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Because the guy you didn't want to win, Antonio Margarito, just did. Come back, and I foresee a similar late fight beatdown to what I witnessed last night. I summoned all my sources, my magic 8 ball, my tarot cards, and even my lovely predictor. All signs say be askeered. Be very askeered.
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:lol: floyd ish shkeered ;D
Lol.
I don't know....we all saw when Cotto had his legs under him that Toni was easily outboxed and lord knows PBF can stay on the bicycle for 80 rounds if he needed to.
I think DE LA HOYA should be scared of Toni because there's no freaking way he can hurt him when Cotto and Cintron hit him with the kitchen sink and nothing happened....ODH is in deep shit if he fights Toni.
Floyd shouldn't try to fight Cotto either he showed how versitile he was in there with Toni....it's amazing but Cotto's stock went up IMO even with the loss...he showed his boxing skill, stamina, and chin. And yeah I said stamina because NOBODY could have kept moving and punching like Cotto did except for maybe Marvin Hagler or someone like Harry Greb (so it's reported)
Yeah I really don't see how Cotto could have done much differently. Contrary to what some say, I didn't really ever see him stop boxing, he just got gradually ground down by Tony's constant assault. Somebody on another thread said that Floyd is more durable than Cotto. WTF? I see no justification for this. Floyd has a tremendous defense that prevents him from getting hit, but there is no way he could actually take all the punches that Cotto took without being destroyed just the same. Nevertheless, I don't think flannel-mouthed Floyd wants any part of either one of these guys.
Floyd would have rathered Margarito win IMO, that just gives him a better reason not to fight COtto who is a way tougher challenge for him. Mayweather would have no trouble with Margarito whatsoever.
As for Dela Hoya, he's a lot better mover than Cotto, and he is a lot more durable. I think he would have far less troubles with Margarito than Cotto did. I mean Margarito was a sparing partner for Dela Hoya, and it sounds like Dela Hoya made relatively easy work of him.
Oscar can move but it's been a while since he's seen 100+ punches a round....infact I don't think he's ever seen that added to the fact that Floyd clipped him and hurt him he may be in more trouble than you think.
And agreed Cotto is a lot tougher fight for Floyd than Tony and that's no disrespect to Toni but Floyd won't fight the way Tony likes to fight
I can see Floyd biking to a UD win i just dont think Floyd wants the pain that will come Tony or Cotto as he will get tagged.
Maybe he will come back but insist on his referres Cortez or Nady so he can elbow and forarm smash his way when inside. Then call on Adalade Byrd as he may want to go out winning a shut out 120-108.
I still can't see Margarito beating Floyd but he's obviously hell on just about anybody else. Floyd can stick and move all night. He might bore the hell out of the crowd but he doesn't care.
I agree that Floyd would probably win a UD against Tony, but it wouldn't be as easy as some imply. I don't care how tricky you are, Tony is going to land some shots and they are going to take their toll. Floyd doesn't like rough fights so he'll probably pass. Cotto on the other hand has a very good chance of beating Floyd imo.
I actually think Floyd Mayweather does struggle in this fight for the simple reason that Floyd Mayweather has never met anyone as big and as strong as Antonio Margarito pressure fighter wise...........
Floyd Mayweather lays on the ropes too much lately and he will get hammered by Antonio Margarito on the ropes i don't care how good Floyd Mayweather is at countering or how good his defense is Antonio Margarito will hit you anywhere on the arms/gloves/shoulders..............
Mayweather doesn't mind being hit on the shoulder, elbows, etc. ALso people are forgetting a big factor, and thats footspeed. Margarito is very limited when it comes to his ability to move, and he is not very good at all at cutting off the ring. Margarito would chase Mayweather around, but he would be too slow to close the gap, and people aren't realizing there is a reason why Margarito started off especially slow against Paul Williams, and htat was because Paul was moving too much, you can't throw punches unless you have the right distance, and if Floyd doesn't give that to Marg then he will never get the chance to throw punches. Also about MAyweather being the ropes, He was against HAtton, one of the fastest pressure fighters the sport has ever seen(how fast he closes the gap is truly amazing), and a great inside fighter, a guy who walked through MAyweather's punches for most of the fight, and a guy who didn't get a chance to throw punches because Mayweather didn't let him. Same with Oscar for a lot of the fihgt MAyweahter was using good lateral movement to keep the fight in the center of the ring, but even when Oscar had him on the ropes Oscar couldn't land anything throwing much better combinations then Margarito throws. Baldomir(the guy with Margarito's footspeed) was only able to get Floyd to the ropes a few times, and during those times Floyd dodged everything Baldomir threw because guys like Baldomir and Margarito are too slow to land on Mayweather)
Whereas Cotto cuts off the ring well, he has great instincts/timing, sharp/accurate punches, great body work when he uses it, He can handle Floyd's punch as well, he uses has a little better footspeed then Margarito, and he has an excellent jab which he always uses coming forward. I think Mayweather would still beat Cotto, but it would be a much more competitive fight.
People have been talking about the strength of every next opponent Mayweather will fight, but Baldomir was just as strong as MArgarito, and just as hard to hurt. Margarito does throw more punches, and he hits harder, but Mayweather has a great chin and durability for the few tiems he will get hit. Stop acting like Mayweather is made out of glass he has foughten a number of respectable punchers Corrales, Castillox2, Ndou, Gatti, Dela Hoya, Judah and none of them were able to dent him.
Mayweather would still beat anyone in the WW division IMO.
Im a Mayweather fan, but i gotta respect those 2 guys in the weekend. Im sure PBF does have his reservations about fighting either Margo or Cotto, cos a bout with them = guaranteed hurt.
Although I am not a fan of Mayweather, I have a tremendous amount of respect for his supreme athletic ability and boxing savvy. He rarely seems rattled, even in the rarer event of him takin a solid punch. Toni is a great fighter, but Cotto was much easier to hit or even keep in the same place for long enough to land anything. Mayweather has no problem movin around that ring long enough for twenty ppv undercards and the main event. We've all seen mayweather hit, cornered, and even swollen. But there is one thing that I've never ever EVER seen, and that's PBF tired. If someone has seen it, feel free to correct me. I've watched him a lot but not every fight. everyone since diego corrales. If he has to dodge margarito for 12 rounds or 200 rounds, he can do it like no one else. the only thing that may make tony marg a tough fight is his massive punch output. usually fighters who hit as hard as he does dont punch 100 plus per round ever, let alone on a regular basis
You make good points there. I think ppl forget at times that even tho PBF talks shit, acts immature, and can be annoying has hell, he may be the most skilled fighter our generation will see. I think Margarito has a great chance to beat him if the fight happens, but Floyd will be more difficult to beat than Cotto.Quote:
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Look at the end of the day, these 2 guys put on a great fight....
but these threads about Mayweather getting battered by Tony are ludicrous.
I actually think Cotto would be a much harder fight for him.
Mayweather likes to get on his bike and fight in reverse. He actually enjoys it, whereas Cotto doesn't or at least didn't look comfortable.. Even if Tony had him (mayweather) pinned on the ropes, Mayweather's defence would take care of it. He avoided much better/faster combinations from ODLH while laying on the ropes, so i fail to see how Tony would make his combo's land.
There was times early on in the fight where Tony started following Cotto around just like Chico did against Floyd. That's how elusive Floyd is. I just see Tony following him around in a similar fashion to what Chico did. Granted i don't see Mayweather hurting him, and i'd expect the fight to be a bit more competitive, but i still see Mayweather winning quite easily.
Finally i think it's important to remember that the styles clashed perfectly on Saturday night. The fight flowed perfectly, Everything about it was just perfect and while i feel Tony is one of the most relentless guys i've ever seen, being relentless isn't enough against Floyd Mayweather.
Mayweather can beat Antonio.
Cotto has actually a better stylistic chance at beating Mayweather.
PBF: You Better Stay in Bicycle...;D
The more i read about this, the more i need to see it.
I'd like him back against Margarito or Williams or even Cotto still
Easily outboxed or not, did it do anything to Tony? Mayweather is a more complete boxer compared to Margarito so I can visualize Cotto loosing once again. Not sure if Mayweather can have Cotto's face covered in blood and with his mouth open after the 6th round but I can see him winning with ease.Quote:
I don't know....we all saw when Cotto had his legs under him that Toni was easily outboxed and lord knows PBF can stay on the bicycle for 80 rounds if he needed to.
Same thing people said about Tony and look what happened to Cotto. If ODLH and Mayweather both beat Cotto, this place will be quite bitter. Just look what happened after Cotto lost. Let's see if Cotto can accomplish half of what Mayweather and ODLH have ending up in the resume they both have.Quote:
I think DE LA HOYA should be scared of Toni because there's no freaking way he can hurt him when Cotto and Cintron hit him with the kitchen sink and nothing happened....ODH is in deep shit if he fights Toni.
Nope, with last fight it keeps showing how Cotto easily gets cut, rocked, knocked down, etc. If people keep saying that all it takes for ODLH to go down is one punch to the body and it only happened ONCE then I guess we can say that Cotto gets drained after round 6 of his fights.Quote:
Floyd shouldn't try to fight Cotto either he showed how versitile he was in there with Toni
Not for me. It keeps showing how he has a questionable chin/jaw, easily gets cut, gets rocked in every fight, etc. I like his punching power and style, how he works the body in some fights (couldn't vs Tony), jab, etc. But sometimes I wonder if he's a bit overrated. His resume doesn't impress me as much as Mayweather's, ODLH, and other's out there.Quote:
...it's amazing but Cotto's stock went up IMO even with the loss...he showed his boxing skill, stamina, and chin
Paul Williams did as well as Joshua Clottey and when they went back home people still recognized their faces.Quote:
And yeah I said stamina because NOBODY could have kept moving and punching like Cotto
OumaFan,
Exactly, he'll bore the crowd and get booed but I can see him prance his way to victory against Cotto and Margarito. I would love to see them or whoever not only beat Mayweather but to KO/TKO him but I find it hard for these guys to accomplish. We can't really mention a clear flaw in Mayweather so far, can we?
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I think Mayweather would still beat Cotto, but it would be a much more competitive fight.
Yeah. I can see Mayweather beating Cotto but not as he would against Margarito. Cotto is faster than Margarito but he's no speedy gonzalez.
Exactly. As if Cotto's and Margarito's resume is as great as Mayweather's and ODLH's.Quote:
Stop acting like Mayweather is made out of glass he has foughten a number of respectable punchers Corrales, Castillox2, Ndou, Gatti, Dela Hoya, Judah and none of them were able to dent him.
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but these threads about Mayweather getting battered by Tony are ludicrous.
Everyday you'll see threads about how terrible ODLH is and how Mayweather is no good.
I saw Cotto fighting on reverse most of the fight against Tony. Sometimes he would even back pedal from one corner all the way to the other with his arms down.Quote:
Mayweather likes to get on his bike and fight in reverse. He actually enjoys it, whereas Cotto doesn't or at least didn't look comfortable.
I'm a very big PBF fan, but I try to look at every situation objectively. I just know that although he loves to run his mouth and "sell tickets", he takes his craft very seriously. His personality (or lack thereof depending who you ask) makes people love him or hate him– but everyone feels strongly one way or another. So, what does that mean? It means it sells tickets.
Before the Hatton fight, everyone said the same thing about Hatton's pressure and strength. If Hatton would have KO'd Mayweather, you would have heard a bunch of I-told-you-sos. When he KO'd Hatton, it was "Well, Hatton really wasn't that good. Floyd just proved what we were thinking anyhow." Because of his mouth, if he beat all the fighters people say he's ducking - it wouldn't stop the hate.
As a PBF fan, I really keep watching and buying PPV to SEE HIM GET TESTED. I really want to see how he deals with adversity, but it never happens. He really makes it look too easy: researching opponents, developing a gameplan and, most importantly, sticking to it. Zab tried to get him out of his gameplan with dirty tactics - Floyd stuck with the plan. Hatton tried to be Hatton - didn't work either. During the Hatton fight, I was worried because it seemed like Floyd didn't want to fight at first. But, then I told everyone that was watching it with me that "He must be doing this for a reason." He was. He seemed to want to make Hatton think he didn't want to fight and he held a lot, which got under Hatton's skin & made him even more aggressive and reckless - setting himself up for the PBF's check hook. Floyd always has a plan, don't get fooled by his foolishness. All of these crazy comments IMO are just setting up a big PPV payday for the millions who hate him so much and want to see him get his ass kicked. For those who can't stand him - would you pay to see Margarito clobber him?
Anyway, please keep talking and posting about him being scared because I really really really want him to come back and fight Margarito. But when Floyd beats him too, you have to give him props.
I think that ultimately, Floyd is a businessman first and really tries to make sure that he's getting top dollar for all his fights. It HAS to be the right opponent at the right time and for the right money. He just doesn't budge on any of his demands for taking a fight. Is that contrary to the "old school" way and culture of boxing - IT SURE IS. But then again, so is paying a guy millions to say "Let's get ready to rumble", so is both fighters in a title fight having ads written on their backs like jackasses, so is a fighter taking 15 minutes to dance & sing his way into the ring . . .
Were would PBF's antics rank on a list of the top 100 things wrong with boxing from all time greats? Probably not even close to the top of the list.
In the day and age of blogs, youtube, myspace, twitter and flickr - I think we can make him come back. So, I'll join in too as a PBF fan - FLOYD YOU BETTER STAY IN RETIREMENT!!
When I picture a fight between Tony and Floyd, I first of course think of Tony the destroyer's ability to just wear down opponents the way he just slowly but surely took Cotto apart.. But that's my optimism of liking Tony and not particularly being a huge lover of Floyd..
But the second thing i'll think of is Floyd putting on the show the same he has done with every other pressure/heavy hitting guy he's been up against. Picking off jabs and counters left, right and centre. 12 rounds of lateral movement and forcing his opponents to chase chase chase,,,, and look silly doing it.
What has helped Floyd to be able to do that though, is that he actually HAS hit his opponents hard with counters and made them hesitate coming in... The people who were perceived to be real threats to Floyd in the day, were perceived as a threat because they possibly had the ability to smother Floyds work and continually pound away at him.. Whether he runs or not, they are going to punish him with so many punches that he can't possibly withstand it..
That is actually all well and good, but all these fighters have gotten caught with enough of Floyds nice, HARD counters, that they've had to think twice about walking through too many more of them...
It's the fact Floyd gets on his bike for 12 rounds that wins him fights.
But it's equally the fact Floyd makes even the hardest fighters hesitant to charge in on him just to land their own punches..
Margarito's style is perfect to beat Floyd in my opinion,,,,,
IF
His head is made of solid steal, and he can literally walk through every single one of Floyd's punches without being effect, and punish him all the same as if he were a punching bag..
If anyone thought Hatton had a chance, it would have been because of 2 things :
1. They thought he could push, chase, push and get inside Floyd WITHOUT being bothered by his punches.
2. Bang away on Floyd like a punching bag, regardless of how much he tries to run.
If someone can fulfill those 2 conditions, they have a very very good chance of f'ing Floyd up...
The entire problem though, is that no one that has faced Floyd has gone unbothered by his punches.. To come up with a gameplan to beat Floyd's "skills" alone,,, you almost have to ignore the fact he hits back... But he does.. And the combination of the 2, running and punching, is next to impossible to beat...
But take away one of those attributes?................... That's another story..
To beat Floyd's game, you have to have a chin that makes Floyds punches count for zero...
Does Margarito have that chin???
If Margarito could withstand Floyds punches, I believe he could hand Floyd his first zero..
Floyd is a skilled runner, but that's half his game. If his other half (his attack of course) can be withstood by an opponent, then he is by no means in my eyes unstoppable...
Unfortunately no one was up to that challenge during Floyd's career, and possibly no one will get a chance in Floyd's retirement.
My question to everyone out there that thinks Floyd would easily beat Tony.
THEN WHY THE HELL WON'T FLOYD FIGHT TONY IF IT WOULD BE SUCH AN EASY FIGHT?