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Even though Berto's fighting Steve Forbes on September 27th, he says he's ready for Mosley or Margarito.
"I believe we will be fighting Forbes on the 27th and if everything goes well, we will be looking for Margarito and Shane and those top guys next year."
ANDRE BERTO: "SHANE OR MARGARTIO...I'M READY!"
Good luck with that.
LOL
Berto is a fighter who is either as good as he is going to get , or he may end up being a star , im totally undecided which one.
"Shane or Margarito... I'm ready."
For what? A beatin?:LOLATYOU:
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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
No doubt.
I still have questions as far as his chin is. Cosme Rivera{if I remember rightly} barely tapped him, or so it seemed, and the guy was looking in trouble. It's hard to hit him flush, but when he steps it up he's going to get those whiskers tested.
Let's commend him for at least saying the right things. I have a lot of faith that, win or lose, Berto will be amongst the elite at 147 pounds. I think it would be too soon for Margarito, but maybe he could handle Mosley. Both guys would be there for a full 12 rounds, but Mosley doesn't bring KO power. Berto's probably faster and let's be honest, by next year Shane will be 38(?) and if speed is your best asset, then a naturally bigger, younger fighter who's at least as fast as you has a couple ticks in the plus column. If he can beat Mosley impressively I see no reason why he shouldn't take on Margarito. I suspect his power is greater than Cotto's and with his style he might be able to keep Antonio off him. I have to see him fight Mosley before I'll believe that, though.
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Originally Posted by undisputed
If Berto fought Margarito at this point and time all he wouyld be ready for is retirement....
As I said leading up to the Cotto fight....
Margarito is the baddest MoFo in the 147lb division....And that is saying a lot
People have a problem with Ring having him at #6... I can't think of 7 people P4P that can touch him... So I don't get their arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He is absolutly the top guy. I have been pulling for him for a while.
He would obliterate Berto. It wouldn't even be funny... Like people would be cringing.
You Berto lovers listen up!
Berto is a flash in the pan.
I have to see him avenge his loss to Paul Williams before I agree with that. Williams looked pretty dominant his last time out too. Or the 'most feared' could just wait until Williams can't make weight anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
The only thing that i can say is , that is too soon for Berto to take those guys , is like Daxx been saying , probably Berto could get the retirement.........
I agree, I'm a huge Berto fan and been pushing him for a while, but its to soon for him...
Lets say this fight does happen beginning of the year, and Berto hangs with him or by the grace of God squeaks out a victory he will have payed to big a price since he needs to tweak some defensive flaws, although he vastly improved he has a long way to go and would probably not be the same after the fight
Couldn't you say the same about Margarito? Sure he's got a hide as thick as an elephant, but Berto has some CRACK. The fact he's fought at middle and junior middle is testament to him being a big welter. He could very well hurt Margarito in a way no one else has been able to in the past considering Margarito also has defensive flaws and let's be honest- at least early on, Antonio will be absorbing the bulk of the punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Well I agree to an extent, Berto has excellent upperbody movement and ultra fast hands to go with above average power... The thing is he lacks the experience mentally to go in with a guy as seasoned and grizzled as Margarito... Cotto couldnt deal mentally with the pressure and I doubt Berto can too
Like stated if he was to win and get torn up in the process it would be detrimental to his career moving forward to have dealt with such a tall order in Tony.. I would of said the same thing last week before the Cotto fight... Andre is 2 move up with steady competition fights away from MArgarito
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Originally Posted by truth32
I wouldn't call Margo "turtle slow"... and Tony CAN and DOES walk down EVERYONE. He is entirly the man at WW.
Berto would take a vicious beatin from the likes of Margo.
I think thats a bit dramatic thereQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONQuote:
Originally Posted by truth32
I wouldn't call Margo "turtle slow"... and Tony CAN and DOES walk down EVERYONE. He is entirly the man at WW.
Berto would take a vicious beatin from the likes of Margo.
Pretty much. I think Margarito hurts him. And Mosley embarrasses himQuote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
Look, Berto is not a bad fighter but people are to quick to bring up names like Mosley and Margo... Both fighters would dismantle Berto... Not his fault but he's not ready. I just think he's not as special a fighter as everyone thinks. I'm not sold.
true but i dont see marg hitting berto with many shoots also marg doesnt really have one punch knock out power he wares his opp down with punishing shoots but i havnt seen him really drop anyone with one super big punch
You dont need to be, the kid takes care of business 100000%Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
I think Berto can be the best in the division but would say let him make 2 or 3 defences and then mix it with the elite.
Love watching Berto fight he often reminds me of a young Azumah Nelson.
Mmmmm... time will tell... I mean, good for him... Whatever.
all im saying is margo is slow and put him in the ring with some one with great speed and hes gonna have alot of work infromt of him clottey was beating marg until his hand got hurt
Berto can win shane. not margarito
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Originally Posted by truth32
Mmmm... This is true. I mean, we're all entitled to our oppinions. I just don't see how Berto'd keep him off.. He's got some pop, yeah... But so did Cotto and Cotto was the MUCH BETTER boxer.
Cotto boxed brilliantly in the early goings of the fight. Some of the best boxing in his career.
yes cotto out boxed him but cotto is an ok boxer with a weak chin and not much stamina plus cotto puts his head in the middle of his gloves exsposing him for upper cuts if mago would have let more upper cuts go he would have put cotto down in the 8th or 9th burto is quick on his feet quick hands and upper body move ment very hard to hit a guy like that plus his jab is great he wont have to keep him off him stick and move and its on the bag
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Originally Posted by truth32
You're smoking rock if you think Berto's defensive skills are better then Cotto's... Cotto's defense is great where berto's is leaky as hell... Yes, something like this can be fixed but my point is that it hasn't been yet. Berto is the MUCH more hitable guy and when you said "Stick and move and it's in the bag"... I'm sure Cotto thought the same thing.
so let me guess your one of those guys who thinks cotto is fast because he beat a old mosley. cotto is slow he had more of a chance if he would have leaned against the ropes in the early rounds blocked and counter punched he wouldn't have be waisting alot of energy and with as many punches as margo was letting off he would have been the one to get tired cotto quicker then margo yes so since his deffence is so great it sould have been a cake walk. and i didnt say bertos de was better but he has way faster head move ment then cotto and hand speed and foot work with means its even faster then margo hints cotto being faster then margo
Berto is a fine work in progress and exciting to watch but Has done great against grade b & c fighters,Mosley & Margaritio are in an entirely different leauge of level of Comp and experience.I need to see a fighter get tested with solid top notch adversity before I crown him the next super man.I think right now Margarito would ask him questions in there that he would have no answer for and do some serious damage to still green Berto.Mosley still has enough to take him into deep waters as well.
No doubt - Berto should try his hand at someone like Quintana, Judah, or Collazo before getting in with the sharks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
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Originally Posted by bcollinsNo doubt - Berto should try his hand at someone like Quintana, Judah, or Collazo before getting in with the sharks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Exactly. Berto's alligator mouth is overrunning his hummingbird ass.
im saying everyone says they want fighters to step up to the plate and fight the best and when berto says he's ready and wants to do that people put him down like he is talkin to big it could just be me but lately it seems like when a black fighter says there good or can take the big names he's talkin to tough but when margo was saying he was ready for pbf no one said anything or when arum is saying pbf retired because of cotto people are saying arum is dum but thats because he has a history of saying dum stuff and i still dont see people really letting arum have it for his statment we dont knw what berto can do with these guys until he fights them and you can only get ready for the next level by fighting guys on the next level his hand speed and movement is great give him a shoot
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Originally Posted by truth32
Yeah it could be because he is black. :rolleyes:
Or it could be because that Margarito has been in the top class for a long time.
Ok thanks I'll brace myself. Because the opinion a guy who was seriously rating Peter Manfredo's chances of being elite when he joined this forum is practically gospel.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONPeople have a problem with Ring having him at #6... I can't think of 7 people P4P that can touch him... So I don't get their arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
He is absolutly the top guy. I have been pulling for him for a while.
He would obliterate Berto. It wouldn't even be funny... Like people would be cringing.
You Berto lovers listen up!
Berto is a flash in the pan.
he will have enough on his plate trying to get past Forbes.
Hey I have seen the opinions fly around here.. All I gotta say is that Berto is the future of the division.. Big stong natural Welter who can fight the other bigger guys of the division because of his size as well as have all the attributes of the naturally smaller guys with Speed, Reflexes and quickness... I dont get how everyone is on Gamboa's D**k with 11 wins but Berto who has been brought up the absolute best way by Dibella is called a flash in the pan.. Amazing how fickle fans can be..
You'll bitch about an all action fighter with an electrifiying offense and say he neglects defense but you'll bitch at the defensive fighter and say he is boring and to cautious:confused: Berto has been improving steadily and especially defensively against Rodriguez were he was implementing a version of the Philly shell and shoulder rolling more... Which was light years away from were he had been against guys like Rivera and Estrada... I saw him being patient Boxing and then letting the KO come to him
I'm still unsure about him mainly in the defense and chin area and also it will be interesting to see if he has some rough moments does he have a plan B but he's obviously got some natural gifts.
I'm not totally sure about his power either. He can punch but I'm not sure if its really top drawer type of power. If he had to fight one of the two he should probably go for Shane, Margarito's pressure is the worst type of thing for an inexperienced fighter.
I think he'll school Forbes but I haven't seen enough of him to make my mind up as far as the likes of Tony and Shane go. I hope he's good enough though, I'd love to see another ultra talent in the welter div.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
im not saying people dont like him because he's black but i do feel like black fighters do get put in the big mouth section before anyother fighter who could say the exact same thing. and as for margo being at the top rank the only one he beat with any type of skill was cotto who imo isn't great so lets see who margo fights next and how he does before we start giveing him major props
Ohh my eyes.No,I think Margarito is exactly where he deserves to be as far as due respect at the top tier.Look,Berto is well on his way.....to where?Time will tell us that.BTW,You do realize that even Margaritos sparring partner & stable mate KO'd the biggest name on Bertos Resume last week ;D.Just a thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by truth32
dont read between the lines with me i havnt said berto is the greatest but anyone with true speed is going to give margo trouble do to the fact that he is slow i think that would be obvious.