how could have cotto won this fight? or win the rematch if there is one

cotto did everything right except for running outta gas and of course its bcuz margarito chopped him down. but cotto couldnt take a break. he caught him with tons of flush shots and he outboxed him but MARGARITO kept coming and coming. what could he have possibly done to win it?
i think there is only one way to beat margarito. its by overwhelming him with punches like paul williams did. just dont give him lot of chance to throw back and put you in the corner. what do you guys think?

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Originally Posted by SSEVO

cotto did everything right except for running outta gas and of course its bcuz margarito chopped him down. but cotto couldnt take a break. he caught him with tons of flush shots and he outboxed him but MARGARITO kept coming and coming. what could he have possibly done to win it?
i think there is only one way to beat margarito. its by overwhelming him with punches like paul williams did. just dont give him lot of chance to throw back and put you in the corner. what do you guys think?

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Cotto needed to what he did the first 5-6 rounds...Hit in small flurries and MOVE. Tony is ONLY effective when the other guy is stationary. Cotto was doing an EXCELLENT job! The problem is, how can anyone keep the running and shooting for 12 straight rounds. Cotto had the PERFECT game plan...those minor rests on the ropes where he stood stationary and went toe to toe with Marg is what eventually did Cotto in. Had he CONTINUE to move and NOT be against the ropes for the entire fight (easier said then done) Cotto would have won the fought. Again though...running and shooting for 12 straight rounds is a VERY hard thing to do, especially when you're being chased down every second of every round...

Better boxer with more talent = Cotto hands down.
Props to Margarito for winning the fight but make no mistake about it....

For anyone learning boxing...Margarito's style is NOT the one you want to emulate. It's just horrendous. He was being hit clean with devasting POWER SHOTS over and over and over again. It's only his CHIN that kept him in the fight.

The quote in this article sums it up:

SportingNews.com - The Sporting Blog - Margarito Stops Cotto!

"I've never seen a fight before in my life that was so completely won by one man's chin"

great points~ and like u said easier said than done to just completely and run and outbox a guy like margarito for 12 rounds. if cotto ran for last 2 and half rounds he wouldve lost the fight anyways. do you think floyd can do it? i think he was smart by not taking margarito. floyd does have habits of fighting off the ropes and purely rely on his defense. i think margarito can chop him down especially after watching cotto early in the fight. he was completely outclassing margarito. but yet couldnt sustain for 12 rounds.

also if margarito doesnt get a shot at delahoya he should definitely go for a rematch with either paul williams or clottey. clottey looked real good early in their fight before breaking his hand.

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Originally Posted by SSEVO

cotto did everything right except for running outta gas and of course its bcuz margarito chopped him down. but cotto couldnt take a break. he caught him with tons of flush shots and he outboxed him but MARGARITO kept coming and coming. what could he have possibly done to win it?
i think there is only one way to beat margarito. its by overwhelming him with punches like paul williams did. just dont give him lot of chance to throw back and put you in the corner. what do you guys think?

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Well Cotto fought a poor fight , basically he did not want to engage Margarito and fought of the back foot and was totally dominated. Yes he was accurate but his weight of punch is more suited to a body attack and he was unable to go to the body asw he was off-balance and worried about leaving himself open toa hook. Counter-punching is only effective when it causes you opponent to pause or move back - not when he continues to walk you dowm. Same outcome would happen to Floyd M. if they ever fought as he has even less on his punches , is shorter and hates to get hit and can't work for all 3mins in a round as great as he is.
Williams was a taller figher and made better use of the ring and could tie Margarito up when he had to.

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Originally Posted by SSEVO

cotto did everything right except for running outta gas and of course its bcuz margarito chopped him down. but cotto couldnt take a break. he caught him with tons of flush shots and he outboxed him but MARGARITO kept coming and coming. what could he have possibly done to win it?
i think there is only one way to beat margarito. its by overwhelming him with punches like paul williams did. just dont give him lot of chance to throw back and put you in the corner. what do you guys think?

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Well Cotto fought a poor fight , basically he did not want to engage Margarito and fought of the back foot and was totally dominated. Yes he was accurate but his weight of punch is more suited to a body attack and he was unable to go to the body asw he was off-balance and worried about leaving himself open toa hook. Counter-punching is only effective when it causes you opponent to pause or move back - not when he continues to walk you dowm. Same outcome would happen to Floyd M. if they ever fought as he has even less on his punches , is shorter and hates to get hit and can't work for all 3mins in a round as great as he is.
Williams was a taller figher and made better use of the ring and could tie Margarito up when he had to.

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Originally Posted by SSEVO

cotto did everything right except for running outta gas and of course its bcuz margarito chopped him down. but cotto couldnt take a break. he caught him with tons of flush shots and he outboxed him but MARGARITO kept coming and coming. what could he have possibly done to win it?
i think there is only one way to beat margarito. its by overwhelming him with punches like paul williams did. just dont give him lot of chance to throw back and put you in the corner. what do you guys think?

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Well Cotto fought a poor fight , basically he did not want to engage Margarito and fought of the back foot and was totally dominated. Yes he was accurate but his weight of punch is more suited to a body attack and he was unable to go to the body asw he was off-balance and worried about leaving himself open toa hook. Counter-punching is only effective when it causes you opponent to pause or move back - not when he continues to walk you dowm. Same outcome would happen to Floyd M. if they ever fought as he has even less on his punches , is shorter and hates to get hit and can't work for all 3mins in a round as great as he is.
Williams was a taller figher and made better use of the ring and could tie Margarito up when he had to.

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Mayweather wouldn't have the same outcome happen, He moves so much faster then Cotto he would be way harder for Margarito to get on the ropes if he used any lateral movement at all, mayweather has showed that its almost impossible to hit him when he is on the ropes, watch the Ndou fight for a guy who keeps throwing punches, but can't land on Mayweather, Ndou has about Margarito's boxing ability, but not chin. Floyd is taller than Cotto, as for Mayweather hating to get hit, where as he said that? Mayweather isn't Roy JOnes Jr. Mayweather liked to mix it up as his fights with Chavez, Ndou, Corley, etc. would tell you, he just knows when he can get away with it. Also what is this bullshit about Mayweather not being able to work for 3 minutes in every round? Just because he doesn't always throw punches doesn't mean he can't function for 3 rounds every minutes, he is doing so many other things that most fans dont' even appreciate. Also Mayweather actually knows how to tie a guy up, and he knows how to make people miss, its what he does. When Baldomir(using a guy with Margarito chin, handspeed, but not power) tried to hit Mayweather on the ropes look what happened even when Baldomir threw 10 punch combinations he couldn't land anything either could the way faster Oscar Dela Hoya who is a good combination puncher. And both of those guys could walk through almost any punch Floyd threw.

Cotto didn't fight a poor fight, He just needed to keep on throwing punches, but if you can't breathe you can't throw punches. I felt personally he should have done everything he could to keep it in the center of the ring because when he was throwing punches and landing Margarito sure wasn't retaliating. Usually I've seen Tony able to walk through punches and throw his own punches like as if he isn't even getting punched, but Cotto was at least stopping Margarito from throwing back while he throwing his own punches.

If Cotto threw more body punches early that would have helped for the later round. Marg body shots were deadly against Cotto.

....Cotto needed to swallow his pride and tie up Toni at points especially when he was hurt.


Cotto boxed beautifully and I think all the questions about his chin were answered....Cotto took some huge shots.



Tony has to have one of the best chins in boxing history...he wasn't even all that marked up after the fight.

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When Baldomir(using a guy with Margarito chin, handspeed, but not power) tried to hit Mayweather on the ropes look what happened even when Baldomir threw 10 punch combinations he couldn't land anything either could the way faster Oscar Dela Hoya who is a good combination puncher. And both of those guys could walk through almost any punch Floyd threw.

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Agree 100%. I think last night showed the difference between Floyd and Cotto as fighters. Floyd has already been in with guys who he knew he couldn't knock out, and against whom he'd have to rely on defense, movement and skill. He knows what to do in those situations.

Cotto had never been in that situation before last night. He thought he could knock Margarito out right up until he ran of out of steam completely and had to give up. He allowed himself to get pushed to the ropes all fight because he thought he would be able to hurt Margarito coming in, and he was wrong.

If Cotto's stamina had held out, if he had focused more of his attacks on the body, if he had kept the fight more in the middle of the ring, if he was a just a little more skilled at defense, he could have won. Assuming that Floyd came back in motivated and in shape, PBF could and would do all those things and end up UDing Margarito.

Whether or not Cotto could also do them and win a rematch is a different question that depends on his mental makeup.

I just don't see much that can be altered.Clearly,Cotto must fully dedicate to the Body in any hope of slowing Tony,But that would leave his head even more exposed...Hitting Margarito in the head was like throwing rocks at a Tank.He was forced to over reach with head shots and That allowed Margarito to dig in with upper cuts and short hooks to Cottos body.As early as the 1st round,it was clear that the strength was in Tonys favor....Cotto would get squared up on the ropes and have that bending over look,just sitting there for uppercuts.

Hindsight is 20/20 ,Maybe request a ring twice the size or aim for Tonys temple ??? If they rematch,aside from Margarito getting ancient or not commiting (Yeah right) I just don't see much Cotto could do after last night.

It had to be very frustrating for Cotto to land his best shots and see them have no effect...and I think Cotto could carry power all the way to 160 if he moved up there.

To land the uppercuts and hooks he landed FLUSH and not even have Toni's legs give a little had to be very frustrating.

Agreed the outcome of the rematch would be the same;D

Cotto would have to change his style to be just a boxer with a big focus on defense and that would be bad for his career IMO as he's used to fighting the way he has been.


People may want a rematch but there's no reason for Cotto to want one unless something changes about Toni or about Cotto.

Cotto could have won this fight if he put in more body work in the early rounds. Margo's defense for his body is underrated but I felt like Cotto was headhunting the entire first half of the fight and didn't even try to go to the body. I was thinking "Mix it up damnit. If Cintron can't knock out Margo with his best shot then you're not knocking Margo out with 50 of yours. GO TO THE BODY!!!" He was outclassing Margarito in the first half of the fight but he was expending a ton of energy fighting that way. One thing about guys like Cotto is that they have the heart to fight and put it all on the line for the fans but they don't have the sense to do whatever it takes to win. Cotto could have easily conserved energy by using a lot of lateral movement and tying up early while still landing those combos in the first half of the fight and if he went to the body more then he probably would have escaped with a SD or close UD. But these guys don't know the tricks of the game to do WHATEVER it takes to win. Like Hopkins, Mayweather, Winky Wright, and ODLH do. Mayweather can beat Margarito because he's much faster and in excellent shape and quite honestly, he doesn't care how the fight looks to the fans, he only cares about winning. While I respect guys like Cotto that want to prove that they are fighters, have heart, and want to give the fans a great fight, I also respect these other guys because to them winning is more important than anything.

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great points~ and like u said easier said than done to just completely and run and outbox a guy like margarito for 12 rounds. if cotto ran for last 2 and half rounds he wouldve lost the fight anyways. do you think floyd can do it? i think he was smart by not taking margarito. floyd does have habits of fighting off the ropes and purely rely on his defense. i think margarito can chop him down especially after watching cotto early in the fight. he was completely outclassing margarito. but yet couldnt sustain for 12 rounds.

also if margarito doesnt get a shot at delahoya he should definitely go for a rematch with either paul williams or clottey. clottey looked real good early in their fight before breaking his hand.

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Mayweather would get hit less in those first six rounds against Margarito, and he trains as hard if not harder than anyone in the sport. He moves around a lot more naturally than Cotto does, and he like Margarito gets stronger as the fight goes on. Cotto did well against Mosley, did well against Ndou, but you see how he was progressively being bullied more and more against both of them as they kept on walking through his bombs. However, like I've said a million times already that nose was a factor, and maybe Margarito would break it again, but without that stamina problem(nose induced or not) Cotto would have won thefight because he wasn't being hurt either by Marg's punches.

Agreed that Cotto should've gone more to the body. It was clear that his clean head shots were doing nothing to deter Margarito. I think he (Cotto) boxed beautifully... moving side to side... countering Margo expertly... sticking the jab in there. But the body attack was missing. But hey.... I wasn't the one in the ring last night. And I doubt Tony was going to stay still while Cotto was digging his shots to the body.

I wish I could say that a rematch would be different... but honestly, I think the outcome might be the same, only earlier.

I am not sure going to the body is the right thing to do vs Toni....you go to the body and you leave yourself open to be countered to the head and that's not smart vs Toni.

The only thing Miguel could have done is move more and that takes the starch out of your punches and tires you out even more.


I'm not sure it would be earlier Cotto isn't a quitter by any stretch of the immagination. And Toni can't go for broke vs Miguel because there is a chance however slight that Cotto catches him and DOES hurt him....that's a dangerous dude to be hurt against

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I am not sure going to the body is the right thing to do vs Toni....you go to the body and you leave yourself open to be countered to the head and that's not smart vs Toni.

The only thing Miguel could have done is move more and that takes the starch out of your punches and tires you out even more.


I'm not sure it would be earlier Cotto isn't a quitter by any stretch of the immagination. And Toni can't go for broke vs Miguel because there is a chance however slight that Cotto catches him and DOES hurt him....that's a dangerous dude to be hurt against

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In hindsight looking back now i can pinpoint moments during the 1st 5rounds that perhaps cotto should of been looking to really capitalise on when toni had no idea how he was going to deal with miguel boxing him so well on the backfoot.

I dont think theres too many people on here that didnt give at least 4 of the 1st 5 rounds to cotto and i remember various moments particuarly in rounds 3 or 4 when i was all but convinced marg was going to get stopped late on.

What turned the fight was antonios absoloute determination to walk through whatever miguel was prepared to throw and that 7th round which completely turned the fight on its head when cotto genuinely for about a couple of seconds put down his gloves and seemed to walk away from marg in a daze.

He never quite recovered from that and while cotto was trying to win the fight with a gameplan margarito went on pure instinct and decided he was going to throw as many single punches as humanly possible even if it meant he would blow out of steam late on!!

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Originally Posted by SSEVO

cotto did everything right except for running outta gas and of course its bcuz margarito chopped him down. but cotto couldnt take a break. he caught him with tons of flush shots and he outboxed him but MARGARITO kept coming and coming. what could he have possibly done to win it?
i think there is only one way to beat margarito. its by overwhelming him with punches like paul williams did. just dont give him lot of chance to throw back and put you in the corner. what do you guys think?

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Very good question. Alot of people are saying he shouldnt have gone on the backfoot straight away cuz that invited Margo in but I feel if he stood his ground earlier he would have been beaten earlier.

If Cotto was ever to beat Tony it was last night. Nowe his best chance has gone and next time it will be even harder. He tried his best and was beaten by the better man . Tont proved me wrong last night . I thought he would get skooled but not only did he k.o cotto but I think he proved he had his number which is much worse.

The only guys I can see beating Tony at welter are Paul Williams again and maybe PBF . I dont think Cotto ever can

Cotto at some point needed to make an emphasis on doubling to the body. Agreed that Antonio got the best dome in the business. His bone structure in his face is taylor made to take punches. I could see Cotto winning a rematch, don't think it would happen though.

Bring a baseball bat.;D



Oh and a shotgun for when the bat splinters on Tonys chin