He never really had that many clean KO's nor was he a great closer once he had his man hurt. He had great punching power, but he was no Joe Louis or Julian Jackson when it came to he clean one-punch finish---IMO
What do you think?
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He never really had that many clean KO's nor was he a great closer once he had his man hurt. He had great punching power, but he was no Joe Louis or Julian Jackson when it came to he clean one-punch finish---IMO
What do you think?
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Shaver was a terrific puncher , but p4p Juilian Jackson for me was the hardest 1 shot knockout puncher.
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I read an article on this a few weeks back, but the fact is I can't think of anyone who finished the MAJORITY of their fights with single punch KOs, and the opposition must be taken into account as well. In the same article the author lists guys who were more efficient with the number of punches they needed to knock th other guy out, and kind of discredited the whole point of his writing by putting Tyson in this bracket, who I'd think most would agree is in the accumulation of punches bracket type of finisher.Quote:
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Ernie's power is legendary cause guys who shared the ring with him AND beasts like Lyle and Foreman refer to Ernie as the guy whoi had the most devastating punch.
Yeh that was chilling, Schuler was bout 26-0 at the time, died one week later in a motorcycle accidentQuote:
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I always thought Lennox was the best one-punch knockout fighter
No, he was big punch
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y Earnie Shavers comedy, :confused:Quote:
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this was an interesting thread
this was an interesting thread , then along came shiteater or wot ever the dickheads name is , and that was that .
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Originally Posted by BompI read an article on this a few weeks back, but the fact is I can't think of anyone who finished the MAJORITY of their fights with single punch KOs, and the opposition must be taken into account as well. In the same article the author lists guys who were more efficient with the number of punches they needed to knock th other guy out, and kind of discredited the whole point of his writing by putting Tyson in this bracket, who I'd think most would agree is in the accumulation of punches bracket type of finisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Ernie's power is legendary cause guys who shared the ring with him AND beasts like Lyle and Foreman refer to Ernie as the guy whoi had the most devastating punch.
But every guy who said that beat him. Tillis said his "puncges could change goatpiss to kereosene."
I will take the opinion of Ali and Tex Cobb. Foreman avoided him like the black death.
Stop talking about boxing and making sense! You´re ruining the moment!
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Eddie Greeg floored Cobb and Dee Collier played bounced him off the deck like a yo-yo; The Acorn could not move him. Go figure. :confused:;D
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When James Tillis fought Earnie Shavers really and truthfully Earnie Shavers should of been retired way before that because of his eye problems......Quote:
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Originally Posted by BompI read an article on this a few weeks back, but the fact is I can't think of anyone who finished the MAJORITY of their fights with single punch KOs, and the opposition must be taken into account as well. In the same article the author lists guys who were more efficient with the number of punches they needed to knock th other guy out, and kind of discredited the whole point of his writing by putting Tyson in this bracket, who I'd think most would agree is in the accumulation of punches bracket type of finisher.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Ernie's power is legendary cause guys who shared the ring with him AND beasts like Lyle and Foreman refer to Ernie as the guy whoi had the most devastating punch.
But every guy who said that beat him. Tillis said his "puncges could change goatpiss to kereosene."
Why not ask Muhammad Ali who was the hardest hitter he fought ? or Larry Holmes there the kind of fighters who are no nonsense type of guys and would tell you upfront who was the hardest puncher they fought and guess who they said ? Earnie Shavers and i think they would know better than you considering they were in the ring with him end of topic.
Do you always believe what you hear? iT'S EASY TO PRAISE SOMEONE AFTER YOU BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM. dO YOU HONESTLY THINK SHAVERS HIT HOLMES HARDER THAN TYSON. GOOD GOD, TYSON ALMOST KILLED HIM. ALI WAS NOT DECKED, BUT FRAZIER BROKE HIS JAW.
SHAVERS HAD MERCADO IN BIG TROUBLE BUT COULD NOT FINISH HIM. MERCADO CAME BACK TO FINISH THE ACORN.
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Your only saying that because it flushes your theory down the toilet.......Quote:
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The fact is two great fighters Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, who had been in there with some of the hardest punchers in history......
Said Earnie Shavers was the hardest puncher they fought and i will gladly go with there opinion because they know much more than you do about boxing and they have the added advantage of actually being in the ring with him so they can gauge how hard he hits......
Just because Earnie Shavers couldn't finish a certain fighter off doesn't mean he doesn't his power is overrated thats ridiculous logic we could go back in history of all great punchers who couldn't finish off a certain fighter but on paper it didn't look like they would last 1 round with them......
Infact heres an example for you Sumbu Kalambay fought great punchers like Mike McCallum, Iran Barkley, yet they never even come close to stopping him yet Michael Nunn who was considered a light puncher flattened him in about 1 minute does that mean Iran Barkley and Mike McCallum aren't good punchers ? do you see where your logic fails......
One last question why would Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali lie about Earnie Shavers punching power ? its not like they were ever close friends is it perhaps that it shoots down your theory into flames perhaps ?
Hey, exactly what did Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali say? I know Ali once said, Earnie hit me so hard, it shook my kinfolk back in Africa, but that's diffrent from what you say he said. I do believe Ali once said Charliie Powell hit him harder than anyone else.
As for Holmes, did he say something before or after he was sapped by Tyson?
And why all the hostility? I thought this was a board for expressing boxing opinions. If you are into insults. enjoy yourself, but that's not my thing, mate.
And remember, this is about one-punch power; about knocking someone out cleanly like Hearns did with Duran, Cuevas and Shuler. Hell, Olover McCall has more one-punch power than the Acorn. Check out how mnay Heavyweight Champions he took out.
I don't deny Shaver's power; I just believe it was overrated.
First off i have not once been hostile to you i have just put my point across i didn't think any of my comments were hostile maybe its the way i express myself but trust me i wern't being hostile........Quote:
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Muhammad Ali easily beat Charlie Powell i don't know where you got your information from but both Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have both stated many times that Earnie Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever fought most fans who follow the sport know this and yes Larry Holmes did say that after Mike Tyson fight.......
Earnie Shavers stopped Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, Jimmy Ellis, Roy Williams, all very good fighters and better than anyone Oliver McCall has stopped except Lennox Lewis........
Earnie Shavers when he fought for the title two times fought two of the most skilled and arguably two of toughest Heavyweight champions in history did you see the punch he decked Larry Holmes with ? Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thump the punch was that hard......
And i would love to know how you come to the conclusion that Oliver McCall hits harder than Earnie Shavers because quite frankly i find that an absurd comment no offense but im just telling you straight up and name me the Heavyweights Oliver McCall stopped except Lennox Lewis who are any better than the Heavyweights i mentioned ?
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Muhammad Ali easily beat Charlie Powell i don't know where you got your information from but both Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have both stated many times that Earnie Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever fought most fans who follow the sport know this and yes Larry Holmes did say that after Mike Tyson fight.......
Earnie Shavers stopped Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, Jimmy Ellis, Roy Williams, all very good fighters and better than anyone Oliver McCall has stopped except Lennox Lewis........
Earnie Shavers when he fought for the title two times fought two of the most skilled and arguably two of toughest Heavyweight champions in history did you see the punch he decked Larry Holmes with ? Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thump the punch was that hard......
And i would love to know how you come to the conclusion that Oliver McCall hits harder than Earnie Shavers because quite frankly i find that an absurd comment no offense but im just telling you straight up and name me the Heavyweights Oliver McCall stopped except Lennox Lewis who are any better than the Heavyweights i mentioned ?
McCall knocked out: Oleg Maskaev, Lennox Lewis, Bruce Seldon, Henry Akinwande and Francesco Damiani and all world champions at one time or another.
Common opponents re Shavers
McCall Beat Holmes. Holmes beat Shavers twice.
McCall KOd Brian Yates. Yates KOd Shavers. Yates’ final record: 13 - 86 - 3
McCall was a wrold champion; Shavers was not.
Are you kidding me ? all of those Heavyweights were either mediocre at best or just plain garbage except for Lennox Lewis how the hell can you compare them to Jimmy Ellis, Jimmy Young, Ken Norton.......Quote:
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Originally Posted by holmcall
Muhammad Ali easily beat Charlie Powell i don't know where you got your information from but both Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes have both stated many times that Earnie Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever fought most fans who follow the sport know this and yes Larry Holmes did say that after Mike Tyson fight.......
Earnie Shavers stopped Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, Jimmy Ellis, Roy Williams, all very good fighters and better than anyone Oliver McCall has stopped except Lennox Lewis........
Earnie Shavers when he fought for the title two times fought two of the most skilled and arguably two of toughest Heavyweight champions in history did you see the punch he decked Larry Holmes with ? Larry Holmes hit the canvas with a thump the punch was that hard......
And i would love to know how you come to the conclusion that Oliver McCall hits harder than Earnie Shavers because quite frankly i find that an absurd comment no offense but im just telling you straight up and name me the Heavyweights Oliver McCall stopped except Lennox Lewis who are any better than the Heavyweights i mentioned ?
McCall knocked out: Oleg Maskaev, Lennox Lewis, Bruce Seldon, Henry Akinwande and Francesco Damiani and all world champions at one time or another.
Common opponents re Shavers
McCall Beat Holmes. Holmes beat Shavers twice.
McCall KOd Brian Yates. Yates KOd Shavers. Yates’ final record: 13 - 86 - 3
McCall was a wrold champion; Shavers was not.
You are using facts and stats but they are very misleading Oliver McCall got a lucky punch against Lennox Lewis and Lennox Lewis was still on his feet when the fight was stopped.......
Oliver McCall only managed 1 successful title defense against 45 year old Larry Holmes which was very controversial decision some people including myself thought Larry Holmes deserved to win......
Since you like using facts lets use some facts shall we ? Oliver McCall never come close to knocking down grandpa Larry Holmes despite hitting Larry Holmes with his trademark right hands over and over again......
Where as Earnie Shavers decked a prime Larry Holmes with only one punch and despite Larry Holmes outboxing Earnie Shavers for majority of the fight and Earnie Shavers never landing a telling blow up until the end of the 7th round where the knockdown occured it still only took one bomb on the chin to deck Larry Holmes which almost KO'ed Larry Holmes......
Where as in Oliver McCall's case despite hitting Larry Holems with his best punches he never come close to stopping Larry Holmes or knocking him down so if we are using "facts" then doesn't that mean Earnie Shavers "technically" hits harder than Oliver McCall ?
And your last comment is ridiculous Earnie Shavers lost to Brian Yates in 1995 only having 2 fights in 8 years and was 50 years old your so called "stats" have so many holes.
Earnie was 50 yrs.old when he fought his last fight vs Yates (21 yrs.). A legend from around here in Youngstown (Warren) his first pro fight was in Youngstown. His power isn't at all underrated Ali can pledge to that or ask Ken Norton.
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McCall knocked out: Oleg Maskaev, Lennox Lewis, Bruce Seldon, Henry Akinwande and Francesco Damiani and all world champions at one time or another.
Common opponents re Shavers
McCall Beat Holmes. Holmes beat Shavers twice.
McCall KOd Brian Yates. Yates KOd Shavers. Yates’ final record: 13 - 86 - 3
McCall was a wrold champion; Shavers was not.
You are using facts and stats but they are very misleading Oliver McCall got a lucky punch against Lennox Lewis and Lennox Lewis was still on his feet when the fight was stopped.......
Oliver McCall only managed 1 successful title defense against 45 year old Larry Holmes which was very controversial decision some people including myself thought Larry Holmes deserved to win......
Since you like using facts lets use some facts shall we ? Oliver McCall never come close to knocking down grandpa Larry Holmes despite hitting Larry Holmes with his trademark right hands over and over again......
Where as Earnie Shavers decked a prime Larry Holmes with only one punch and despite Larry Holmes outboxing Earnie Shavers for majority of the fight and Earnie Shavers never landing a telling blow up until the end of the 7th round where the knockdown occured it still only took one bomb on the chin to deck Larry Holmes which almost KO'ed Larry Holmes......
Where as in Oliver McCall's case despite hitting Larry Holems with his best punches he never come close to stopping Larry Holmes or knocking him down so if we are using "facts" then doesn't that mean Earnie Shavers "technically" hits harder than Oliver McCall ?
And your last comment is ridiculous Earnie Shavers lost to Brian Yates in 1995 only having 2 fights in 8 years and was 50 years old your so called "stats" have so many holes.
Look, if we are talking about sheer power, we are on the same page, but if we are talking about one-punch power, I agree Eranie had some real pop; I just think it was overrated.
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