New Ring Magazine Rankings
I just wanted to share a couple thoughts on the new rankings just released.
1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Joe Calzaghe
3) Juan Manuel Marquez
4) Bernard Hopkins
5) Israel Vasquez
6) Antonio Margarito
7) Kelly Pavlik
8) Cristian Mijares
9) Rafael Marquez
10) Miguel Cotto
-I still feel that JM Marquez should be #2 and Calzaghe is #3.
-I can't help but feel Hopkins is too high in the rankings.
-Margarito at #6 is quite generous. I don't think he should be ahead of Pavlik.
-Anyone else feel bad for Calderon who just made the rankings a short while ago and is out of there already?
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i think calderon deserves a spot more so then mijares.. i like mijares but i think calderons whole style and him bieng undefeated and winning and taking good fights right now is what should have him there.
i do actually sympathise with Bernard being up there.. i think he beat calzaghe and i think actually they think this too.. because okay close enough. the result went in favour of joe.. so they put him up one or two more.. but they think bhop won maybe and want to keep him in the mix becuase he still has the utmost class as a fighter
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It's kind of weird seeing Margarito in the top p4p, what excuses are people going to make to not fight him now. ;D
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It's kind of weird seeing Margarito in the top p4p, what excuses are people going to make to not fight him now. ;D
Lol, i heard someone else say that too, no excuses now, either these guys want the belt or not, all tony has to do is sit and wait.
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Old man Popkins at 4, ha ha
rubbishist rank ever, ain;t even 4 at lhw never mind p4p
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I have no problem with Margo at 6... I mean... Name 7 or 8 people in the world P4P that can beat him. There's your answer.;)
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If you switch Hopkins and Margarito the list looks pretty accurate.
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Well Pavlik will be number two after the Ko of Hopkins
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It be nice to see Pavlik that high but #4 looks about right. Could happen though if JMM isn't impressive or loses vs Casamayor and Kelly looks impressive with a KO on Oct. 18th.
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I don't like that pound for pound list. Hopkins shouldn't be in there anymore. But what really has me stumped is how Cotto is still in there, yet he's been dropped to 3rd in the welterweight ratings, below Paul Williams. How is he a better pound for pound fighter but not as good a welterweight as Williams.
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But what really has me stumped is how Cotto is still in there, yet he's been dropped to 3rd in the welterweight ratings, below Paul Williams. How is he a better pound for pound fighter but not as good a welterweight as Williams.
Divisional rankings is based on recent accomplishments within the division. P4P is based on how a fighter would fare in theoretical fights where everyone is the same weight.
Williams has to be #2 at WW simply because he has a recent victory over the divisions top man.
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I just wanted to share a couple thoughts on the new rankings just released.
1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Joe Calzaghe
3) Juan Manuel Marquez
4) Bernard Hopkins
5) Israel Vasquez
6) Antonio Margarito
7) Kelly Pavlik
8) Cristian Mijares
9) Rafael Marquez
10) Miguel Cotto
-I still feel that JM Marquez should be #2 and Calzaghe is #3.
-I can't help but feel Hopkins is too high in the rankings.
-Margarito at #6 is quite generous. I don't think he should be ahead of Pavlik.
-Anyone else feel bad for Calderon who just made the rankings a short while ago and is out of there already?
I don't think joe is ahead of jmm, IMO pac and jmm are 1 and 2. There fights are way too close. A lot closer then any rivalry in the past decade or more. I like Joe but his not above JMM, if they fought p4p JMM will beat him to a UD.
Hopkins IMO is too high, the guys last good win is against tarver :p
Isreal should be 4th, Pavlik 5th, Rafa 6th. I do not think hopkins, margarito and especially mijares is above them guys. I do not even think mijares should be in top then if calderon is not.
I'll put Margarito at 8th Cotto at 10th and calderon at 7th. No way mijares is in the top 10. Tony with a few more good wins can easily go up to top 5 now though.
Pac is number 1 without a doubt. ;)
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Box rec have changed their ranking again. Pac has moved up to 3 and Joe moved down to 2
1 pavlik
2 calzaghe
3 pac
4 Hopkins
5. Marquez
6 klitschko
7 vasquez
8 donaire
9. margarito
10 Haye
I think they have number 1 and 2 the wrong way round IMO
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Box rec have changed their ranking again. Pac has moved up to 3 and Joe moved down to 2
1 pavlik
2 calzaghe
3 pac
4 Hopkins
5. Marquez
6 klitschko
7 vasquez
8 donaire
9. margarito
10 Haye
I think they have number 1 and 2 the wrong way round IMO
Pav #1... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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GAME
Box rec have changed their ranking again. Pac has moved up to 3 and Joe moved down to 2
1 pavlik
2 calzaghe
3 pac
4 Hopkins
5. Marquez
6 klitschko
7 vasquez
8 donaire
9. margarito
10 Haye
I think they have number 1 and 2 the wrong way round IMO
Pav #1... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I suppose box rec put alot of emphasis on unbeaten records hence the top two are unbeaten and I think if Cotto won last week then hed be up there too .
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Yeah. I'm not sure how their formula works
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Well Pavlik will be number two after the Ko of Hopkins
The sad thing is he could demolish Hopkins and he would still be behind Calfage.
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Ahhh... As much as I love Pavlik and hate Calslappy's style he's earned where he is.
I watched the Lacy fight again the other night and was again awed at the skill in which he dismantled Lacy. He was using his left hand well and many were far from slaps.
He's held the title for ten years and holds the title at LHW as well... Can't really argue with that although I'd like to;D
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Ahhh... As much as I love Pavlik and hate Calslappy's style he's earned where he is.
I watched the Lacy fight again the other night and was again awed at the skill in which he dismantled Lacy. He was using his left hand well and many were far from slaps.
He's held the title for ten years and holds the title at LHW as well... Can't really argue with that although I'd like to;D
Yeah I was kinda forced to respect him too.
I liked him when he was an up and comer and for the 1st couple years of his reign but then he started doing what Hatton did with the WBU belt and Warren kept getting him easy defences . I lost interest in him around this point but then got interested again when he fought Lacy , Kess and Hop and now Id say that he is my favourite boxer right now. Cant argue with what hes done.
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Ahhh... As much as I love Pavlik and hate Calslappy's style he's earned where he is.
I watched the Lacy fight again the other night and was again awed at the skill in which he dismantled Lacy. He was using his left hand well and many were far from slaps.
He's held the title for ten years and holds the title at LHW as well... Can't really argue with that although I'd like to;D
Yeah I was kinda forced to respect him too.
I liked him when he was an up and comer and for the 1st couple years of his reign but then he started doing what Hatton did with the WBU belt and Warren kept getting him easy defences . I lost interest in him around this point but then got interested again when he fought Lacy , Kess and Hop and now Id say that he is my favourite boxer right now. Cant argue with what hes done.
Yeah... Well said. I feel pretty similar
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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GAME
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Ahhh... As much as I love Pavlik and hate Calslappy's style he's earned where he is.
I watched the Lacy fight again the other night and was again awed at the skill in which he dismantled Lacy. He was using his left hand well and many were far from slaps.
He's held the title for ten years and holds the title at LHW as well... Can't really argue with that although I'd like to;D
Yeah I was kinda forced to respect him too.
I liked him when he was an up and comer and for the 1st couple years of his reign but then he started doing what Hatton did with the WBU belt and Warren kept getting him easy defences . I lost interest in him around this point but then got interested again when he fought Lacy , Kess and Hop and now Id say that he is my favourite boxer right now. Cant argue with what hes done.
Yeah... Well said. I feel pretty similar
Now if he beats Hopkins and Calzaghe I would have to put him in the #1 - #2 spot.
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Calzaghe wants no part of him but he'll beat Hopkins
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Box rec have changed their ranking again. Pac has moved up to 3 and Joe moved down to 2
1 pavlik
2 calzaghe
3 pac
4 Hopkins
5. Marquez
6 klitschko
7 vasquez
8 donaire
9. margarito
10 Haye
I think they have number 1 and 2 the wrong way round IMO
Pav #1... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I suppose box rec put alot of emphasis on unbeaten records hence the top two are unbeaten and I think if Cotto won last week then hed be up there too .
To my observation in a long time, yes they do rate fighters higher with unbeaten records. Im not too critical about it but it makes me think where does the GREATS fare if they do this kind of rating system. :confused:
