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I felt sick watching Cotto/Margarito after every round they only showed Cottos good work they chose to speak over Tonys good work then break off when Cotto scrored a pitter patter left hook it was sick!
Then the worst comment of them all after the sixth a round in which Tony clearly dominated we had this:
Max Kellerman: Cotto is clearly dominating this round and the fight :o
WTF.
I didn't feel there was any bias. The reason they were interupting Marg's offense is because for the majority of the early rounds, MArg was throwing a bunch of shots that were hitting his arms and shoulders, and Cotto was answering with clean punches that snapped Marg's head back.
I did get the feeling that Lampley was sad to see Cotto quit like that though.
yeah I thought the same, they really wanted to ignore anything Toni did :-\
Cotto pitter pat left hook? Margarito clearly dominated the 6th? ???
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Originally Posted by amat
Dont.
Margarito would hammer Cotto and they would be talking about a shot Cotto landed 30secs ago Cotto would get a shot off and "hard right hand from Miguel Cotto"
And yes the 6th round was when the fight was won imo Cotto kinda gave up it seemed.
Have you watched a boxing fight before? Getting hit, and hitting a person's gloves, shoulders and arms doesn't win you a fight. Tony wasn't doing any good work in the first 6 rounds except the fact he broke Cotto's nose. And Cotto wasn't landing pitterpat left hooks, do you have ears? Could you hear how hard they were landing? Even Margarito's head was being snapped back, and I've never seen that before from Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Tony never hammered Cotto in the first 6 rounds or really after that, He isn't that caliber of puncher. Just like MAyweather can't really hammer a guy. Margarito is one of the those guys you watch the opponent slowly deteriorate and sort of wonder how it happened because he landed know really noticeably hard punches, yet the guys face looks rearranged.
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Originally Posted by TaethHave you watched a boxing fight before? Getting hit, and hitting a person's gloves, shoulders and arms doesn't win you a fight. Tony wasn't doing any good work in the first 6 rounds except the fact he broke Cotto's nose. And Cotto wasn't landing pitterpat left hooks, do you have ears? Could you hear how hard they were landing? Even Margarito's head was being snapped back, and I've never seen that before from Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Tony never hammered Cotto in the first 6 rounds or really after that, He isn't that caliber of puncher. Just like MAyweather can't really hammer a guy. Margarito is one of the those guys you watch the opponent slowly deteriorate and sort of wonder how it happened because he landed know really noticeably hard punches, yet the guys face looks rearranged.
Tony wasn't doing any good work for the first 6 rounds? come on man he hurt Cotto to the body many times, yeah Cotto was landing the better shots but Tony was catching him as well. and to say he didn't hammer Cotto after the 6th? watch it again dude look at Cotto's face he was hammered pretty hard.
i thought lamply was going to break into tears when dlh beat vargas many moons ago :p
I think Lampley has been and is a clear fan boy for the house fighters.He calls shots that clearly miss repeatedly and is very good at suggesting and reading things into situations
Last night,end of 1st Cotto lands one-two on the frontal trunks and bayliss tells him to keep them up,Cotto nods his head yes and Bows to Bayliss in acknowledgment then touches gloves with Tony.
Lamp's says..." Bayliss says keep them up and Cotto says They were right on the belt line"...........Thats not at all what Cotto "said",That was Lampleys Interpeted spin in favor of a house fighter.Pure example of Bias Imo.
I had Miguel winning all 6 of the first 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Cotto lands nothing that is "pitter patter" Toni just has a hell of a chin
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Originally Posted by LyleI had Miguel winning all 6 of the first 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Cotto lands nothing that is "pitter patter" Toni just has a hell of a chin
Not sure how anyone could score the 2nd or 6th round to Cotto but everyone sees fights different i suppose. I also think at the elite level Cottos is not a murderous puncher it took him 11rds to beat Zab and didnt once hurt Mosley or Margarito the two best fighters he has faced.
Zab Judah fought a good fight vs Cotto...and considering the only other guy to KO Zab is Kostya Tszyu that should tell you how hard Cotto punches.
Shane Mosley has NEVER been stopped and only once been down to my knowledge and that was vs a healthy Vernon Forrest who was a very good puncher until he got hurt. And if you watch the fight you can see Shane didn't enjoy being hit like that.
Margarito's chin is amazing...everyone who wants to KO him is fighting at a HUGE disadvantage.
Tony does have an amazing chin but i dont think Cotto is a huge puncher at the elite level. All the top guys he has stopped have been stopped before or since.
He hits hard 4real but he is a break you down kind of power puncher and to do that he needs to get close and in doing so leaves that chin open.
I just wonder weather Cotto chose to fight against the ropes or that Tony cut the ring down that well he couldnt find the centre ring.
...he would have done better to catch Tony coming in while Cotto's back was on the ropes and circling out to trap Tony on the ropes throwing a combination tying up and moving waaaaaay across the ring off the break.
But all that moving and punching, nobody could have kept that up along with getting hit in return. The kid has a ton of heart
A good friend of mine who doesnt get to watch half the fights i do asked this very question last night to which i simply could only answer "boxing politics"
How often have we seen this kind of crap going on with HBO. lederman thankfully called the fight very well last night apart from giving 9 to marg and 10 to cotto to which i disagreed.
But this happens all to often, lederman scoring a fight marquez clearly won for barrera, almost flipping in judgement of morales-barrera the very fight barrera became a HBO man and morales dared to criticise.
Foreman blowing james toneys dick at every single moment of his 2 fights with montell griffin claiming shut outs in both fights despite the obvious fact montell won both.
Most self respecting boxing fans dont get lead by the blind and take HBOs telecast as nothing more than a couple of ring commentators calling it as they see!!
I did not see any bias. Cotto was winning the entire first half of the fight. At the time he got knocked out, I already scored 7 rounds in the bag for him.
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
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Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
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Cotto's punches had nothing "pitter-patter" about them. If you see a head snap back or twist to the side, that's a real shot. Cotto was easily winning the fight by the 6th and I even had him up by a round or 2 by the time of the stoppage. Margarito wore him down, and Cotto was in survival mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
AND no way is Cotto's punching power in question here. Shane and Margarito are known for their chins and their ability to never be knocked out. Cotto doesn't exactly look to go the distance so fighting Shane and Tony is one hell of a task to take on.
Max Kellerman was horrible and I actually missed Larry Merchant. Cotto won some of the early rounds, but did not "dominate" any round. The fight was close going into the 11th, but Magaritos relentless pressure and ability to walk through Cottos punches in addition to his body punches and punch output, wore down Cotto physically and mentally. Both men fought as best as they could, but Margarito was the better man last night. Great night for boxing and it shows you dont need to trash talk before a fight to have a classic fight for the fans. Cotto is a warrior and will be back on top, and Margarito finally gets the respect he deserves...Great undercard too.
He wasn't dominating, but he did edge out just about every round from 1 to 7, which on paper would like like he was dominating.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I don't think anyone mentioned this before! It reminds me of Pavlik v Taylor and Pacquiao v Morales type fights. There was no trash talking before the fights, but two people talking with their fists.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
Their round by round scoring wasn't all that bad and they were a little biased when calling Cottos shots. I had Margarito clearly winning round 2 and I gave him round 6 in a close one as well.
They really missed the boat in the ones story though. The story of this fight was the aggression and body work wearing Cotto down. He looked so much faster in the 1st 5 rounds, but he didn't protect the body and he was eventually gonna slow down. When Tony almost drop him with a body shot in round 2 I thought Cotto probably had some cracked ribs on his right side.
Cotto was so much quicker that Tony couldn't land a right to save his life, but he just kept pounding away at the body and Cotto slowed and tired enough to get hit in the head. He broke him down, he broke his will. You could see it by the 7th that Cotto was not going to win the fight. At that point he wasn't moving as well, he was just backing up to get away. He was already exhausted and the Body shots in the later rounds took his will to fight. By rounds 10 and 11, I was in fear for Cotto's safety.
Also it seemed Cottos shots had so much less steam after round 6, this was also a result of the body work. The announcers really blew a text book chance to educate the fans about the value of a good body attack and they showed considerable bias instead.
The body work won this fight early. I also thought Mayweather won the Hatton fight with the body work he did early. Its like putting money in the bank for later in the fight. Eventually your opponent will slow and weaken if you can sustain an early body attack. And Margarito, like Floyd, will keep going to the body even when a guy is hurt to the head. Margarito was maybe a little hurt a couple times, but never seriously. It seemed Cotto's punches were never really turned over, even when he snapped the head. Margarito has a chin of steel. Margarito also completely sold out to protect his own body. After the 1st round, I don't think he though Cotto could hurt him so he left himself a little more open to the head while dominating the body exchange. Its really the only way he couldv'e won the fight. If Cotto couldv'e protected the body, he wouldn't have tired and he would have won a wide decision. The post fight was crap. You could tell HBO was unhappy that their guy got KOed.
I though Lampley was his usual biased self. But Manny Steward and Max Kellerman was calling it like they saw it, which was even though Cotto was dominating early, Margarito was closing the gap and they weren't sure if Cotto could keep up that pace.
Spot on. The top rank commentators on Setanta missed the boat as well, and it was only by the 8th that they realised what was really going on in the fight. While Cotto was winning the rounds, Margarito was putting genuine damage in the bank as early as the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
Tony's a beast, he did take some serious headshots in that fight, but the difference was they didn't have cumilative effect like Margarito's steady aggression.
This needs bringing up, saying Cotto's left hook is pitter pat is one of the most atrocious comments I've ever seen on this site from someone who pretends to be an actual boxing fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Dont.
Margarito would hammer Cotto and they would be talking about a shot Cotto landed 30secs ago Cotto would get a shot off and "hard right hand from Miguel Cotto"
And yes the 6th round was when the fight was won imo Cotto kinda gave up it seemed.
I also had Cotto winning the first 6 rounds. HBO with the exception of Manny was bias as normal. Margarito was landing some good shots even in the first 6 rounds and they kind of went un notice.
I normally like max but he just really annoyed me this fight. everytime he spoke he just pissed me off. It's like everytime he spoke he was trying to prove that he knows boxing.
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Originally Posted by amatThis needs bringing up, saying Cotto's left hook is pitter pat is one of the most atrocious comments I've ever seen on this site from someone who pretends to be an actual boxing fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by amat
Dont.
Margarito would hammer Cotto and they would be talking about a shot Cotto landed 30secs ago Cotto would get a shot off and "hard right hand from Miguel Cotto"
And yes the 6th round was when the fight was won imo Cotto kinda gave up it seemed.
The shot landed in round 10 or 11 he was gone by then it was an arm hook.
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Originally Posted by lance UppercutHe wasn't dominating, but he did edge out just about every round from 1 to 7, which on paper would like like he was dominating.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
There was no edging about rgs 2 or 6 Margarito clearly took those rounds.
Some are acting as if This was entirely two different fights with Cotto putting on a damage free boxing clinic through six rounds and the roof just collapsed out of no where starting in the 7th ??Cottos boxing & footwork was top notch without a doubt but he was being effected & feeling the strength/power difference from the jump off point.He absorbed gradual, accumulating damage until the end,Especially with those inside uppercuts.
Very pissed off with Max Kellerman and Jim Lampley just completely ignore Toni's work and then Lampley starts crying at the end he was literally sobbing as he was speaking at the exit credits.
The 2nd round told the story of how the fight would end...early in the round Toni threw a hook to the body that made cotto's body get thrown into the ropes, that was vicious and those shots drained cotto. Then in the latter part of the round Cotto caught Toni with an uppercut that snapped Toni's head back and Toni laughed at him just as he did with Cintron, at that point he knew he could take his shots.
And although I would give the 6th round to Cotto I think at that point in the fight it is when Cotto realized he was gonna need a miralcle. He came out from his corner and made the sign of the cross before the bell rang...clearly asking for divine intervention at that point.
Yeah even though i thought Cotto won the first 6 rounds i never felt like he was spanking margarito. Margarito was hangin right with cotto the whole fight. He seem to be the fresher fighter also throughout the whole fight. While cotto was winning you could seem him clearly getting tired while Margarito seem to be just getting started.
To me the fight was clearly heading in the direction it did from about round 6 on down.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The call last night was awful but the worst i ever heard was Chavez/Taylor 1. Lampley/Leonard & Merchant rode Taylor's nut hard! It was terrible.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The call last night was awful but the worst i ever heard was Chavez/Taylor 1. Lampley/Leonard & Merchant rode Taylor's nut hard! It was terrible.
It started to sink in after about 8rds that Cottos shot were having little effect and that Cotto was slowly getting broken down thats when they changed their tune and actually showed a Tony clip at the end of the round. From then Cotto knew he wasnt going to win but he kept trying great fighter.
Lamps is a rah-rah boy.He calls shots that do not land...just watch the replays and on a couple of occasions when Kellerman & Manny were starting to call Margarito success,He started boasting and literally talking over them loudly.He reminds me of those old Batman series and the Sound effects...."POWWZ"....."BLAMO" etc :action:.I don't see a grand HBO conspiracy but I can not stand Lampley's phony theatrical thesaurus spouting arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The call last night was awful but the worst i ever heard was Chavez/Taylor 1. Lampley/Leonard & Merchant rode Taylor's nut hard! It was terrible.
Lamps is the same way with Pavlik. I mean I like Pavlik, but during the Lockett fight, Lampley was so over the top in his love, I wanted to barf. I would not be surprised if he rubbed one out in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsLamps is a rah-rah boy.He calls shots that do not land...just watch the replays and on a couple of occasions when Kellerman & Manny were starting to call Margarito success,He started boasting and literally talking over them loudly.He reminds me of those old Batman series and the Sound effects...."POWWZ"....."BLAMO" etc :action:.I don't see a grand HBO conspiracy but I can not stand Lampley's phony theatrical thesaurus spouting arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The call last night was awful but the worst i ever heard was Chavez/Taylor 1. Lampley/Leonard & Merchant rode Taylor's nut hard! It was terrible.
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Originally Posted by DeanrwLamps is the same way with Pavlik. I mean I like Pavlik, but during the Lockett fight, Lampley was so over the top in his love, I wanted to barf. I would not be surprised if he rubbed one out in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsLamps is a rah-rah boy.He calls shots that do not land...just watch the replays and on a couple of occasions when Kellerman & Manny were starting to call Margarito success,He started boasting and literally talking over them loudly.He reminds me of those old Batman series and the Sound effects...."POWWZ"....."BLAMO" etc :action:.I don't see a grand HBO conspiracy but I can not stand Lampley's phony theatrical thesaurus spouting arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by rene69
:jabbing: :spunk:"Oh Kelly; you beat Lockett and I'll beat my meat"
The reason lampley was crying was because he had his nose so far up cotto's ass, they needed surgery to remove it, and man did the surgery hurt.
Truth be told, while Cotto was a vicious knockout artist at junior welter, i agree with many of the posters that he is more of a volume puncher at welterweight, especially when faced with an immaculate chin to the likes of tony margarito. But at times he looked the way jermain taylor did against winky wright. in the rare event of a clinch, bayless would separate them and he would walk backwards right into the ropes. I believe he thought that standing in the center of the ring and trading with tony would be suicide, which isnt too far from the truth. But margarito hit paydirt with those uppercuts, and manny steward has said in many telecasts that cotto is susceptible to uppercuts. the way he holds his hands leaves him open up the center. if you saw the judah-cotto fight, zab realized that was his best shot at stoppin cotto. In round two he landed the first good one and you saw him keep tryin it the rest of the night. ricardo torres back and junior welter caught cotto with uppercuts. cotto, defensively has some mechanical issues. and judging from his emotional postfight interviews on espn, the loss did more damage psychologically.