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The goal to seek in the expending of effort; is to have it eventually become effortless.
Effort and ease are not in opposition, they compliment each other.
Grace and relaxation are supported by a great strength.
Having the knowledge to allow, is the foundation of great strength.
A lady once tried to take singing lessons but never could grasp it.
She gave up the lessons and the ideas of being a great singer, only then she began to sing naturally with freedom.
Her mind and her vocal cords were at peace.
Ok Donny, thanks ,I heard you..
Here have some
Taoism:
A good walker leaves no tracks;
A good speaker makes no sips;
A good reconer needs no tally.
A good door needs no lock.
Yet noone can open it.
Good bindings need no knots yet noone can loosen them.
Therefore the sage takes care of all men
and abandons not one.
He cares for all things
And abandons nothing.
IF the teacher is not respected.
and the student not cared for;
Confusion will arise however clever one is,
This is the crux of mystery.
Lao Tsu
I love zen proverbs (or whatever they're called).
So little time, so little to do.(Oscar Levant)
Like the clear stillness of autumn water—pure and without activity; in its tranquil depths are no obstructions. Such an one is called a man of Tao, also, a man who has nothing further to do. [Wei-shan Ling-yu (Isan Reiyû)]
Heres a large key : mankind is so busy doing, that he is no longer is being.
Human be ing..;)
That is the crux of his downfall he belives what is false through thoughts and speach instead of feeling and acting in what is true to his real form.
I love that one.. Effort and ease wrestle constantly with each other in my life. I always feel like I have to sacrifice ease for the sake of effort..Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Nice one.
Some of the zen proverbs are logically great and can immediately release a knot in your brain... Some involve no logic at all, and can release an emotional knot, just by reading the words, without needing understanding of them...
That's what the above one did for me...
Appropriately i'm cleaning my entire house today, which up until now, has involved a lot of tension with the effort... I guess now it is not needed...
http://www.mjedwards.com.au/gkr/foru...ticons/zen.gif
Cut the hole in a wall for a door it is the hole that is used.
Shape a vessel from clay it is the space within that is of use.
Therefore profit comes from what is there , usefulness from what is not there.
(My personal fav, from Lao Tsu.)
It can be applied to anything and answers many questions about life and its many forms out from the formless void, can use it for fighting to business to more peace in meditation ,more.
Exactly what I've been trying to preach all over the saddos.
Let it be...let it go
Believe me, this is the ultimate principle, my 30 year wisdom rolled into just one phrase. To put it poetically:
When things go bad and you feel bad,
let it be if you can do nothing about it,
let it go if you can...
When someone hurts you and you're affected,
let it be if you can do nothing about it,
let it go if you can...
When you are just in plain bad mood,
let it be if you can do nothing about it,
but let go if you can...
Ok, agreed I don't make a good poet, so I'll stop trying to be one.
...ps, I joke a lot, it's also part of my philosophy: always have a childlike sense of joy, wonder and humor...
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Originally Posted by pacfan
Monkey had it too.
But it doesnt work well if police pull you over and say you were speeding and you reply;
"AHH what would you know ? your just a pig"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3RH-...eature=related
What the heck was that Andre, I thought you had some important Zen message there but that was just a Japanese movie about the Chinese monkey man. So that's your sense of humor.;D;)
Two monks were arguing about the temple flag waving in the wind.
One said, "The flag moves."
The other said, "The wind moves."
They argued back and forth but could not agree.
Hui-neng, the sixth patriarch, said: "Gentlemen! It is not the flag that moves. It is not the wind that moves. It is your mind that moves."
A Rabbi and priest see a little boy playing in the park
The priest says lets go screw that little boy.
The rabbi says "what out of"?
No but yeah but; Monkey is the embodment of cheekyness, humour ,stupidity and fun while learning.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
Pacfan says,
Now I see you [that's you!].
But it's my time to go to bed
As no thieves arrived
After a long night watch
And some meditation.
Adios my brother.
See you tomorrow
As my eyes are betraying my senses
And my body ready for a day's rest
Until another cycle
Of this world's nothingness
And nothingness
And...
You ever think of moving? sounds like a tough area mate.
Im lucky I can go out an leave the door wide open and its about a 95 to 5 risk in favor of me comming home to everything ok.
I feel for you ,thats added pressure you dont need in life.
Thanks for the concern. I have kinda gotten used to it so I don't consider it as too much problem or pressure. It's not only nightwatch I do at night, I also bring some of the works I miss during the daytime sleep with me so as to make the best of my time, as well as meditating, and browsing the net and posting whenever I have time to spare. Pretty busy night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
There's a reason for everything and the robbery I told you of had some to it too. We were treading on a dangerous path and the robbery sort of cut that off and perhaps saved us. It's a long story so I won't go into that but all was not lost in that seemingly unfortunate incidence, something was regained. So I have a very mixed feeling about the incident; I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be angry and sad about it or to be thankful. Not only that, it was also a lesson for me to be a bit more careful. I have to say I had been a bit careless then...
Andre, I'll post some zen questions here. This is more easy then the last time, I can just borrow some stuffs from the net and share it here. You don't have to reply to every one of these though...
The Monk Mayo asked this question of the Sixth patriarch: "What is Zen?" the Patriarch replied that, "when your mind is not dwelling on the dualism of good and evil, what is your original face before you were born?"
Hmmm, that's a tough one. Actually, I've got no idea.
Not sure either mate ! about the face or whats ment by that ; but originally like the Sun, at one completly within the All.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The choice made by us to come here tells a story of both all of us and the divine force or God within.
Discontent at knowing without experiencing .
Thus we chose to go down in frequency so at to experience ourselves in the material dimensions.
I would have thought the answer to "what is Zen"? would be, Allowance of all things?
FOr him to answer a question with a question is a nice way of saying you have chosen a journey and yet you want to know how it ends! it is the road that you need to look upon now, not the end. So he asked about the begining so that the journey becomes the realization.
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Originally Posted by pacfan
contentment
If your opponent is arrogant,encourage his arrogance-
The Art Of War
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Originally Posted by AndreNot sure either mate ! about the face or whats ment by that ; but originally like the Sun, at one completly within the All.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The choice made by us to come here tells a story of both all of us and the divine force or God within.
Discontent at knowing without experiencing .
Thus we chose to go down in frequency so at to experience ourselves in the material dimensions.
I would have thought the answer to "what is Zen"? would be, Allowance of all things?
FOr him to answer a question with a question is a nice way of saying you have chosen a journey and yet you want to know how it ends! it is the road that you need to look upon now, not the end. So he asked about the begining so that the journey becomes the realization.
Hmmm, let me think about it. But wait, we are not supposed to think in Zen, we are supposed to be inspired...Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
contentment
Which means, 'to let him fall on his own folly,' the same principle used in Japanese martial art of Aikido.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Or even real Kung Fu which is mainly redirection of motion in the blocksQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfanWhich means, 'to let him fall on his own folly,' the same principle used in Japanese martial art of Aikido.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Exactly, that is why true oriental martial arts are defensive in nature. The opponent is at the weakest when he attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyOr even real Kung Fu which is mainly redirection of motion in the blocksQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfanWhich means, 'to let him fall on his own folly,' the same principle used in Japanese martial art of Aikido.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
When he was doing well,this is what I had Andrew doing in the Dumas fight,unfortunatly he didnt stay with the game plan I wrote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanExactly, that is why true oriental martial arts are defensive in nature. The opponent is at the weakest when he attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyOr even real Kung Fu which is mainly redirection of motion in the blocksQuote:
Originally Posted by pacfan
The game plan was when Dumas rushed him,to either pop the jab in to his nose(he did break it) or step to the side and hook him,letting Dumas's momentum help the damage.
It worked when he followed it,but when he panicked and reverted.....................
You mean you train these pros, that's cool. I don't watch much of these martial arts stuffs but I know what you mean. It's really difficult to keep your focus because in actual combat, psychological aspects come in to play almost as much as the physical ones. Your boy needs some mental training to build up his focus and confidence. I see lots of these boys who're really good during training but becoming tentative on the ring, but who can blame them, right? What's most important is to keep your feet firmly on the ground and the when the opportunity arises, attack with full force - no in-betweens - and getting back into firm ground as quickly as possible for the next counter-attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWhen he was doing well,this is what I had Andrew doing in the Dumas fight,unfortunatly he didnt stay with the game plan I wrote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanExactly, that is why true oriental martial arts are defensive in nature. The opponent is at the weakest when he attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
The game plan was when Dumas rushed him,to either pop the jab in to his nose(he did break it) or step to the side and hook him,letting Dumas's momentum help the damage.
It worked when he followed it,but when he panicked and reverted.....................
I not sure if its from the art of war ?
But I read one that stated A small country can overtake a large country by declaring war then surrendering... True when you look at Japans fall then her rise and the USA's cost of rebuliding her and now her leading world market.
You can only give something up to the extent that you own it.
No, that's from pacfan's art of 'letting it be and letting go.' When the Japanese tried hard they failed, but when they let go (surrendered), they succeeded, simple as that.:cool:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Funny but that's particularly true for those people, counsellors or advisors giving advices on various media. If you look at some of their lives, they're probably no different from most people, with their shares of same, worldly problems which they can't handle, but which they try to solve for others. Strange but true, it's always easier to solve other's problem than your own, if you get my drift...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
I cant find my copy of The Art Of War at the moment to confirm(I read alot) but I do remember reading that in thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Though another quote I love from it
"Winning a battle is not a success,it is a failure at negotiation"
[quote=Trainer Monkey;581941]wow thats a fair bit deeper than it first appears! It even brings into account what should be held as the first priority amongst men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Its also very true if want to take the dis of ease in disease.But can go one step further than lettingit be; If you actually give thanks that it is in you and learn to love firstly the lesson it brings, or the warning, or the forced changes to your life, or your thoughts, or your new standpoint then increase it and join it all up into sending self love into the problem area instead of fear, the friction is then removed and the there is no fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by pacfanNo, that's from pacfan's art of 'letting it be and letting go.' When the Japanese tried hard they failed, but when they let go (surrendered), they succeeded, simple as that.:cool:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Funny but that's particularly true for those people, counsellors or advisors giving advices on various media. If you look at some of their lives, they're probably no different from most people, with their shares of same, worldly problems which they can't handle, but which they try to solve for others. Strange but true, it's always easier to solve other's problem than your own, if you get my drift...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Your body/mind can heal itself with greater ease because you realize that you one way or another allow it in at the onset. Then you no longer belive in some external secret force that has landed this onto you.
No fight = no blame= no victum.;)
[quote=Andre;582161]It could even be failure to negotiate with yourself, in that why are you personally needing to battle in the first place...Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkeywow thats a fair bit deeper than it first appears! It even brings into account what should be held as the first priority amongst men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Exactly. You answered it yourself. First you let go of the friction and then the belief that some external force... You see, there are so many mental blocks in our imperfect self that we have to release or let go all of them before you become completely free - free from bondage, be it disease, addiction, hatred, prejudice, etc. When we let go of them, all the good things automatically sets in, like love, faith, ease, etc. That's why, you have to ultimately let go of all these burdens in your heart with whatever way it takes - as you say sending self love - before you become the true you, the you that God ultimately intended you or us to be. And as the masters say, when you let go or take away all these burdens, ki or chi will start to flow freely in your body as there is nothing more to block its flow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
But... sometimes, the first step for letting go is just letting it be. When you let something be, that means you are not trying to fight it off which only reinforces itself but just letting it be, and when you do that, the pressure or friction starts to go away little by little until ultimately you can let go or remove it...
[quote=Dizaster;582212]Too right.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreIt could even be failure to negotiate with yourself, in that why are you personally needing to battle in the first place...Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
To all,"The Art Of War" is mandatory reading if you wish to engage in anything martial
It amazes me to this day,how much he understood even then,we may have computers and technology,but he had common sense
Which has been often proven,is none too common
...talking of ki, when I was in deep meditation one night, I released all the loads on my body and soul, and so feeling nice and light, with only pleasant light surrounding me, I suddenly felt something surge inside me, tingling my body. So I thought, aha, this must be the ki energy! So I went to the kitchen and got myself a nice, shiny spoon and immediately went back to my couch and got myself again in my lotus position, holding on to my spoon. Then I started to put my mind into the spoon waiting it to bend - yes you heard it right, bend. Then...
...I must have dozed off. Where were we Andre? ah, back to work...
;D;)
I had a vision...
Here's another one of my visions during my deep meditation session, the latest one. Not very sure about this one but just decided to put it up anyway 'cause who knows, right? Here goes:
I had a vision, somewhere in the east, most likely Japan, or maybe Philippines, or others. I saw land and building shaking, an earthquake perhaps but not sure. At any rate, it was an earth and building shaking turmoil, perhaps not a catastrophe but something significant nevertheless...
This one is probably another earthquake but the reason it made me doubt a bit is that unlike the usual earthquake vision, I knew it was coming in advance, sort of like with a countdown, 5..4..3..2..1, where usually, like an earthquake in real life, it comes unexexpected... Give it a month or so, and if it didn't happen, call it a dud. I'll give it 49%...