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Obviously a lot of attention this week will be on this rivalry, with Cotto-Margarito seen as the newest chapter.
Everyone knows about Gomez-Pintor, Sanchez-Gomez, Tito-Vargas (Mexican-American), and Chavez-Rosario, etc.
Let's try to list other great Mexico vs. PR fights that are overlooked, favorite moments from the rivalry, etc.
Don't forget Camacho vs. Chavez. But the best one out of all of them had to be Pintor-Gomez. You can watch most of it on youtube. The 12th round was truly special.
Gomez - Zerrate
Trinidad - Campas
Was Cazares Mexican?? if so Calderon - Cazares
Trinidad v Vargas is one of my favourite fights so is the Tito v Campus.
Two of my favorites. Also, Benitez-Palomino is way up there. And yes... Cazares is Mexican.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
That was an action-packed 4 round fight! The only time I ever thought Tito was hurt by a knockdown shot (other than Hopkins). That was a devastating KO punch!! One of the craziest ever! Wow!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The list is a pretty long one but just quickly thinking here...
Pipino Cuevas vs. Angel Espada
Cocoa Kid vs. Kid Azteca
Carlos Palomino vs. Wilfred Benitez
JCC vs. Camacho
JCC vs. "Chapo" Rosario
Raul Perez vs. Wilfredo Vasquez
Yory Boy vs. Trinidad
Cazares vs. Calderon
"Finito" Lopez vs. "Nene" Sanchez
Baby Casanova vs. Sixsto Escobar
You already know about the rest..
Gomez-Pintor
Gomez-Sanchez
Gomez-Zarate
Cintron-Margarito
Cotto-Gomez
JuanMa-DPDL
Rivalry is an understatement. It goes far beyond the ring. My father is 100% mexican and my mother is 100% P.R. of course they weren't married long. Everyone asks me how the hell they ever fell in love. Both sides bad mouth the other race and all I can do is sit back and laugh. Outside of the gym we battle over who has the more beautiful woman, better food, and breath taking land. Either way I am very proud to be 50% 50%, we produce the best fighters (champs) of any other country in the world. Hard to root for any fighter when the two races square off. I love my people and the heart we show in and out the ring.
Damn bro... I can see where the nickname comes from. Some family friends have the same situation... father Mexican, mother Puerto Rican. In my own case, my youngest brother's wife is Mexican. She's not that much into boxing, but she's keenly aware of the huge rivalry. There's a lot of nationalistic pride in both countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
Your half Mexican and half Puerto Rican. Yet you live in Youngstown? How the fukk you manage that?Quote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
I was lucky enough that both sides of my family are huge fans of the sport. If baseball wasn't on the tv boxing was growing up. Southside gym [Jack Loew's place] is walking distance from the house so I got a taste of boxing early.
Easy to manage the magority of Youngstown is hispanic and black.
You got any signed Pavlik stuff ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
Ha I don't look at Kelly like that. I'm 28, we grew up 2 streets from each other, played tee ball, started down southside gym around the same time. He just married good friends of the family. He just a regular guy we forget he's a celebrity. He goes to the same bars and places he did before he was champ. Great kid who hasn't let the fame change him. So if i seem to always defend Kelly thats why.
Don't forget Oscar De La Hoya is half mexican. He fought and was robbed off Trinidad IMO.
Without a doubt, our women are the finest ;). Just go to any of the malls in Puerto Rico, specifically Plaza de las Americas, and sit on a bench, and you will see what I mean.:o By the way, being from Youngstown and to classify you politically correctly, does your heritage make you a Mexirican-American? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
yes sure does
The Tito vs Campas fight to me was one of more devastating fight , Tito broke Campas mouth and sent him to Surgery , was terrible......
I thought Oscar won the fight too. But I can't help but feel a sense of vindication when Trinidad was announced the winner. I agree that Oscar out boxed Tito but I HATE it when fighters OBVIOUSLY run from a stalking fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Puerto Rico does have some fine women. I like the fact that 85% of them are straight whores. The easily beats the 50% of Mexican whores. The best are the flip women. There at 95%. Now that a great percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanWithout a doubt, our women are the finest ;). Just go to any of the malls in Puerto Rico, specifically Plaza de las Americas, and sit on a bench, and you will see what I mean.:o By the way, being from Youngstown and to classify you politically correctly, does your heritage make you a Mexirican-American? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
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Originally Posted by TitoFanDamn bro... I can see where the nickname comes from. Some family friends have the same situation... father Mexican, mother Puerto Rican. In my own case, my youngest brother's wife is Mexican. She's not that much into boxing, but she's keenly aware of the huge rivalry. There's a lot of nationalistic pride in both countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
Well I live in PR and visited Mexico a couple of times and of course been in the states a bunch of times. What I do get from my experience in the web and the states specially in Texas, is that the only rivalry betwee Mex and PR is in the boxing ring and MEXs and PRs living in the states. I don't anyone from PR that had anything against a Mexican and when I went to Mexico they were all way fucking great people.
Obviously, you are kidding. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemisePuerto Rico does have some fine women. I like the fact that 85% of them are straight whores. The easily beats the 50% of Mexican whores. The best are the flip women. There at 95%. Now that a great percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanWithout a doubt, our women are the finest ;). Just go to any of the malls in Puerto Rico, specifically Plaza de las Americas, and sit on a bench, and you will see what I mean.:o By the way, being from Youngstown and to classify you politically correctly, does your heritage make you a Mexirican-American? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
Uh no.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanObviously, you are kidding. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemisePuerto Rico does have some fine women. I like the fact that 85% of them are straight whores. The easily beats the 50% of Mexican whores. The best are the flip women. There at 95%. Now that a great percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
below the belt even for you VD...
have a weeks ban to reflect ;)
I didn't know you conducted a sociological study on the sexual tendencies of Mexican and Puerto Rican women. Please email your dissertation on it. It would be a fascinating read, I am sure. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseUh no.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanObviously, you are kidding. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
One thing I have noticed is that there aren't really any trilogies between Mexican-Puerto Rican fighters. That is an interesting fact.
These type threads can tend to be mindfields........post at your own parrell :coldnew:
Okay so would it be perfect timing to say i don't get what all the fuss is about with Mexican/ Puerto Rican rivalries?
Seriously, what is it all about :confused:
Spreading the Good Word on all the Cotto V. Margarito threads....
Hearing all the Tony haters is getting old, even if (a big if) he loses he is gonna die in that ring. This man has been waiting and been ducked for a long time and you think he's gonna go in there and just roll over.
Everyone in here must be a Rocky fan, and I can already see Tony telling his wife/trainer/mother/passed away brother "To beat me, he's gonna have to kill me, and to do that he's gonna have to be willing to die himself"...was Rocky really Mexican and not Italian???? Cuz that has Mexican fighter written all over it.
I dont doubt Cotto is willing to war, he has been in some, but I dont know he's willing to die. The countdown said it perfectly, between Mexican and Puerto Rican fighters and fans the big differance is that Puerto Ricans are allowed to box alittle more...let me translate that for you, when Tony takes Cotto's shots and keeps moving forward, Cotto will run/box (ill use those interchangeably), hell Cotto ran against Mosley an old Mosley, a Mosley that wanted nothing to do with Antonio Margarito!
Yes Cotto can out box Margo, but try boxing when you have a Tornado of well over 1000 punches a fight after you. Shit the most specialized, highly trained, super killers in any armed forces would succumb to shear volume of enemies after them, why do you think this will be different, ya Cotto will out box him, but Tony will outwork him. Tony has one of the highest stamina levels in the WW division. His production/workrate is wayyyyyy out of the norm for a Cotto opponent.
Cotto's higher level of boxing technique and ability will allow him to land many shots to the body and face, granted. What is he gonna do when he faces a man who takes bombs to the grill (Cintron) and laughs at him. Could he have stood up to those bombs? Could he have walked through it and f***ing laughed!
Yes Yes we're all mystified by the strong silent cotto who never smiles, keeps his composure in every situation, pushes the smaller man around and keeps moving forward, very imressive. BE afraid of the guy that laughs in your face, beats your ass, and begs you to get up so he can continue to whoop your ass some more.
Make no doubt about it my friends we are in for a classic, and I give all the respect in the world to Cotto for his ability, athleticism, and dedication to his craft he is one of my favorite fighters, and with this post I am not saying that Tony has it in the bag or anything close to that, a part of me is afraid for Saturday to get here. We all seen the soft underbelly of Antonio Margarito on the Countdown, and no matter how badass you are, you must have felt his pain over the loss of his brother, and if he doesnt win this weekend who knows what that might do to him, a loss here would be hard, so I worry for him.
But do not discount Tony because he will die in there. He will put it all out there for himself, his family, his country, and his fans and even if he doesnt pull it off this weekend, he will show more heart in defeat than Cotto can in Victory. He will have more fans than ever before. I know many of you know this to be true, Margo fans or not. He's gonna shock many, including his own fans and followers. Spread some rep if you believe it too. Not for me, but just to back up my man Margo.
Oh and when all you haters/non-believers change your minds, theres plenty of room on this band wagon, welcome.
And if he loses join our Cotto band wagon ;D
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Originally Posted by Master
I visit that wagon frequently. Mainly Cotto and any other fighter in the WW division. Are you ready to jump?
No problem, I am a fan of Margarito, just think he is the second best Welterweight in the world at present.
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Originally Posted by Master
Saturday will answer so much, I cant even work right now I just stopped no use trying........its over
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Originally Posted by Violent DemisePuerto Rico does have some fine women. I like the fact that 85% of them are straight whores. The easily beats the 50% of Mexican whores. The best are the flip women. There at 95%. Now that a great percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanWithout a doubt, our women are the finest ;). Just go to any of the malls in Puerto Rico, specifically Plaza de las Americas, and sit on a bench, and you will see what I mean.:o By the way, being from Youngstown and to classify you politically correctly, does your heritage make you a Mexirican-American? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
Now this post deserves permanent banning.:mad::mad::mad:
Id just like to know how a virgin who sleeps in his mom's basement would know all this? LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemisePuerto Rico does have some fine women. I like the fact that 85% of them are straight whores. The easily beats the 50% of Mexican whores. The best are the flip women. There at 95%. Now that a great percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RicanWithout a doubt, our women are the finest ;). Just go to any of the malls in Puerto Rico, specifically Plaza de las Americas, and sit on a bench, and you will see what I mean.:o By the way, being from Youngstown and to classify you politically correctly, does your heritage make you a Mexirican-American? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mexirican
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Originally Posted by Macho
world class fighter vs a glorified TJ club fighter, yory boy did a good job in that fight and knock down tito in one of the shortest left hooks in boxing history. I would be embarrassed to put this fight on the list. Yes yory boy was undefeated but never fought anybody.
The very fact that he had Tito down and hurt (and Tito hit him low which showed he had him worried) means he was a very good fighter. Not an elite granted but he won the title by beating Raul Marquez (who is still going) and at his best gave the top fighter a tough time. I have no shame in saying that is one of my favourite fights. Explosive.:)
Fernando Vargas didn't have Felix Trinidad hurt ? you have got to be kidding me Felix Trinidad was shook up by that knockdown and Fernando Vargas was in very strong position and was landing good shots on Felix Trinidad until Felix Trinidad deliberately low blowed Fernando Vargas come on even if your Felix Trinidad fan you can't seriously believe Felix Trinidad wasn't hurt it was obvious otherwise he wouldn't of been forced to use illegal tactics to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereWereWeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
These are rookie myths. Tito did not need to hit Vargas low. At no time did Vargas have Tito hurt. For all this BS about low blows. Margarito hit Cotto low 4x in 1 fight. Not to mention hitting the poor guy while he was down.
I hope the rumors of steroid use are wrong about Margarito.
Come on... Those are big words saying delibeate low blows. There were low blows for sure, but also Vargas put some of drama something that Tito didn't do when received the low blows that nobody saw or want to remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssssFernando Vargas didn't have Felix Trinidad hurt ? you have got to be kidding me Felix Trinidad was shook up by that knockdown and Fernando Vargas was in very strong position and was landing good shots on Felix Trinidad until Felix Trinidad deliberately low blowed Fernando Vargas come on even if your Felix Trinidad fan you can't seriously believe Felix Trinidad wasn't hurt it was obvious otherwise he wouldn't of been forced to use illegal tactics to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereWereWeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
These are rookie myths. Tito did not need to hit Vargas low. At no time did Vargas have Tito hurt. For all this BS about low blows. Margarito hit Cotto low 4x in 1 fight. Not to mention hitting the poor guy while he was down.
I hope the rumors of steroid use are wrong about Margarito.
This was an epic battle, and one of my favorites of all time (if not the favorite). I don't want to take anything from any of them.
We will be having a new chapter of this rivalry in August when Calderon gives the rematch to Cazares. I believe this will be a tough one for the Puertorrican due to the weight, size and strength advantage of Hugo. However, the Iron Boy has skills that make him deserve to be considered one of the best pound of pound. However, other disadvantage is his lack of power, which makes the fight even more difficult for him because Cazares will chaise him without fear of being hurt. I am hoping that he can repeat the results of the first fight winning an even wider decision this time, and avoiding other Cotto - Margarito result.
Iron Boy I am with you...