Does Team Margarito has a valid reason to refuse $4M offer from Team Williams?

It's reported that Team Paul Williams offered Margarito $4M for a fight. Does Team Margarito has a valid reason not to accept the $4M offer from Team Williams?

He's waiting for Oscar to pick his next opponent. Hoping it will be him. He knows it would be more profitable. If Oscar doesn't pick him, I'm sure Margarito will take the Williams fight

Floyd Mayweather refused an $8M offer to fight Margarito before... I guess Margo can also refuse this smaller offer in return...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

He's waiting for Oscar to pick his next opponent. Hoping it will be him. He knows it would be more profitable. If Oscar doesn't pick him, I'm sure Margarito will take the Williams fight

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I've read that Arum would like to punish Team Williams for the breakdown of the earlier proposed Pavlik-Williams fight. So for Arum, there's no more business dealing with Team Williams for the meantime...

Arum can easily match-up Margarito with Clottey (both are Top Rank boxers) and this is also a very good fight. Or match-up Margarito with the ever lucky Zab Judah...

Margarito is finally in the spotlight, why fight the one current Welterweight that has the best chance of beating him. Makes sense for Margarito to try abd cash in on his new found fame before he chances a loss against Williams.
If not ODLH he can probably get 4 million or more fighting guys like Mosely Cotto II Clottey II or Judah and all would be much less of a threat.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Margarito is finally in the spotlight, why fight the one current Welterweight that has the best chance of beating him. Makes sense for Margarito to try and cash in on his new found fame before he chances a loss against Williams.
If not ODLH he can probably get 4 million or more fighting guys like Mosely Cotto II Clottey II or Judah and all would be much less of a threat.

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Yeah, Margo can start acting like Mayweather now that he's already in the spotlight...

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Originally Posted by eagle

Margarito is finally in the spotlight, why fight the one current Welterweight that has the best chance of beating him. Makes sense for Margarito to try and cash in on his new found fame before he chances a loss against Williams.
If not ODLH he can probably get 4 million or more fighting guys like Mosely Cotto II Clottey II or Judah and all would be much less of a threat.

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Yeah, Margo can start acting like Mayweather now that he's already in the spotlight...

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I dont think that fighting guys like Mosely, Clottey or Cotto agains are soft options. They are definitely the smarter options IMO.

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Originally Posted by eagle

Margarito is finally in the spotlight, why fight the one current Welterweight that has the best chance of beating him. Makes sense for Margarito to try and cash in on his new found fame before he chances a loss against Williams.
If not ODLH he can probably get 4 million or more fighting guys like Mosely Cotto II Clottey II or Judah and all would be much less of a threat.

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Yeah, Margo can start acting like Mayweather now that he's already in the spotlight...

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I dont think that fighting guys like Mosely, Clottey or Cotto agains are soft options. They are definitely the smarter options IMO.

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I mean Margo can start choosing/picking fights to his liking. I consider him and Paul Williams as the man right now at welter with Clottey at close 2nd.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Floyd Mayweather refused an $8M offer to fight Margarito before... I guess Margo can also refuse this smaller offer in return...

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How many times do I have to explain this... Mayweather excepted a $8M offer to fight Baldomir for the unified welterweight belt, Margo had no credibility at that point.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Floyd Mayweather refused an $8M offer to fight Margarito before... I guess Margo can also refuse this smaller offer in return...

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How many times do I have to explain this... Mayweather excepted a $8M offer to fight Baldomir for the unified welterweight belt, Margo had no credibility at that point.

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You'll never convince some ppl. They believe what they wanna believe.

For sure, a $4M or more offer from other fighters will be valid enough for Margo to decline the Team Williams' offer... More money and less risks...

To some's dismay...;D....Margarito is now a Shot caller.If DelaHoya sweepstakes do not come about,I have no doubt he will look forward to the Williams rematch.Welters are frigging stacked with good fights coming

You know the saying, "If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense." Fans would want to see it, but we aren't what they count on for PPV.

That said, I think Margie's pride makes the re-match, and I'm kind of up in the air on how I think it goes. If Margie gets of early he could get the decision, but I don't see a KO either way. Paul seems to have pretty good beard.

Why is no-one mentioning Cotto Rematch...

Because after the half way point it became a one sided beating.

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Originally Posted by Master

Because after the half way point it became a one sided beating.

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and the other half it was Cotto making Margarito look silly.

Maybe Margarito wont break Cottos nose this time...

To be honest and i am Antonio Margarito fan but i also thought Bob Arum's offer of 8 million dollar was BS.......

Antonio Margarito wasn't a name at that point so i find it hard to believe the 8 million dollar offer if im honest......

Someone just mentioned well maybe Antonio Margarito won't break Miguel Cotto's nose this time ? what a silly comment no offense here but in my opinion your making it sound like it was some sort of freak accident........

Antonio Margarito threw a punch it connected on Miguel Cotto's nose it broke it end of.........

Juan Manuel Marquez had a bad broken nose against Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight in the 1st round but he still fought on without tiring late.......

But regardless i think it was more to do with Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots.

I can't see why ODLH would choose Margarito, way to huge a risk for his final fight.

I would rather see Margarito fight Williams for the RING title anyway.

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Originally Posted by ssss

To be honest and i am Antonio Margarito fan but i also thought Bob Arum's offer of 8 million dollar was BS.......

Antonio Margarito wasn't a name at that point so i find it hard to believe the 8 million dollar offer if im honest......

Someone just mentioned well maybe Antonio Margarito won't break Miguel Cotto's nose this time ? what a silly comment no offense here but in my opinion your making it sound like it was some sort of freak accident........

Antonio Margarito threw a punch it connected on Miguel Cotto's nose it broke it end of.........

Juan Manuel Marquez had a bad broken nose against Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight in the 1st round but he still fought on without tiring late.......

But regardless i think it was more to do with Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots.

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How is it a silly comment you idiot...

Yes Antonio Did throw the punch, yes Antionio did break Cottos nose, yes it did afect him, you try boxing a further 9 rounds with a broken nose and say it doesnt affect you!

I said maybe this time Margo wont Break Cottos nose, and Cotto will be able to breathe better.

Isreal Vazquez broke his nose and had to retire because he couldnt breathe!

there are many different breaks of the nose, some alot worse than others.

I had a broken nose and I didnt even know about it for 2 months!

So if Margarito doesnt break Cottos nose, he will stay in better condition.

And dont give me no bullshit about it not affecting Cotto, his mouth was open the rest of the fight and he was spitting alot of blood out. I have already given credit to Tony for breaking it, as thats what its all about get the advantage over your opponent

but Cotto will fare better next time with the ability to breathe properly

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Originally Posted by Shroomy

Why is no-one mentioning Cotto Rematch...

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I rather see ODLH vs Mayweather which was way more competitive that ended up in a questionable split-decision than Cotto vs Margarito II. Both fought cautiously. ODLH vs Mayweather was far from being a complete destruction and punishment of ODLH like many in here say. Both came out clean. If you want to talk about complete destruction and punishment then watch Margarito vs Cotto.

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and the other half it was Cotto making Margarito look silly.

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I don't think so. The first half Margarito still made Cotto look silly as he kept walking through his "powerful punches" with ease not even breaking a sweat. I see it as a bit humiliating for a guy that is known for his KO power to suddenly face a guy who walks through those punches with no problem. Margarito made Cotto look silly before and after he ran out of gas.

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Originally Posted by Chino

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Originally Posted by Shroomy

Why is no-one mentioning Cotto Rematch...

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I rather see ODLH vs Mayweather which was way more competitive that ended up in a questionable split-decision than Cotto vs Margarito II. Both fought cautiously. ODLH vs Mayweather was far from being a complete destruction and punishment of ODLH like many in here say. Both came out clean. If you want to talk about complete destruction and punishment then watch Margarito vs Cotto.

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and the other half it was Cotto making Margarito look silly.

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I don't think so. The first half Margarito still made Cotto look silly as he kept walking through his "powerful punches" with ease not even breaking a sweat. I see it as a bit humiliating for a guy that is known for his KO power to suddenly face a guy who walks through those punches with no problem. Margarito made Cotto look silly before and after he ran out of gas.

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Right so being punched in the head numerous times DOESNT make you look silly.

So when Mayweather and Tony finally get it on, and Mayhweather runs off all night punching Margo in his head, and wins a wide UD

Who will look silly then, Mayweather for punching a man who could take them all, or Margo for losing a Wide UD

Mayweather is not known for having KO power in his punches like Cotto. Everybody knows that anyone else would probably go down in the first rounds with Cotto's power punches. To see Cotto punching away only to have Tony walk through his punches with ease made Cotto look silly. Imagine Tyson, in his prime, punching a guy directly to his head many many times only to have him walk through them as if he was being hit with pillows. That would be humiliating. Oh man, it would have been priceless to see Margarito pull off a Mayorga stunt and taunt Cotto making fun of his punches and later have the referee and his corner save Cotto's life.

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So when Mayweather and Tony finally get it on, and Mayhweather runs off all night punching Margo in his head, and wins a wide UD Who will look silly then, Mayweather for punching a man who could take them all, or Margo for losing a Wide UD

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That is Mayweather's style and he has won like that numerous times so its nothing new really. Mayweather is known for getting on his bycicle to win. Now, Cotto and Margarito are known for the power they pack in their punches and how they can KO a guy with a punch so having someone walk through their punches can make them look silly. Wouldn't you be intimidated to know how you KO guys all the time and suddenly face a guy who walks through your punches? Cotto's fear/intimidation was clear.

Bob Arum had a minor disaster when Cotto lost to Margarito. His golden goose and huge future money-earner isn't so golden now or as potentially lucrative. But at least he still has the guy who beat him under contract. What he won't do is put Margarito in with a guy who has already beaten him and who could easily beat him again, not while there are other options out there. That would be effectively taking Cotto's mojo and handing it to a Golden Boy fighter, something Arum obviously would like to avoid.

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Originally Posted by ssss

To be honest and i am Antonio Margarito fan but i also thought Bob Arum's offer of 8 million dollar was BS.......

Antonio Margarito wasn't a name at that point so i find it hard to believe the 8 million dollar offer if im honest......

Someone just mentioned well maybe Antonio Margarito won't break Miguel Cotto's nose this time ? what a silly comment no offense here but in my opinion your making it sound like it was some sort of freak accident........

Antonio Margarito threw a punch it connected on Miguel Cotto's nose it broke it end of.........

Juan Manuel Marquez had a bad broken nose against Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight in the 1st round but he still fought on without tiring late.......

But regardless i think it was more to do with Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots.

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How is it a silly comment you idiot...

Yes Antonio Did throw the punch, yes Antionio did break Cottos nose, yes it did afect him, you try boxing a further 9 rounds with a broken nose and say it doesnt affect you!

I said maybe this time Margo wont Break Cottos nose, and Cotto will be able to breathe better.

Isreal Vazquez broke his nose and had to retire because he couldnt breathe!

there are many different breaks of the nose, some alot worse than others.

I had a broken nose and I didnt even know about it for 2 months!

So if Margarito doesnt break Cottos nose, he will stay in better condition.

And dont give me no bullshit about it not affecting Cotto, his mouth was open the rest of the fight and he was spitting alot of blood out. I have already given credit to Tony for breaking it, as thats what its all about get the advantage over your opponent

but Cotto will fare better next time with the ability to breathe properly

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Funny how you lost your temper despite me saying "no offense" you think that makes you look good throwing your toys out of the pram like an immature child ?

First off i have done boxing and have suffered injuries secondly i didn't say the broken nose didn't effect him.....

But i do think Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots also played a vital role even if Miguel Cotto wouldn't have had broken nose it wouldn't have changed the outcome.....

When Miguel Cotto saw his shots were doing nothing to Antonio Margarito he started to get more and more disheartened you could see that by his facial expression's and it wasn't just the broken nose either......

But i hate hearing all of these Miguel Cotto fans saying "if Miguel wouldn't of had broken nose he would of won" to be honest i find that a ridiculous comment by these Miguel Cotto fans because Antonio Margarito was the one that done it.......

Its not like Antonio Margarito had a 2 on 1 handicap vs Miguel Cotto and if there boy would of won you wouldn't of heard nothing about the broken nose from the Miguel Cotto fans and that is fact.

After that performance vs Cotto, Margarito deserves a chance to pick and choose the best money fight. If its Oscar, he could get $12M+, he'd be crazy to take a fight with Williams for a 3rd of that. Oscar is probably fighting Pacman though.How about Williams-Cotto? Margo can fight Clottey and after he beats him he can face the Williams-Cotto winner for a lot more than $4M.

Its Tony's time to cash in. He earned it and can pick and choose who he wants without being called a ducker by me.

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Originally Posted by Chino

Mayweather is not known for having KO power in his punches like Cotto. Everybody knows that anyone else would probably go down in the first rounds with Cotto's power punches. To see Cotto punching away only to have Tony walk through his punches with ease made Cotto look silly. Imagine Tyson, in his prime, punching a guy directly to his head many many times only to have him walk through them as if he was being hit with pillows. That would be humiliating. Oh man, it would have been priceless to see Margarito pull off a Mayorga stunt and taunt Cotto making fun of his punches and later have the referee and his corner save Cotto's life.

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So when Mayweather and Tony finally get it on, and Mayhweather runs off all night punching Margo in his head, and wins a wide UD Who will look silly then, Mayweather for punching a man who could take them all, or Margo for losing a Wide UD

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That is Mayweather's style and he has won like that numerous times so its nothing new really. Mayweather is known for getting on his bycicle to win. Now, Cotto and Margarito are known for the power they pack in their punches and how they can KO a guy with a punch so having someone walk through their punches can make them look silly. Wouldn't you be intimidated to know how you KO guys all the time and suddenly face a guy who walks through your punches? Cotto's fear/intimidation was clear.

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great...

can you answer my original question please

If Mayweather punches tony all night and tony takes em all whilst losing to a wide UD

who will look stupider

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To be honest and i am Antonio Margarito fan but i also thought Bob Arum's offer of 8 million dollar was BS.......

Antonio Margarito wasn't a name at that point so i find it hard to believe the 8 million dollar offer if im honest......

Someone just mentioned well maybe Antonio Margarito won't break Miguel Cotto's nose this time ? what a silly comment no offense here but in my opinion your making it sound like it was some sort of freak accident........

Antonio Margarito threw a punch it connected on Miguel Cotto's nose it broke it end of.........

Juan Manuel Marquez had a bad broken nose against Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight in the 1st round but he still fought on without tiring late.......

But regardless i think it was more to do with Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots.

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How is it a silly comment you idiot...

Yes Antonio Did throw the punch, yes Antionio did break Cottos nose, yes it did afect him, you try boxing a further 9 rounds with a broken nose and say it doesnt affect you!

I said maybe this time Margo wont Break Cottos nose, and Cotto will be able to breathe better.

Isreal Vazquez broke his nose and had to retire because he couldnt breathe!

there are many different breaks of the nose, some alot worse than others.

I had a broken nose and I didnt even know about it for 2 months!

So if Margarito doesnt break Cottos nose, he will stay in better condition.

And dont give me no bullshit about it not affecting Cotto, his mouth was open the rest of the fight and he was spitting alot of blood out. I have already given credit to Tony for breaking it, as thats what its all about get the advantage over your opponent

but Cotto will fare better next time with the ability to breathe properly

twat

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Funny how you lost your temper despite me saying "no offense" you think that makes you look good throwing your toys out of the pram like an immature child ?

First off i have done boxing and have suffered injuries secondly i didn't say the broken nose didn't effect him.....

But i do think Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots also played a vital role even if Miguel Cotto wouldn't have had broken nose it wouldn't have changed the outcome.....

When Miguel Cotto saw his shots were doing nothing to Antonio Margarito he started to get more and more disheartened you could see that by his facial expression's and it wasn't just the broken nose either......

But i hate hearing all of these Miguel Cotto fans saying "if Miguel wouldn't of had broken nose he would of won" to be honest i find that a ridiculous comment by these Miguel Cotto fans because Antonio Margarito was the one that done it.......

Its not like Antonio Margarito had a 2 on 1 handicap vs Miguel Cotto and if there boy would of won you wouldn't of heard nothing about the broken nose from the Miguel Cotto fans and that is fact.

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there was no offence taken my freind

i just think you are a twat

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first anyone talkin about a margo clottey fight must not have seen the first fight clottey was clearly winning clearly, margo couldn't even knock clottey out even with clottey not useing one of his hands. what i wanna know for anyone backing margos choice to not fight for the 4mill how does one fighter get put down for looking for the big paydays and another get called smart for it? because i dont think pbf was worried about margo at all it would be easy work for him i think at margos state in boxing even if pbf would have beat him no one would have cared when he doesn't fight him he dodgeing him if he would have faught him they would have said he beat a no namer. roger mayweather was even asked who would give pbf the most trouble cotto or margo he said niether that it would be williams

This is the Welterweight fight I want to see - the fight to prove who is No.1. Williams I believe just has the style to beat Margarito.

Andre Berto isn't ready. Though he could develop into the best of the lot and possibly matching Berto against Cotto would be a good fight rather than throwing either in with Margarito next.

Then again the Cotto vs Margarito fight was a big hit with the fans and I'm sure a rematch would make big numbers maybe a case of whether Cotto wants to jump straight back in.

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How is it a silly comment you idiot...

Yes Antonio Did throw the punch, yes Antionio did break Cottos nose, yes it did afect him, you try boxing a further 9 rounds with a broken nose and say it doesnt affect you!

I said maybe this time Margo wont Break Cottos nose, and Cotto will be able to breathe better.

Isreal Vazquez broke his nose and had to retire because he couldnt breathe!

there are many different breaks of the nose, some alot worse than others.

I had a broken nose and I didnt even know about it for 2 months!

So if Margarito doesnt break Cottos nose, he will stay in better condition.

And dont give me no bullshit about it not affecting Cotto, his mouth was open the rest of the fight and he was spitting alot of blood out. I have already given credit to Tony for breaking it, as thats what its all about get the advantage over your opponent

but Cotto will fare better next time with the ability to breathe properly

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Funny how you lost your temper despite me saying "no offense" you think that makes you look good throwing your toys out of the pram like an immature child ?

First off i have done boxing and have suffered injuries secondly i didn't say the broken nose didn't effect him.....

But i do think Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots also played a vital role even if Miguel Cotto wouldn't have had broken nose it wouldn't have changed the outcome.....

When Miguel Cotto saw his shots were doing nothing to Antonio Margarito he started to get more and more disheartened you could see that by his facial expression's and it wasn't just the broken nose either......

But i hate hearing all of these Miguel Cotto fans saying "if Miguel wouldn't of had broken nose he would of won" to be honest i find that a ridiculous comment by these Miguel Cotto fans because Antonio Margarito was the one that done it.......

Its not like Antonio Margarito had a 2 on 1 handicap vs Miguel Cotto and if there boy would of won you wouldn't of heard nothing about the broken nose from the Miguel Cotto fans and that is fact.

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there was no offence taken my freind

i just think you are a twat

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Very mature response my response back is i don't think your anything i don't consider you a real poster you couldn't reply to any of my comments when you realized you were wrong and took the easy way out with a childish response.

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This is the Welterweight fight I want to see - the fight to prove who is No.1. Williams I believe just has the style to beat Margarito.

Andre Berto isn't ready. Though he could develop into the best of the lot and possibly matching Berto against Cotto would be a good fight rather than throwing either in with Margarito next.

Then again the Cotto vs Margarito fight was a big hit with the fans and I'm sure a rematch would make big numbers maybe a case of whether Cotto wants to jump straight back in.

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This is the fight I wanna see too WelshDevil although I think Tony will win this time

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Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN

You know the saying, "If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense." Fans would want to see it, but we aren't what they count on for PPV.

That said, I think Margie's pride makes the re-match, and I'm kind of up in the air on how I think it goes. If Margie gets of early he could get the decision, but I don't see a KO either way. Paul seems to have pretty good beard.

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If Margo gets going early I think he can KO Williams. He had Williams hurt a few times late in that fight.

I think Tony will fight Clotty, if he wins that I see him fighting Mosely. After that maybe the Williams fight can be made. The man in the Williams camp that Arum is upset with is Al Haymon. He was an advisor with Floyd who Arum had numerous problems with. I think this latest think in the negotiations with Williams-Pavlik is the final straw.

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Originally Posted by ssss

To be honest and i am Antonio Margarito fan but i also thought Bob Arum's offer of 8 million dollar was BS.......

Antonio Margarito wasn't a name at that point so i find it hard to believe the 8 million dollar offer if im honest......

Someone just mentioned well maybe Antonio Margarito won't break Miguel Cotto's nose this time ? what a silly comment no offense here but in my opinion your making it sound like it was some sort of freak accident........

Antonio Margarito threw a punch it connected on Miguel Cotto's nose it broke it end of.........

Juan Manuel Marquez had a bad broken nose against Manny Pacquiao in there 1st fight in the 1st round but he still fought on without tiring late.......

But regardless i think it was more to do with Antonio Margarito's constant pressure and body shots.

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How is it a silly comment you idiot...

Yes Antonio Did throw the punch, yes Antionio did break Cottos nose, yes it did afect him, you try boxing a further 9 rounds with a broken nose and say it doesnt affect you!

I said maybe this time Margo wont Break Cottos nose, and Cotto will be able to breathe better.

Isreal Vazquez broke his nose and had to retire because he couldnt breathe!

there are many different breaks of the nose, some alot worse than others.

I had a broken nose and I didnt even know about it for 2 months!

So if Margarito doesnt break Cottos nose, he will stay in better condition.

And dont give me no bullshit about it not affecting Cotto, his mouth was open the rest of the fight and he was spitting alot of blood out. I have already given credit to Tony for breaking it, as thats what its all about get the advantage over your opponent

but Cotto will fare better next time with the ability to breathe properly

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Being alittle abrasive dont you think? He offered an opinion so now he is an Idiot and a twat because he dosent agree with you? Interesting that someone would debate you on a boxing forum...... weird :headscratch: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

He's waiting for Oscar to pick his next opponent. Hoping it will be him. He knows it would be more profitable. If Oscar doesn't pick him, I'm sure Margarito will take the Williams fight

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I've read that Arum would like to punish Team Williams for the breakdown of the earlier proposed Pavlik-Williams fight. So for Arum, there's no more business dealing with Team Williams for the meantime...

Arum can easily match-up Margarito with Clottey (both are Top Rank boxers) and this is also a very good fight. Or match-up Margarito with the ever lucky Zab Judah...

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Well first like VD said Margarito is waiting to see who DLH next opp will be...After the Cotto bout I don't think Tony should hold his breath...After the mark up Forbes did on DLH face Margarito might disfigure him for life....

I am not sure about the whole Pavlik/Williams fight (One where Williams would have been brutally knocked out in)....I do know there are some hard feelings abouth the fact Williams was not willing to rematch Margarito and waited a yeard before stepping back in the ring and with a different opponent

And what the hell...Williams was in no rush to give Tony his rematch but now after Tony beats Cotto the hottest fighter in boxing at the moment he is going to decide he wants a rematch?...Who the hell is he to think he calls the shots be it he has a win over Tony or not?...That win and his win over Quintana are his only 2 wins over top level opp....earn your moment in the spotlight...Here is an idea defend you title

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Originally Posted by Chino

Mayweather is not known for having KO power in his punches like Cotto. Everybody knows that anyone else would probably go down in the first rounds with Cotto's power punches. To see Cotto punching away only to have Tony walk through his punches with ease made Cotto look silly. Imagine Tyson, in his prime, punching a guy directly to his head many many times only to have him walk through them as if he was being hit with pillows. That would be humiliating. Oh man, it would have been priceless to see Margarito pull off a Mayorga stunt and taunt Cotto making fun of his punches and later have the referee and his corner save Cotto's life.

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So when Mayweather and Tony finally get it on, and Mayhweather runs off all night punching Margo in his head, and wins a wide UD Who will look silly then, Mayweather for punching a man who could take them all, or Margo for losing a Wide UD

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That is Mayweather's style and he has won like that numerous times so its nothing new really. Mayweather is known for getting on his bycicle to win. Now, Cotto and Margarito are known for the power they pack in their punches and how they can KO a guy with a punch so having someone walk through their punches can make them look silly. Wouldn't you be intimidated to know how you KO guys all the time and suddenly face a guy who walks through your punches? Cotto's fear/intimidation was clear.

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great...
can you answer my original question please
If Mayweather punches tony all night and tony takes em all whilst losing to a wide UD
who will look stupider

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I thought I answered it. Oh well, I'll try again.
It's Mayweather's style to fight like that and he does it over and over. So doing it to Margarito and Cotto wouldn't really be all that surprising or making them look silly. It would just be "Oh, Mayweather won once again as usual with his not-so-cool style". Now, it would look silly if Mayweather did his usual fight on his bycicle but got caught with a punch that knocks him down every time he wanted to ride his bycicle. Or if he was in the ropes trying to slip punches and shoulder roll as he usually does but got clean punches all the time. It would make him look silly because he has won so many fights like that and people know how successful it works. So, wouldn't that be silly to see his style not working AT ALL. Well, same thing with Cotto. Sure, he gets exposed in all his fights and tires halfway through but he can pack a punch. No wonder he has all those KOs in his record. So you have this guy who KOs guys here and there and suddenly his punches loose their snap and have a guy walk through them with ease until he gets saved by the referee and his corner throws the towel. That's what I mean when I say that Cotto may have looked silly. I can understand why he had that expression on his face throughout the fight. When he saw his punches didn't do anyhting compared to past fights, in his mind, I can imagine he already lost the fight.

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Why is no-one mentioning Cotto Rematch...

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I rather see ODLH vs Mayweather which was way more competitive that ended up in a questionable split-decision than Cotto vs Margarito II. Both fought cautiously. ODLH vs Mayweather was far from being a complete destruction and punishment of ODLH like many in here say. Both came out clean. If you want to talk about complete destruction and punishment then watch Margarito vs Cotto.

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and the other half it was Cotto making Margarito look silly.

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I don't think so. The first half Margarito still made Cotto look silly as he kept walking through his "powerful punches" with ease not even breaking a sweat. I see it as a bit humiliating for a guy that is known for his KO power to suddenly face a guy who walks through those punches with no problem. Margarito made Cotto look silly before and after he ran out of gas.

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I will not refute the fact that Cotto was seriosuly hurt because he was, but to say that he was looking silly for the first half of the fight outboxing a guy that is almost 4 inches taller than him and is naturally bigger is quite impressive. Size does make a difference I just saw the Antonio Margarito fight a while ago and he was struggling against a guy bigger than him in Daniel Santos. Not making excuses by the way just stating the fact.

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Originally Posted by Chino

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Originally Posted by Shroomy

Why is no-one mentioning Cotto Rematch...

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I rather see ODLH vs Mayweather which was way more competitive that ended up in a questionable split-decision than Cotto vs Margarito II. Both fought cautiously. ODLH vs Mayweather was far from being a complete destruction and punishment of ODLH like many in here say. Both came out clean. If you want to talk about complete destruction and punishment then watch Margarito vs Cotto.

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and the other half it was Cotto making Margarito look silly.

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I don't think so. The first half Margarito still made Cotto look silly as he kept walking through his "powerful punches" with ease not even breaking a sweat. I see it as a bit humiliating for a guy that is known for his KO power to suddenly face a guy who walks through those punches with no problem. Margarito made Cotto look silly before and after he ran out of gas.

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I will not refute the fact that Cotto was seriosuly hurt because he was, but to say that he was looking silly for the first half of the fight outboxing a guy that is almost 4 inches taller than him and is naturally bigger is quite impressive. Size does make a difference I just saw the Antonio Margarito fight a while ago and he was struggling against a guy bigger than him in Daniel Santos. Not making excuses by the way just stating the fact.

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Good point. Well, sure, he was outboxing Margarito but the punches that have KOed many other guys had no effect on Margarito. At first, I thought those punches would take its toll later on the fight and start to wear Margarito off but Margarito kept coming back for more and didn't seem like he would go down.

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Originally Posted by Chino

I rather see ODLH vs Mayweather which was way more competitive that ended up in a questionable split-decision than Cotto vs Margarito II. Both fought cautiously. ODLH vs Mayweather was far from being a complete destruction and punishment of ODLH like many in here say. Both came out clean. If you want to talk about complete destruction and punishment then watch Margarito vs Cotto.

I don't think so. The first half Margarito still made Cotto look silly as he kept walking through his "powerful punches" with ease not even breaking a sweat. I see it as a bit humiliating for a guy that is known for his KO power to suddenly face a guy who walks through those punches with no problem. Margarito made Cotto look silly before and after he ran out of gas.

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I will not refute the fact that Cotto was seriosuly hurt because he was, but to say that he was looking silly for the first half of the fight outboxing a guy that is almost 4 inches taller than him and is naturally bigger is quite impressive. Size does make a difference I just saw the Antonio Margarito fight a while ago and he was struggling against a guy bigger than him in Daniel Santos. Not making excuses by the way just stating the fact.

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Good point. Well, sure, he was outboxing Margarito but the punches that have KOed many other guys had no effect on Margarito. At first, I thought those punches would take its toll later on the fight and start to wear Margarito off but Margarito kept coming back for more and didn't seem like he would go down.

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That's Margarito's asset definitely his chin, but I still would love to see Miguel Cotto get a rematch. I still believe Miguel has a bigger punch than Tony just so happens he wilted before Margarito. It's still a toss up IMO.

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Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN

You know the saying, "If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense." Fans would want to see it, but we aren't what they count on for PPV.

That said, I think Margie's pride makes the re-match, and I'm kind of up in the air on how I think it goes. If Margie gets of early he could get the decision, but I don't see a KO either way. Paul seems to have pretty good beard.

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If Margo gets going early I think he can KO Williams. He had Williams hurt a few times late in that fight.

I think Tony will fight Clotty, if he wins that I see him fighting Mosely. After that maybe the Williams fight can be made. The man in the Williams camp that Arum is upset with is Al Haymon. He was an advisor with Floyd who Arum had numerous problems with. I think this latest think in the negotiations with Williams-Pavlik is the final straw.

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I dont think Tony can ever stop Paul cuz wont be in punching range long enough to land his "wear em down" type of shots . Paul has the range mastered and will just back off if Tony lands a couple. Tony IMO is not a 1 punch hitter and will need to land alot on Paul.

He may have got to the smaller Cotto late on but Williams is still a superior technical boxer and will just keep his right glove in Tonys face. Paul took his foot off the gas in the last fight around round 6. This time I think he will just keep his foot down and keep outboxing Tony for the full 12 .

As many times as he's been avoided i'll give him a pass to try and make a huge oscar/tony mexi-mega fight. He just better not loose cause i want to see that williams rematch, who doesn't