Furious with Oscar

The title says it all really.


"Hi, my name is Oscar de la Hoya. I've brought you many action packed fights over the years and I never ducked anyone. Until now. I was going to fight Miguel Cotto and you all loved me for it and praised my grit. Since he got thrashed by Antonio Margarito, Im going to fight Manny Pacquaio instead."


Wtf is this? Hopefully Ive missed some threads on the subject as i would expect more to be demanding a fight with Margarito.


Oscar/Pac is a NO WIN fight for Oscar. Oscar wins, it was against a teeny tiny featherweight who made the mistake of jumping up too far, ala Ricky Hatton. Oscar loses, yea... nice exit Oscar.

Here's the thing, though. Oscar CANT beat Manny. Manny will absolutely light Oscar up and force a stoppage or late tko.

Furious. Oscar, if you were gung-ho on fighting Miguel, you need to be just as adamant to fight Antonio. I cannot believe this stupid fight is taking shape. Wake me when its over, im going to pout.

I like a heck of alot of green peas myself, slightly minted and buttered.

Yeah to the rest of it. What exact weight would manny fight him at?

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It doesn't say green peas Andre


It could be another thing:-X



Yeah, DLH should fight Cotto and Margarito and not Manny PAC, if wont be a nice exit for oscar if he's beaten by a tiny fighter.


Go get your own size Golden Boy and not because it will earn the biggest dollar

I really don't mind this fight. The reason is I'd much rather see Margarito in a rematch with Williams.

I really think Margarito should get the fight with Oscar but I can't see it happening as the $$$'s a DLH/ Pac fight will generate will be crazy.

Plus Margarito/ Williams 2 will fill the vacant championship at 147

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I really don't mind this fight. The reason is I'd much rather see Margarito in a rematch with Williams.

I really think Margarito should get the fight with Oscar but I can't see it happening as the $$$'s a DLH/ Pac fight will generate will be crazy.

Plus Margarito/ Williams 2 will fill the vacant championship at 147

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Agree 100% with that and if the winner of Margarito/Williams doesn't pull PBF out of retirement nothing will.

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I really don't mind this fight. The reason is I'd much rather see Margarito in a rematch with Williams.

I really think Margarito should get the fight with Oscar but I can't see it happening as the $$$'s a DLH/ Pac fight will generate will be crazy.

Plus Margarito/ Williams 2 will fill the vacant championship at 147

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Agree 100% with that and if the winner of Margarito/Williams doesn't pull PBF out of retirement nothing will.

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PBF needs come out of retirement to put on one more performance against these guys. I think Cotto will give him problems.

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I really don't mind this fight. The reason is I'd much rather see Margarito in a rematch with Williams.

I really think Margarito should get the fight with Oscar but I can't see it happening as the $$$'s a DLH/ Pac fight will generate will be crazy.

Plus Margarito/ Williams 2 will fill the vacant championship at 147

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Agree 100% with that and if the winner of Margarito/Williams doesn't pull PBF out of retirement nothing will.

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PBF needs come out of retirement to put on one more performance against these guys. I think Cotto will give him problems.

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Not only that but his inactivity will definately hurt him as well. I think the best fight for PBF would be the winner of Margarito/Williams II if that ever happens.

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Agree 100% with that and if the winner of Margarito/Williams doesn't pull PBF out of retirement nothing will.

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PBF needs come out of retirement to put on one more performance against these guys. I think Cotto will give him problems.

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Not only that but his inactivity will definately hurt him as well. I think the best fight for PBF would be the winner of Margarito/Williams II if that ever happens.

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Personally I think Floyd beats both Margarito & Cotto. But killers right the inactivity could be costly. Floyd is supposedly a gym rat so I'd assume he'd be in great shape if he came back but there is certain to be rust.

If a Margarito/ Williams 2 fight comes off then I agree that would be the perfect opponent for Mayweathers comeback.

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PBF needs come out of retirement to put on one more performance against these guys. I think Cotto will give him problems.

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Not only that but his inactivity will definately hurt him as well. I think the best fight for PBF would be the winner of Margarito/Williams II if that ever happens.

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Personally I think Floyd beats both Margarito & Cotto. But killers right the inactivity could be costly. Floyd is supposedly a gym rat so I'd assume he'd be in great shape if he came back but there is certain to be rust.

If a Margarito/ Williams 2 fight comes off then I agree that would be the perfect opponent for Mayweathers comeback.

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If its at all in his mind, you can bet theres some hard sparring going on.

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Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas

Oscar/Pac is a NO WIN fight for Oscar.

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Which is why Oscar shouldn't be criticized for taking it. I've never been a big Oscar fan, but if there's one thing that you can never criticize about Oscar, it's his list of opponents. It's second to none. He's always taken on the big challenges. If he fights Pac, it will be the second time in ~18 months that Oscar will be fighting the #1 PFP fighter in the world. Give him respect for that.

If Tony were as popular as Manny, Oscar would fight him. Maybe Tony should have went through the trouble of learning english like Cotto and Pac did.

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Agree 100% with that and if the winner of Margarito/Williams doesn't pull PBF out of retirement nothing will.

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PBF needs come out of retirement to put on one more performance against these guys. I think Cotto will give him problems.

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Not only that but his inactivity will definately hurt him as well. I think the best fight for PBF would be the winner of Margarito/Williams II if that ever happens.

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Inactivity?

He hs been retired about a month.......

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PBF needs come out of retirement to put on one more performance against these guys. I think Cotto will give him problems.

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Not only that but his inactivity will definately hurt him as well. I think the best fight for PBF would be the winner of Margarito/Williams II if that ever happens.

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Inactivity?

He hs been retired about a month.......

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True, but December 8th was his last fight.
His previous fight was May 5th of last year.

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Not only that but his inactivity will definately hurt him as well. I think the best fight for PBF would be the winner of Margarito/Williams II if that ever happens.

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Inactivity?

He hs been retired about a month.......

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True, but December 8th was his last fight.
His previous fight was May 5th of last year.

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And by the time Williams/Margarito happens IF it happens would put a match against Mayweather around May-June of '09 I have no doubt that Floyd is in shape and keeping up in the gym, but if he's not sparring, that's a huge issue. Skills wise Floyd mops the floor with either, but they both present the same problem the reach of a heavyweight and a non-stop assault, that would be difficult for someone of Floyds size and while the counter argument is Diego Corrales (RIP), Corrales was a very different fighter than Margarito and Williams, he was more selective with his power shots. One things for sure Floyd CANNOT lay on the ropes against either.

Floyd IS retired, he said it. Sure, there are topics about "What would happen if X fought Y" but talking about him as if he would fight in certain date of the year and so on seems a bit ridiculous. Until he makes it public that he's coming back then we'll see.

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Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas

The title says it all really.


"Hi, my name is Oscar de la Hoya. I've brought you many action packed fights over the years and I never ducked anyone. Until now. I was going to fight Miguel Cotto and you all loved me for it and praised my grit. Since he got thrashed by Antonio Margarito, Im going to fight Manny Pacquaio instead."


Wtf is this? Hopefully Ive missed some threads on the subject as i would expect more to be demanding a fight with Margarito.


Oscar/Pac is a NO WIN fight for Oscar. Oscar wins, it was against a teeny tiny featherweight who made the mistake of jumping up too far, ala Ricky Hatton. Oscar loses, yea... nice exit Oscar.

Here's the thing, though. Oscar CANT beat Manny. Manny will absolutely light Oscar up and force a stoppage or late tko.

Furious. Oscar, if you were gung-ho on fighting Miguel, you need to be just as adamant to fight Antonio. I cannot believe this stupid fight is taking shape. Wake me when its over, im going to pout.

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This is the most retarded comment I have ever read on here. Margarito has nothing that oscar needs.

Was Robinson criticized for facing Henry Armstrong, was Hagler criticized for facing Leonard? This is complete bullshit give Oscar a break, he has foughten every person, people have wanted him to so leave him alone
He fought
Hopkins, Trinidad, Camacho, Chavezx2, Mosleyx2, Mayorga, Vargas, Quartey, Whitaker, G. Hernandez, Ruelas, Molina, Leija, Castillejo, Sturm, Gatti.

If you aren't happy with this list then nobodies list in the past 25 years will suffice. We know Pacquaio is a great fighter, but we don't know how good he will be, but I still think Margarito is a style that Oscar beats pretty easily.

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Was Robinson criticized for facing Henry Armstrong, was Hagler criticized for facing Leonard? This is complete bullshit give Oscar a break, he has foughten every person, people have wanted him to so leave him alone
He fought
Hopkins, Trinidad, Camacho, Chavezx2, Mosleyx2, Mayorga, Vargas, Quartey, Whitaker, G. Hernandez, Ruelas, Molina, Leija, Castillejo, Sturm, Gatti.

If you aren't happy with this list then nobodies list in the past 25 years will suffice. We know Pacquaio is a great fighter, but we don't know how good he will be, but I still think Margarito is a style that Oscar beats pretty easily.

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People diss ODLH for anything he does but besides being a gold medalist can we compare any other guy's list of opponents with his? By his 13th fight he was already facing a BIG NAME who was not passed his prime. After that, bunch of big fights ONE AFTER THE OTHER: Hopkins, Trinidad, Camacho, Chavezx2, Mosleyx2 (did he really loose the 2nd one?), Mayorga, Vargas, Quartey, Whitaker, G. Hernandez, Ruelas, Molina, Leija, Carr, Kamau, Castillejo, Sturm, Gatti. Sure, Cotto, Margarito, and Pac have their qualities but can we say they have a comparable list of opponents and accomplishments as ODLH?

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If Tony were as popular as Manny, Oscar would fight him. Maybe Tony should have went through the trouble of learning english like Cotto and Pac did.

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I thought Margarito was born here in CALI, there is no reason for him not to be able to speak English. The Philippines is halfway across the planet, and yet majority of us speaks the language:-\

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Was Robinson criticized for facing Henry Armstrong, was Hagler criticized for facing Leonard? This is complete bullshit give Oscar a break, he has foughten every person, people have wanted him to so leave him alone
He fought
Hopkins, Trinidad, Camacho, Chavezx2, Mosleyx2, Mayorga, Vargas, Quartey, Whitaker, G. Hernandez, Ruelas, Molina, Leija, Castillejo, Sturm, Gatti.

If you aren't happy with this list then nobodies list in the past 25 years will suffice. We know Pacquaio is a great fighter, but we don't know how good he will be, but I still think Margarito is a style that Oscar beats pretty easily.

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Oscar has all the qualities a great fighter needs. Skill, power, speed, CHIN and SIZE, Prime for Prime Oscar beats Margarito. At this stage of their career most probably a close UD win for Oscar or might get stopped like Miguel. At 147lbs like Margarito, Oscar is a BIG WELTER!!!

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Originally Posted by Small Amount of Peas

The title says it all really.


"Hi, my name is Oscar de la Hoya. I've brought you many action packed fights over the years and I never ducked anyone. Until now. I was going to fight Miguel Cotto and you all loved me for it and praised my grit. Since he got thrashed by Antonio Margarito, Im going to fight Manny Pacquaio instead."


Wtf is this? Hopefully Ive missed some threads on the subject as i would expect more to be demanding a fight with Margarito.


Oscar/Pac is a NO WIN fight for Oscar. Oscar wins, it was against a teeny tiny featherweight who made the mistake of jumping up too far, ala Ricky Hatton. Oscar loses, yea... nice exit Oscar.

Here's the thing, though. Oscar CANT beat Manny. Manny will absolutely light Oscar up and force a stoppage or late tko.

Furious. Oscar, if you were gung-ho on fighting Miguel, you need to be just as adamant to fight Antonio. I cannot believe this stupid fight is taking shape. Wake me when its over, im going to pout.

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This is the most retarded comment I have ever read on here. Margarito has nothing that oscar needs.

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This is by far NOT the most retarded comment I have ever seen on here.


Folks, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers but I feel like alot of you are focusing on the wrong details here.

Margartio has nothing Oscar needs? What? How bout the being the guy that beat the guy you were supposed to retire on? How in the world, after completely breaking Miguel Cotto, is Antonio not EXACTLY what Oscar needs on his sunset fight? This is very confusing to me.

Manny is indeed a p4p king, but a tiny one at that. If you think Oscar will get mucho props for beating Manny, (in my opinion he can't win anyway) I think youre mistaken.

We'll see when either Mayweather comes back and kicks Margarito's ass, or when Paul Williams does it again. Oscar DOES NOT need to beat the champion at WW, because Margarito is a forgetable character, when boxing is barely a whisper in the future people will remember guys like Pacquaio is one of the best southpaws to ever lace up. Pacquiao is just another p4p #1 on Oscar's belt, whether he wins or not this fight means way more to the WORLD then Margarito-De La HOya ever could. ALso Oscar is a really big welterweight, He looked bigger in the shoulders and just bigger in general than Trinidad when they fought, he still moves well which means those legs aren't done, and that means a lot of trouble for Margairto because Oscar can throw that jab just as hard as Cotto's, but with so much less effort, and its a lot faster. Oscar will pepper Margarito from the outside with right hands and that nasty jab, and once and awhile he will land that left hook from hell that hit Mayorga in the first round of their fight. Margarito can have the best chin in the world, but if he is caught off balance after once of his haymakers he will go down.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

We'll see when either Mayweather comes back and kicks Margarito's ass, or when Paul Williams does it again. Oscar DOES NOT need to beat the champion at WW, because Margarito is a forgetable character, when boxing is barely a whisper in the future people will remember guys like Pacquaio is one of the best southpaws to ever lace up. Pacquiao is just another p4p #1 on Oscar's belt, whether he wins or not this fight means way more to the WORLD then Margarito-De La HOya ever could. ALso Oscar is a really big welterweight, He looked bigger in the shoulders and just bigger in general than Trinidad when they fought, he still moves well which means those legs aren't done, and that means a lot of trouble for Margairto because Oscar can throw that jab just as hard as Cotto's, but with so much less effort, and its a lot faster. Oscar will pepper Margarito from the outside with right hands and that nasty jab, and once and awhile he will land that left hook from hell that hit Mayorga in the first round of their fight. Margarito can have the best chin in the world, but if he is caught off balance after once of his haymakers he will go down.

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You seem convinced. So forget Pac. Let Oscar make the fight with Margarito and cement his legacy. Me... I'll be rooting for Margarito, and raking in the money from the bets I'll be sure to make with overzealous DLH fans.

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Aside from less money from fighting Tony. Oscar does not want his ego forever crushed when he gets demolished by The Tijuana Tornado or any top welter out there right now.

The mere fact that the man has lost virtually every big fight he's been in over the past 5 years only points to the fact that Oscar's doing the SMART thing; make sure your farewell fight sends you off into the sunset with a W.

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The mere fact that the man has lost virtually every big fight he's been in over the past 5 years only points to the fact that Oscar's doing the SMART thing; make sure your farewell fight sends you off into the sunset with a W.

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Good point, retire with a win

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Ok Ill let it be for now. Youve heard my side.

Since you bring it up, let me be among the first to say:


Pacquao TKo over De la Hoya inside 9.

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Inactivity?

He hs been retired about a month.......

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True, but December 8th was his last fight.
His previous fight was May 5th of last year.

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And by the time Williams/Margarito happens IF it happens would put a match against Mayweather around May-June of '09 I have no doubt that Floyd is in shape and keeping up in the gym, but if he's not sparring, that's a huge issue. Skills wise Floyd mops the floor with either, but they both present the same problem the reach of a heavyweight and a non-stop assault, that would be difficult for someone of Floyds size and while the counter argument is Diego Corrales (RIP), Corrales was a very different fighter than Margarito and Williams, he was more selective with his power shots. One things for sure Floyd CANNOT lay on the ropes against either.

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I believe Floyd can actually capitalise on their reach.
I really believe that.

Please note the date I started this, and I believe at the time i was alone and possibly first to allude to the shredding that was to come.



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What an asswhooping.

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Please note the date I started this, and I believe at the time i was alone and possibly first to allude to the shredding that was to come.



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What an asswhooping.

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Congratulations you must be feeling mighty smug right about now, I would be.

But unless you actually made a fortune betting on your shock early KO then the joke is on you ;)

But respect though, it was a great call and I for one was ecstatic to watch Oscar unravel like a ball of wool being torn apart by an angry cat.

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Please note the date I started this, and I believe at the time i was alone and possibly first to allude to the shredding that was to come.



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What an asswhooping.

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Congratulations you must be feeling mighty smug right about now, I would be.

But unless you actually made a fortune betting on your shock early KO then the joke is on you ;)

But respect though, it was a great call and I for one was ecstatic to watch Oscar unravel like a ball of wool being torn apart by an angry cat.

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lol talk about your backhanded compliments. You do crack me up Bilbo...always have.

You know what would be funny, and also highly likely, not saying it is the case, but you make several names and do these predictions for fights, and do 1 for either fighter. Then that way...no matter what happens, you can come back and rub people faces right the hell in it. haha

Yea...I think I might have to try it.

The ONLY reason Im so smug is on account of how much sh*t I took going that confidently that early. Man did i get called some nastiness.


I work with a mexican, nut-hugging de la Hoya fanboy (I like Oscar alot, but not THIS much) who gave me 5 to 1 on Manny. I dropped a bill and left with 500. Not a fortune by any means, but Ill enjoy spending it.





Now then, on to the next fight. Ricky Hatton. I love you Rick, but you, too, get obliterated by Pac.


What Im more curious about is whether or not Oscar will retire on the loss. To be honest, I was a little heartbroken watching Oscar get snuffed.


Felt pretty bad for him. Sincerely.