and he will unstoppable.
This would be a great entertaining fight. Berto would take it though
I don't think he hits as hard as anyone at welterweight, that's a stretch. He doesn't use his jab enough either. I do think he should try to get a defensive minded trainer and Floyd Sr. would be perfect because Berto is so athletic with such good upper body control that he could stand to learn a few things from Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Well according to what Dan Rafael posted in his notebook today, it looks like Berto's next fight will be against Steve Forbes.
• Welterweight titlist Andre Berto (22-0, 19 KOs), who stopped Miki Rodriguez in the seventh round June 21 to claim the belt Floyd Mayweather vacated upon his retirement, is being lined up to make his first defense against Steve Forbes, an ex-junior lightweight titlist and the second-season runner up on "The Contender." Forbes also gave Oscar De La Hoya a tough fight May 3 despite losing a lopsided decision at 150 pounds. The tentative date is Oct. 4 on HBO's "Boxing After Dark," Berto promoter Lou DiBella told ESPN.com. "Forbes wants the fight and ['Contender' promoter] Jeff Wald and I have an agreement in principle, but it's pending a few things with HBO, which has no problem with the fight. Andre is a work in progress and Forbes can fight his butt off. He touched up Oscar even though Oscar won the majority of the rounds. I'd love to see what my guy could do against Forbes and let people draw their own conclusions." If HBO has its way, the card will include Gary Shaw-promoted bouts involving rising prospects Yuriorkis Gamboa and Alfredo Angulo. DiBella prefers not to share a date with Shaw, which is one of the issues he must work out with HBO.
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Originally Posted by amatI don't think he hits as hard as anyone at welterweight, that's a stretch. He doesn't use his jab enough either. I do think he should try to get a defensive minded trainer and Floyd Sr. would be perfect because Berto is so athletic with such good upper body control that he could stand to learn a few things from Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
He got Estrada, only done also by Cintron, and I honestly can't think of a harder punch in the division then Berto's right uppercut.
I find it really hard to judge how good Berto is. I mean his speed and combinations are great. Until he steps it up though to the upper echelon, my jury is still out on him.
I he can maintain what he does against them, he will be tough to topple.
funny...i can, Cotto's left hook to the body, and Margarito's overhand right both are harder than any of Berto's barked punches, the dudes fights sound like if Scooby Doo was in there fightingQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by amatI don't think he hits as hard as anyone at welterweight, that's a stretch. He doesn't use his jab enough either. I do think he should try to get a defensive minded trainer and Floyd Sr. would be perfect because Berto is so athletic with such good upper body control that he could stand to learn a few things from Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
He got Estrada, only done also by Cintron, and I honestly can't think of a harder punch in the division then Berto's right uppercut.
I think someone like Berto gives Clottey hell (keep in mind I'm not the biggest Berto fan, I like the kid but he still has to prove himself)
Someone like Berto who moves and has lighting fast hands compared to Berto. Bertos gonna look like Flash and Clotteys gonna look like he's fighting in slow mo.
I think Berto beats Clottey, Berto will stick and move all night and Clottey with his lack in foot skills will just plot around and wont find him....
Berto win...
Not even close. Cotto does hit hard, but he isn't a one punch type guy at all. When Berto lands that uppercut he can end the fight on that punch. Cotto hits with a lot of force, but he doesn't have that snap that makes him a dangerous puncher who will put somebody to sleep. And Margarito doesn't hit as hard as Cotto or Cintron or Berto. He's a tough mofo, but he doesn't hit htat hard, he doens't have good technique on his punches, and he doesn't have a lot of speed on his punches, Tony just throws a lot of punches and he hits hard enough, like Cotto, that people can't deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesfunny...i can, Cotto's left hook to the body, and Margarito's overhand right both are harder than any of Berto's barked punches, the dudes fights sound like if Scooby Doo was in there fightingQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
He got Estrada, only done also by Cintron, and I honestly can't think of a harder punch in the division then Berto's right uppercut.
I won't deny that that Berto has tremendous snap to his punches, but I don't know if he has that raw power yet. We've seen a bunch of guys able to take a prolonged beating from him taking lots of clean punches, Rodriguez for example. Just don't think power is at all proven yet.
Berto has yet to dissappoint me yet, he's gotten better with each fight, has learned from early mistakes, i'm not quick to say he's the greatest thing since sliced bread but the kid is bad and definatly has huge potential. I see forbes as just another gradual step up for berto, fighting semi big name, but not too big.
I see Berto's hand speed,Improved agility and punch accuracy is top notch against the also rans.He is a faster combo hitter rather than one punch hitter no doubt but He has yet to step it up big time......Clotteys lack of "Fire" as of late screams complacency and he needs to back Berto up or he losses.
I think people don't realize guys like Berto and Roy JOnes Jr don't throw all their power into every punch in a combination or even in a fight, they only really load up occasionally where as more pure sluggers will load up on every punch, So Berto hits really hard most of the time, but then he will hit extremely hard when he loads up on a uppercut which is when he becomes a one punch KO type fighter.