Oscar Diaz wasn't in a coma? I have a feeling that Diaz was in the back of Cotto's mind when he started taking knees near the end of the fight.
This may have been mentioned in another thread but I have not read through everything.
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Oscar Diaz wasn't in a coma? I have a feeling that Diaz was in the back of Cotto's mind when he started taking knees near the end of the fight.
This may have been mentioned in another thread but I have not read through everything.
Yes, he would have taken further punishment and got knocked out if he tried to fight on.
I don't think so.
Miguel was enduring severe punishment after round 8 and I feel that had he been affected by that mentally he would have taken a knee in the eighth.
Cotto did outstanding at the beggining of the fight and his boxing skills were outstanding. I just think he was tierd and annoyed with the fact that Margarito just kept coming. Cotto is powerful and Margaritos chin and determination was just a bit too much for him to take. He needs to show that he can bounce back from this loss. But Margarito looked physically a lot bigger than Cotto and that is very hard for a fighter to fight against.
The fight itself was outstanding, the best fight I have seen this year IMO. Margarito needs to move onto Williams IMO and tie things up with him. I think Cotto needs to get back into training, I hope this fight doesnt effect him because pretty much any other fighter at 147 would not be able to handle the cotto that fought for the first half of that fight.
I hope they meet again one day!
I don't think that would have affected him. I think the commentators really missed the ball on this one, he was being caught up to and hurt from a lot earlier than the tenth, there was nothing quick about the finish.
No, he just had enough and the corner realized that and threw in the towel. Own fighter.
look, by that point cotto didn't even know who oscar diaz was, shit he probably didnt know who he was.
he was tired as shit, he brain was spinning he was stumbling around the ring because he had no control of him self.
Stop making excuses
he got beat and nothing in the world that has happened before or after this fight would of changed that.
BG isn't the type to make excuses, he was merely inquiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Good post. I agree, Cotto was dominating much of the fight, just completely gassed out. Whether it was bodywork, conditioning, broken nose, etc.. doesn't matter. He wasn't able to finish the fight, or his fight plan. Doesn't mean he couldn't, just that he didn't. I want to see a rematch also, it was a great fight and we need more fights like they put on.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Cotto was physically exhausted. It wasn't a mental loss in my opinion. You could clearly see him running out of gas from the 8th on. Doesn't matter why, but I don't think we should read too much into it as quitting etc....
That's all it is, he ran out of gas and slowed down, began to get tagged more and was getting hurt, he did the smart thing and accepted he was getting beat and avoided unnecessary punishment.Quote:
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Cotto was physically exhausted. It wasn't a mental loss in my opinion. You could clearly see him running out of gas from the 8th on. Doesn't matter why, but I don't think we should read too much into it as quitting etc....
I disagree with all of you.... of course it was mental, Cotto was not pushing his punches at the end and they still all had snap on them, not to mention he was still moving and his knees were not buckling.. I'm not saying he wasnt exhausted but what prizefighter isint during a grueling battle... Cotto surrendered end of because he was done walking thru hell;)
Margarito snatched his heart and ate Cotto's will
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Originally Posted by WhereWereWeConditioning is a huge factor. We can argue all day as to what came 1st the chicken or the egg. In other words, was Miguel getting caught more because he was gassed? or was Miguel gassed because he was getting caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Given the ease in which he was able to outbox Marg. I think Cotto was definitely gassed out. He looked more like a man who simply could not breath anymore. He took his knee and stood up, he was not dizzy etc just gassed out.
This is a winnable fight for Cotto and anybody pretending Margarito is too much for Miguel is not being realistic. Cotto will be back.
The only place he will be back is on the floor if he gets in the ring with magarito again.
Saturday night Cotto found Himself somewhere He had never been before Hell, Great fighters can come back, lets hope he can after Saturdays performance Im a bit of a fan I was impressed with what I saw, for the first time I might add. Its Horses for courses, He had one Big Shock to his system the other night He had everything He had worked for, many a long year taken away. Lets see how much is left, hope its enougth.
No need to pretend this...everybody knows this...Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereWereWeConditioning is a huge factor. We can argue all day as to what came 1st the chicken or the egg. In other words, was Miguel getting caught more because he was gassed? or was Miguel gassed because he was getting caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Given the ease in which he was able to outbox Marg. I think Cotto was definitely gassed out. He looked more like a man who simply could not breath anymore. He took his knee and stood up, he was not dizzy etc just gassed out.
This is a winnable fight for Cotto and anybody pretending Margarito is too much for Miguel is not being realistic. Cotto will be back.
I had it 50 to 50 before the fight...if there is a rematch I'm leaning to Margarito 55 to 45 or even 60 to 40...But I still want Cotto to win it...
Damn enough is enough. Cotto did the best he can and i think he was winning until the K.O. Diaz in a coma was the last thing on his mind. He was too busy trying to save his own ass. I wish people would just stop making these crappy excuse for him because all thats doing is making him look bad! Please stop it already.
You mean kinda like Margarito, Williams and Cotto all snatched floyds heart and made him retire without even laying a hand on him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I want to see Floyd loose so bad for a long time but hearing people say over and over that Floyd is completely afraid of Cotto and others makes me wanna root for Floyd. I just can't see Cotto and others doing the job to beat him. Cotto gets exposed in every fight and we are yet to see Floyd show clear flaws/weaknesses. You really think Cotto can totally beat Floyd? I wish I could say "Yeah" but I doubt Cotto, Tony, or anybody out there can do the job. After Castillo II, ODLH (split decision, how convicing:rolleyes:), and Hatton, I can't see anybody else do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NYYou mean kinda like Margarito, Williams and Cotto all snatched floyds heart and made him retire without even laying a hand on him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
LOL I heard that after the fight he asked his wife if she was a good witch or a bad witch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
I had Margie by UD.Quote:
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Just making conversation.
DLH wasn't even the real DLH when he fought him, and the first Castillo fight did show some vulnerabilities. Stop making him seem like a god because he beat your boy oscar. Look who oscar is looking to fight now (Pac). That tells you all you need to know about what level fighter he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChinoI want to see Floyd loose so bad for a long time but hearing people say over and over that Floyd is completely afraid of Cotto and others makes me wanna root for Floyd. I just can't see Cotto and others doing the job to beat him. Cotto gets exposed in every fight and we are yet to see Floyd show clear flaws/weaknesses. You really think Cotto can totally beat Floyd? I wish I could say "Yeah" but I doubt Cotto, Tony, or anybody out there can do the job. After Castillo II, ODLH (split decision, how convicing:rolleyes:), and Hatton, I can't see anybody else do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NYYou mean kinda like Margarito, Williams and Cotto all snatched floyds heart and made him retire without even laying a hand on him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
He can run all night and has a decent chance at beating Tony but Tony has just as much chance at beating him given the right situation. He definitely wants no part of Paul Williams . Quintana beat him because he had enough pop to keep him off for stretches. Floyd doesn't like to get his hands dirty so he would be in trouble against a volume puncher with that much size. Cotto has already prover he can do well against faster fighters who are supposed to be better boxers than he is.
I am reading thes responses and it truly disgusts me how you sore losers are making every excuse for the way Cotto lost. Why can't you admit that this great fighter did his best and went out on his shield?
Everytime you try to make an excuse, you cheapen the value and importance of what we were fortunate enough to share. This is an ageless classic--demonstrated by the dozens of people who have shown up at my door to see the fight again and again!
Also, with everyone talking about how much of a true warrior Cotto is, how can you justify that he was concerned for his health???
It just sounds like hateration IMO...
Sure thing Willie, you know you the ring genius and always back up your facts opinions :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bx730NYYou mean kinda like Margarito, Williams and Cotto all snatched floyds heart and made him retire without even laying a hand on him?Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ArawakWarria
I'm pretty sure you can be a true warrior and still choose life over death.
Unless you happen to be a Samurai.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
No i doubt that was on his mind...Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
It's not like he shipped loads of bombs or anything. It was just the mental torture and physical exhaustion from being constantly walked down by a bigger guy.