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Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
All I can say is holy smokes. That would have been one hell of a fight.
Two supremely conditioned guys. About same height.
Power edge goes to Tito easily.
Speed Tito.
Determination is close and a toss up but Margo is the type of guy who goes into fight without any major advantages and comes out winning clear victories due to his workrate, stamina and unbelieavable chin.
Man I we were only a few years of from getting that too.
That fight wouldn't even need a ref.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Bx730NY
All I can say is holy smokes. That would have been one hell of a fight.
Two supremely conditioned guys. About same height.
Power edge goes to Tito easily.
Speed Tito.
Determination is close and a toss up but Margo is the type of guy who goes into fight without any major advantages and comes out winning clear victories due to his workrate, stamina and unbelieavable chin.
Man I we were only a few years of from getting that too.
That fight wouldn't even need a ref.
dont insult tito.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Margarito is certanly deserving of praise. He beat a superior boxer and and undefeated elite champion in Cotto. He would certanly have his place in the 90s. But you gotta remember that this is not only the era of Tito, it was also an era of prime DLH who fought Tito to a virtual draw, and a prime Quartey who gave DLH all he could handle. All three of them were undefeated when they fought eachother. All three of them big welters also. Margarito would probably take decision losses to all three of them. Great fights non the less.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Not to diss Margarito because his CHIN is second to none, but we're in the trend that fighters are usually fighting in a weight class to small for them and Tony is one of them IMO. With his height and frame he is at least a 154 pounder.
Up against Tito, he will not be able to bully a fighter with Tito's size and power. Tito may not stop him but is enough for him to render respect for Tito's punches, unlike Cotto who punches upward(lesser force) Tito will be throwing power shots perpendicularly. Tony had a hard time with Daniel Santos, a man his size;)
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Yeah. Trinidad would have gotten knocked out.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Pavlik
Not to diss Margarito because his CHIN is second to none, but we're in the trend that fighters are usually fighting in a weight class to small for them and Tony is one of them IMO. With his height and frame he is at least a 154 pounder.
Up against Tito, he will not be able to bully a fighter with Tito's size and power. Tito may not stop him but is enough for him to render respect for Tito's punches, unlike Cotto who punches upward(lesser force) Tito will be throwing power shots perpendicularly. Tony had a hard time with Daniel Santos, a man his size;)
By that logic how did Tyson clear out guys the way he did? Tyson himself said being shorter was an asset.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
I don't see anything that tito done in any of his fights to have beaten Magarito.
he didn't have the chin or skill to last 12 rounds with him.
I would asume he would of won most of the rounds he was standing up in, but the ending would of been trinidad stopped or sparked out.
there are a great deal of boxers who could of and would of beaten magarito over 12 rounds, my personal opinion is trinidad wasn't one of them.
Very very good boxer, but very much overrated in my opinion.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Tito had a bigger punch than Cotto, but he had something else over Cotto which would have served him well against the relentless Margarito..... stamina. Tito's stamina was exceptional. His cardiovascular recovery time between rounds was one of the best. He could go on and on and on and on. And while Margo's chin is truly awesome, at some point Tito's huge left hooks would take their toll.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
As good as Margos chin is, Tito had fought a few guys like that in his day and their chin was never the same after fighting Tito.
Tito has one punch concussive power while Cotto has hard heavy thudding punches do are better suited for body punching.
If Santos was able to hurt Margo, Tito knocks him out for sure.
Margaritos lack of defence and speed would be the big difference.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Killface
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Pavlik
Not to diss Margarito because his CHIN is second to none, but we're in the trend that fighters are usually fighting in a weight class to small for them and Tony is one of them IMO. With his height and frame he is at least a 154 pounder.
Up against Tito, he will not be able to bully a fighter with Tito's size and power. Tito may not stop him but is enough for him to render respect for Tito's punches, unlike Cotto who punches upward(lesser force) Tito will be throwing power shots perpendicularly. Tony had a hard time with Daniel Santos, a man his size;)
By that logic how did Tyson clear out guys the way he did? Tyson himself said being shorter was an asset.
Because aside from Tyson being unique in that sort of way, Iron Mike havent fought a BIG Heavyweight with a granite chin/power ala Foreman who'm I think could've destroyed Tyson.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
If Santos could go to waR ith Margarito, so can Tito.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Preme
I don't see anything that tito done in any of his fights to have beaten Magarito.
he didn't have the chin or skill to last 12 rounds with him.
I would asume he would of won most of the rounds he was standing up in, but the ending would of been trinidad stopped or sparked out.
there are a great deal of boxers who could of and would of beaten magarito over 12 rounds, my personal opinion is trinidad wasn't one of them.
Very very good boxer, but very much overrated in my opinion.
Daniel Santos, is a level below Tito IMO but look at what kind of trouble he had given Margo. Tito could've beaten Margo.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Preme
I don't see anything that tito done in any of his fights to have beaten Magarito.
he didn't have the chin or skill to last 12 rounds with him.
I would asume he would of won most of the rounds he was standing up in, but the ending would of been trinidad stopped or sparked out.
there are a great deal of boxers who could of and would of beaten magarito over 12 rounds, my personal opinion is trinidad wasn't one of them.
Very very good boxer, but very much overrated in my opinion.
Dude, you have got to be kidding me. Not only are you suggesting Margarito would KO Tito you are making it out like it would be easy. We are talking about one of the top welters of all time.
Margarito has staked his claim to fame and done good. But let's not get too exited.. Let me see how to put this in a nice way... Tito would f*ck Margarito up.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Theres no doubt that Tito could win to Margaro , he have a great Stamina also , but i want to say something , at the way that Margaro went to fight Cotto , with real focus , determination , courage and optimism , IMO i dont think even Tito would KO Margaro , to KO Margaro you need to hit him with a Damn Tube to his chin , is great when you see a boxer with that kind of Focus ................i think that we have to give a real credit to Margaro in get that features , lot of boxers didnt have the same courage that Margaro showed on that fight ...................
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Preme
I don't see anything that tito done in any of his fights to have beaten Magarito.
he didn't have the chin or skill to last 12 rounds with him.
I would asume he would of won most of the rounds he was standing up in, but the ending would of been trinidad stopped or sparked out.
there are a great deal of boxers who could of and would of beaten magarito over 12 rounds, my personal opinion is trinidad wasn't one of them.
Very very good boxer, but very much overrated in my opinion.
Hey buddy i think that you dont even know what are you talking about , seem like you dont know who was Tito Trinidad in that times..........:-\
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
this fight would end up only two ways. margarito freakass homer skull fails him and gets ko or margarito puts a beatdown to tito worst than wright.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Good question but for me one outcome , Tony late KO
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Silly I have watched Tito's entire career and prime Tito Blows Margarito away!! Cotto was good but he was definitely no Tito!
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Pavlik
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Preme
I don't see anything that tito done in any of his fights to have beaten Magarito.
he didn't have the chin or skill to last 12 rounds with him.
I would asume he would of won most of the rounds he was standing up in, but the ending would of been trinidad stopped or sparked out.
there are a great deal of boxers who could of and would of beaten magarito over 12 rounds, my personal opinion is trinidad wasn't one of them.
Very very good boxer, but very much overrated in my opinion.
Daniel Santos, is a level below Tito IMO but look at what kind of trouble he had given Margo. Tito could've beaten Margo.
Would you say Margarito was in his prime when he lost to Santos? Do you think Santos then could beat Margarito now? I submit to you that Margarito has improved greatly in that time and that he would clear Trinidad out.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Killface
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Pavlik
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Originally Posted by
Preme
I don't see anything that tito done in any of his fights to have beaten Magarito.
he didn't have the chin or skill to last 12 rounds with him.
I would asume he would of won most of the rounds he was standing up in, but the ending would of been trinidad stopped or sparked out.
there are a great deal of boxers who could of and would of beaten magarito over 12 rounds, my personal opinion is trinidad wasn't one of them.
Very very good boxer, but very much overrated in my opinion.
Daniel Santos, is a level below Tito IMO but look at what kind of trouble he had given Margo. Tito could've beaten Margo.
Would you say Margarito was in his prime when he lost to Santos? Do you think Santos then could beat Margarito now? I submit to you that Margarito has improved greatly in that time and that he would clear Trinidad out.
Definitely was not in his prime, and Santos' flaw is inactivity if he can be busy enough YES I say Santos can beat Margarito.
Regarding Tito his only kayo loss was to a MIDDLEWEIGHT with GREAT BOXING SKILLS. Although I would say Margo is at least a Junior middle naturally he does not have GREAT BOXING SKILLS.
Prime Tito will beat Margarito IMO. Tony will not make Tito go backwards and definitely will not smile after recieving shots from Tito.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
And Tito has shown a whole lotta quit when he came up against something he couldn't handle. What does Margarito do regardless of opponent? He keeps coming. Tito was lost in the one-sided spanking he got from Winky Wright (which to me was worse than the Hopkins KO as it was a lot more one-sided). Tito would pop and pop and pop but Margarito would always be there. The truer question to ask is if a prime Tito could take that kind of pressure.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
You have a good point regarding Tito being pressured by a monster in Tony, but the main questions here aside from how Tito would handle that is could Margo possibly take a flush shot from one of the best punchers of all-time in the welterweight division. Tito may not kayo him but I betya he will get stopped on his tracks.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
In my honest opinion; it's funny how quickly people forget. Margarito would never beat a prime Tito, could not beat a prime Delahoya would not last with Bernard Hopkins and would lose clearly to Winky Wright.
Tony is awesome but his size advantage that aided him in his victory over Cotto is non existent in any of these match ups.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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piye
In my honest opinion; it's funny how quickly people forget. Margarito would never beat a prime Tito, could not beat a prime Delahoya would not last with Bernard Hopkins and would lose clearly to Winky Wright.
Tony is awesome but his size advantage that aided him in his victory over Cotto is non existent in any of these match ups.
BULLSEYE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Pavlik
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piye
In my honest opinion; it's funny how quickly people forget. Margarito would never beat a prime Tito, could not beat a prime Delahoya would not last with Bernard Hopkins and would lose clearly to Winky Wright.
Tony is awesome but his size advantage that aided him in his victory over Cotto is non existent in any of these match ups.
BULLSEYE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Killface
And Tito has shown a whole lotta quit when he came up against something he couldn't handle. What does Margarito do regardless of opponent? He keeps coming. Tito was lost in the one-sided spanking he got from Winky Wright (which to me was worse than the Hopkins KO as it was a lot more one-sided). Tito would pop and pop and pop but Margarito would always be there. The truer question to ask is if a prime Tito could take that kind of pressure.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
If you wanna know how that fight would play out, just look for Tito vs Campas on youtube.
I don't know how you guys add the vid right onto the post but I'll try. Otherwise you can check.
Campas like Margarito is 5' 10 1/2", granite chin, non stop workrate, in your face and tough as nails.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGmsOT6om_g
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Bx730NY
If you wanna know how that fight would play out, just look for Tito vs Campas on youtube.
I don't know how you guys add the vid right onto the post but I'll try. Otherwise you can check.
Campas like Margarito is 5' 10 1/2", granite chin, non stop workrate, in your face and tough as nails.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGmsOT6om_g
Campas' rock solid chin held up for some time but the bouncing and whiplash like movement of his neck can't hide the fact that Tito was landing BOMBA ATOMICA on him.
Like me people forget that Tito has good boxing skills aside from his legendary power, he was moving backwards most of the time but was still outboxing the other guy.
A GREAT fight from one of the best welterweights of all-time probably the hardest punching too.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
Well I won't sit here and compare Margarito to Campas because that would be unfair. But lets talk a bit about the Cotto - Margarito fight. There was something interesting going on in the fight. Maybe after the stoppage some of you forgot. Yeah, Cotto was hitting Margarito almost at will. I mean the only thing Cotto didn't hit margarito with was the stool. It that was Trinidad in there, Margarito's face would probably resemble that guy from the Goonies. Please don't say Tito would never land that many shots cuz Tito was one of the most accurate punchers there was in his day.
Now let's talk about Trinidad's lossess. The guys who beat Tito did it with defense, more than offense. (In the case of RJJ, it might not've made much of a difference but that was at 170 and we are talking about 147, a weight Tito never lost in) Margarito has underrated defense but he is still way short of the league of Hopkins, Wright and Jones. So short it is not even worth thinking about it.
Bottom line, a come forward, low defense fighter would never, never beat Tito especially not at Welterweight. You could argue that Tito would not KO him and I would have no problem agreeing with you. But to suggest Margarito would beat Trinidad. A man that not even a Prime DLH could beat, a Prime Vargas could'nt hurt and a prime Hopkins (One of the best Middleweights of all time) took 12 rounds to finally stop. I just don't see how anybody would even consider Margarito had a chance to beating Trinidad at 147.
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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Bx730NY
All I can say is holy smokes. That would have been one hell of a fight.
Two supremely conditioned guys. About same height.
Power edge goes to Tito easily.
Speed Tito.
Determination is close and a toss up but Margo is the type of guy who goes into fight without any major advantages and comes out winning clear victories due to his workrate, stamina and unbelieavable chin.
Man I we were only a few years of from getting that too.
That fight wouldn't even need a ref.
Well if there was no ref, then Margarito would need to wear a cup made of steel because Tito would be throwing low blows from the opening bell. ;D
Would have loved to have seen this fight. I think Trinidad wins it though.
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SweetPea
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Bx730NY
All I can say is holy smokes. That would have been one hell of a fight.
Two supremely conditioned guys. About same height.
Power edge goes to Tito easily.
Speed Tito.
Determination is close and a toss up but Margo is the type of guy who goes into fight without any major advantages and comes out winning clear victories due to his workrate, stamina and unbelieavable chin.
Man I we were only a few years of from getting that too.
That fight wouldn't even need a ref.
Well if there was no ref, then Margarito would need to wear a cup made of steel because Tito would be throwing low blows from the opening bell. ;D
Would have loved to have seen this fight. I think Trinidad wins it though.
Sh*t... you'd think that's all Tito ever did in his fights. Geeeeeez....
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Re: Can You Imagine If Trinidad And Margarito Were From Same Era?
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SweetPea
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Bx730NY
All I can say is holy smokes. That would have been one hell of a fight.
Two supremely conditioned guys. About same height.
Power edge goes to Tito easily.
Speed Tito.
Determination is close and a toss up but Margo is the type of guy who goes into fight without any major advantages and comes out winning clear victories due to his workrate, stamina and unbelieavable chin.
Man I we were only a few years of from getting that too.
That fight wouldn't even need a ref.
Well if there was no ref, then Margarito would need to wear a cup made of steel because Tito would be throwing low blows from the opening bell. ;D
Would have loved to have seen this fight. I think Trinidad wins it though.
LOL how much money you lost beting against tito?
