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Outside of Jerry Quarry and Ali, Floyd Patterson comes to mind, Joe Frazier, Hearns, Holyfield; Terry Norris was so bad that at a Nevada State Athletic Commission hearing over his pending re-licensing, he could barely form complete sentences. :cwm36:
I'm sure there are tons of others that come to you guys.
Holyfield really stood out to me, Im a die hard fan of his and I own his career on dvd, which also made me finally realize he has to retire. His post fight interview after the larry donald fight was awful. He said the same thing over and over, umm uhhh well uhh he was uhh he was able to get off before me and uhh you know uhh you know uhhhh. It was very depressing for a holyfield fan to see. But even if he does keep fighting, sadly Ill keep watching.....
Meldrick Taylor os still licensed to fight. or at least he was after the affects of the chavez fight. may question isnt nessarily why, but how could someone do this?
I'm not sure that any of the Commissions would let something like that happen again ??? Yeah, that's wishful thinking at best. I was happy about Terry Norris though, he was great in his prime, but his brain got fairly ravaged pretty quickly. There are a few straight-shooters out there though. I think Flip Homansky is a pretty decent guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum
However, if Holyfield is allowed to lace up gloves again and get in the ring, not only should the sport be indicted, but critics that wanted to repair the ineptitude in the sport like Sen. John McCain should be called to the plate also.
A lack of State Athletic Commissions/poorly run Commissions, meant States were letting a legally blind in one eye fighter (Aaron Pryor), fight as late as 1990, I have little faith in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
But also in defence of some of them; USA law means many are allowed to fight, and if the Commissions banned them, they would get their arses sued.
Tommy Hearns,Ray Leonard,Holyfield
I saw Sandy Sadler at the IBHOF several years ago before he died. Some guy handed him a photo to autograph and he just stared at it. Pretty sad.
I think they need to come up with some sort of regulation about boxers not being allowed to fight.
I can think of a few that should never be allowed in the ring again. Holyfield, Riddiculous Bowe, Thomas Hearns. the list is endless.
I bet most the boxers that are left damaged are those who you don't hear about that are like 14-8 -1 in their careers.
Obviously Ali, Frazier, Ken Norton doesn't sound good either but that could be due to his auto accident, sadly Holyfield, Bowe, and................ Toney has been developing quite a stuttering problem lately, saw him on The Best Damn Sports Show Period and he's starting to trip over the verbage a little.
its because he talks fast. its not the same as the other guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
pugilistic demensia and parkinsons from brain-stem trama and "punch drunk" are differentQuote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Ali is not demented & is all there mentaly
Ray robinson & archie moore ...who would forget stuff & walk slow & make low groaning noises and thinking your in teh Ring again ("demented") ospuglistic demensia
Shaking off the hands & everytihng liek ali is parkinsons ..its more unique to ALI
Punch drunk is just Slowed reaction & slurring of language like Holyfeild ,bowe,Meldrick taylor
just wanna make that clear taht some can have one or more of these illnesses but are not the same
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
Frazier & holyfeild BY NO MEANS HAVE PUGILISTIC DEMENSIA ..WHICH IS BASICLY MORE LIKE ALSEIHNMERS BUT JUST FROM BOXING
frazier & holyfeild have no such symptonms ....most carreer boxers talk slower or slur some as they progress in there 10+ yrs of boxing
but PUGILISTIC DEMENSIA IS LIKE ALSEIMERS
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Originally Posted by Bukom Bomber
I don’t Think Holyfield qualifies for Pugilistic dementia. . From what I can gather he has passed all his medical exams. Evander has never sounded great from a vocal stand point . He was educated at the school of hard knocks. His only problem is he is getting older. It’s age that is sapping him of the assets that made him a champion - hand eye coordination ,speed and stamina . That being said The man should be allowed to make a living in Boxing . Match him up right and he can build his confidence back . Then put him in there with someone in the top 10. Christ Larry Donald was a bad match make ! Evander is not going to get better if he fights once every 1 ½ years . He need to fight often and against some of the sub pare type boxers that Sam Peter has been fighting lately . For building purposes .
honestly there have been studies and it comes down to the person....just look around and you will see people walking around with very similar problems as the fighters...and thse people have never fought in their lives!!!!!!!! The fact that they/media exploit it is horrible.....all the fighters you named is less than 20....I see that many everyday at the store.....the dementia, parkinsons(michael j fox) and alzheimers(Ronald Reagan) are as genetic based as the Pugilistic dementia is caused from boxing.... now if a person starts to show sings of this do we stop them? Do we have the right? Lets say some has this and they are not a fighter...do they have to quit whatever job they are doing because that is what obviously caused their problem? all I'm saying is if you do it for the boxers we need to do it for everyone.... when do you stop....when do you determine that someone is starting to show the effects.... I gathered up plenty of this information because none of the gyms in my area wanted to have amateur boxing in them for fear of BRAIN DAMAGE.....I found studies that compared people that had never had a fight compared to fighters that had on average 70 amateur fights and the neurological tests came back the same there was no difference...the only thing that showed up was barely a loss of finger dexterity...what a shock...so all of this is more genetic than pugilistic.....???????????Quote:
Originally Posted by The Shadow
Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard are still in pretty good shape compared to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcscorpio
i thought The Shadow got resurrected but turns out to be an old thread. i wonder what happened to that fellow?
if you get in a car accident and whack your head off your wind sheild or stirring wheel hard enough u can develope a slurr and slowness ...Ali after the 3rd frazier fight developed a slurr ..Bowe after the holyfeild and golata fights spoke different.....anyway Alis parkinsons is "parkonsons sydrom from brain stem trauma" ..anyway it is boxing that does this to the boxers..Quote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
and yes holyfeils should be aloowed to fight
when you run marothons or any sport and arent conditioned to stay Fully hydrated the whole time ...or if your are but go to the point of exhaustion your brain loses its water ...when your in a sport that involves punches to the head when your brain is dry it swells ...when this happens multipile ties in a career its ineveitable these things happen ...its the price of glory and having heart kinda
anyway thats why its good to have good defence and know when to quit ..it ay mean 20 yrs on your life ...(why i dont blae kostya for not going that 12th round)
Excellent point. these fighters that take fluid off to make weight take a huge risk. because the fluid barrier that cushions the brain from the skull is the last place that gets re-hydrated. About 48 hours or so after weight in ! Subdural Hematomais a greater possibility in a fighter that take that water weight off ! So when you see that over night gain of 14-15 lbs that’s not good !Quote:
Originally Posted by means2184
your right ...james toney doesnt take too many shots ,but veterans like him and ali are able to stay calm and fight tired ...Ali was running 5 miles only for 15 round fights cause he was very much AT HOME in the ring like toney...these fighter especilially need to watch carefully they dont take too many hits ...anyway many fight fan and even fighters dont know all this :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
I know this isn't pugilistic dementia but I thinks there's some correlation with this thread. Frank Bruno and my dad both suffer from a form of depression called bipolar syndrome, my dad boxed 42 amateur fights over 7 years, and I wonder if there's any link. Bipolar is caused by irregular levels of serotonin and dopamine being released at different times, causing over-happiness followed by crushing 'downers' that last much longer. Any insights?
I don't think tere is a connection...that has to do with an irregularity in the way the body produces those chemicals.....I have a friend who's father suffers from depression/Schitzophrenia/bipolar and he never fought a fight in his life...it's a genetic problem....Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Does that mean I'm gonna end up a nut aswell :-\ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bigragu
not exactly.....but there is always a minute chance...very minimal...remember you also share your mothers genes as well and you have your own unique chemical balance going on.....I wouldn't worry about it...they say alcoholism and drug addiction is genetic and my father was both of them and I am neither.....so it is possible that you will always be kinda ok...:) lolQuote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
could be .. Interesting !Quote:
Originally Posted by yoitsdan
Meldrick Taylor, Tommy Hearns, and Evander Holyfield right now could not read a coherrant sentence of 'Dick and Jane'.
Yeah ..... but could they ever?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samson3000
;D
lol i sorta screwed the pooch w/ all the typos on my last post but i fixed it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by means2184
Wilfred Benitez has to be one of the worse cases
http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article71.htm
Quote "He can't walk out of the house by himself because he wouldn't know his way back," Wilfred's mother, Clara, told me recently. "He can't talk," she lamented. "He can't say the word 'cup.' His speech and memory are deteriorating fast. He trembles and can hardly move around."
Yeah, but at least he is not the President of the United StatesQuote:
Originally Posted by englishbob
Nigel Benn slurs alot now...but my god watching PLAYER on Sky you can understand why, all his fights were wars...
Funny story ....one time i got a cuncussion fighting at super heavy and for like a week id stutter sometimes and like food fell out of my mouth while i was chewing (it may have all been in my head) ...but when u get hit w/ a glove it reverberates all the shock to your brain ,where as a bare knuckle punch does most of the damage to the outer part of the skull
i dont have any perminent damage buit even w/ almost 30 amatur fights i get paranoid everytie i stutter or mis prounounce or forget stuff ...(when i was a teenager i found out it was just the weed smoking lol (i'm much more disciplined than in highschool ..i used to eat snacks and school lunches and do soft drugs but at 21 i'm more mature and understanding of the sport ...but yes in a sense ...in a sense brain damage is inevitable in boxing if u make a career out of it...boxers used to have a reputation for being stupid ...and when your get minor cuncussions many ties it does make reasoning & problem solving more difficult (i' not to that point) but if it can happen when u whack your noggin in an accident it sure as hell can happend when u get hit by another an 1000's of times in your life
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Originally Posted by means2184
I reckon you had just been with Wacko too long, eh? Few too many.... ;D
CC lol :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by B@rr3r@
Scott Pemberton come to mind ! he really had a hard time getting the words of the tongue on that interview in his last fight
we went out to a fight card night in E. LA and ran into Bobby Chacon. Those wars in the ring do take a toll on the brain.
What ever happened to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnum
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Originally Posted by Bukom Bomber
I agree, Bowe and Hearns' speach have drastically suffered.
I've got it from a pretty good source that Hearns actually talks to inanimate objects and expects a repsonse...my guy said that he'll talk to anything you put him in front of...I hope my information is not accurateQuote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
As a kid growing up in brooklyn there was this former boxer that would start throwing punches whenever the church bells rang...as kids we thought it was the funniest thing until he hit some old lady and got dragged away sobbing by the cops...I never got his name, I understand he died in the hospital about 6 mos after the incident...