DelaHoya vs. Pacquiao - SIZE is not everything

Many people considered the under negotiation DelaHoya vs. Pacquiao fight as a total freak show because of the massive size difference between the two.

Maybe people were just overwhelmed from what they saw physically. In boxing, size is just one of the factors. There are other factors that might come into play like speed (hand and foot), stamina, defense, elusiveness, heart, will, hunger, etc.

It's been proven before from flyweight to heavyweight that size is not everything...

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.................... Height ... Reach
Hugo Cazares .. 5' 5" ...... 66"
Ivan Calderon .. 5' 0" .......63"

Difference ......... 5" ........ 3"


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...................... Height ..... Reach
Nikolay Valuev .... 7' 0" ...... 85"
Ruslan Chagaev .. 6' 1" .......74"

Difference ........... 11" ...... 11" ... ;D ;D ;D

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1...uiao300jr9.jpg

(Note: On this photo, Pacquiao in fighting form, DelaHoya on holidays :) )

...................... Height ....... Reach
Oscar DelaHoya .. 5' 10.5" ...... 73"
Manny Pacquiao .. 5' 6.5" ....... 67"

Difference ............ 4" ........... 6"


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pac is going to get beat up. and that's to bad. cuz i like him. he's a great fighter

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Another upcoming bout with massive size difference:

Nikolay Valuev vs. John Ruiz rematch fight
WBA heavyweight championship
Saturday, August 30 2008
Max Schmeling Halle, Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany


...................... Height ..... Reach
Nikolay Valuev .... 7' 0" ...... 85"
John Ruiz ........... 6' 2" .......78"

Difference ........... 10" ...... 7" ...

Wladimir Klitschko vs Chris Byrd
George Foreman vs Michael Moorer
George Foreman vs Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson
Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson
Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini


I could go on....I mean the only reason you remember the "David vs Goliath" fights is because they are sensational due to the size difference but big guys USUALLY beat the smaller guys which is why that is ho-hum and common place. I could list more big guys beating little guys that you would ever care to read about.


Your thread is a SAD attempt to legitimize a fight that isn't worth watching....even if it was FREE

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wladimir Klitschko vs Chris Byrd
George Foreman vs Michael Moorer
George Foreman vs Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson
Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson
Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini


I could go on....I mean the only reason you remember the "David vs Goliath" fights is because they are sensational due to the size difference but big guys USUALLY beat the smaller guys which is why that is ho-hum and common place. I could list more big guys beating little guys that you would ever care to read about.


Your thread is a SAD attempt to legitimize a fight that isn't worth watching....even if it was FREE

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This fight could easily get 1 million PPV buys... Even here at Saddo, majority will be buying this PPV fight...

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10 out of 14 BOXING fans would buy that fight, it doesn't look good to me. I and many other boxing fans think that De la Hoya vs Pacquiao is a FARCE.

#1 The fight does nothing for De la Hoya's legacy win or lose

#2 The fight does little for Pacquiao...if he DOES win, especially by KO people won't believe it at all


Pacquiao started his career at 106, De la Hoya started at 135 (where Pacquiao is right now).








ONLY the Pacquiao fans are hyped about this fight...I give Pacquiao a better shot vs Mayweather Jr.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Your thread is a SAD attempt to legitimize a fight that isn't worth watching....even if it was FREE

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I'm guessing those peeps who will not buy this fight will be mostly watching it on an internet stream...

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Originally Posted by Lyle

10 out of 14 BOXING fans would buy that fight, it doesn't look good to me. I and many other boxing fans think that De la Hoya vs Pacquiao is a FARCE.

#1 The fight does nothing for De la Hoya's legacy win or lose

#2 The fight does little for Pacquiao...if he DOES win, especially by KO people won't believe it at all


Pacquiao started his career at 106, De la Hoya started at 135 (where Pacquiao is right now).








ONLY the Pacquiao fans are hyped about this fight...I give Pacquiao a better shot vs Mayweather Jr.

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It is a farce. But I'm buying it anyway if it happens. If Pacquiao is so determined to get knocked out, than let him. I'll be watching

I'm not paying either of them...infact if this fight happens I may sue them both for being giant douchebags




GUILTY!!!!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I could go on....I mean the only reason you remember the "David vs Goliath" fights is because they are sensational due to the size difference but big guys USUALLY beat the smaller guys which is why that is ho-hum and common place. I could list more big guys beating little guys that you would ever care to read about.

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I agree that the bigger guy wins most of the time but as what my thread title says "SIZE is not everything"... Little guys also win sometimes and in most cases using their superior speed to do it...

Totally writing off PAC's chances in this fight is just not acceptable...

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I'm just getting tired of seeing all these fuking threads they keep making for a fight that isn't even made yet!!!!!!!!! :furious2:

Keep this crap in one thread, you're wasting good space, and you're not going to change anyone's mind with this crap.

I like Manny, but you guys are making me want to seem him get pounded into oblivion.

You're over doing it.

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Originally Posted by Diane

I'm just getting tired of seeing all these fuking threads they keep making for a fight that isn't even made yet!!!!!!!!! :furious2:

Keep this crap in one thread, you're wasting good space, and you're not going to change anyone's mind with this crap.

I like Manny, but you guys are making me want to seem him get pounded into oblivion.

You're over doing it.

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I only saw 3 "ODLH-PAC" threads out of 30 or so threads in the main board. 2 started by me and 1 by killersheep. 2 were started yesterday and 1 started last August 9... I don't think this as an overkill...

I agree, we can keep them in one thread... but beware once this fight get signed and delivered, expect the board be flooded with this "ODLH-PAC" threads...

All of this hype-man hysteria has me thinking of a clip I saw ?? be back

And request for a poll update there Roaster ?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

ONLY the Pacquiao fans are hyped about this fight...I give Pacquiao a better shot vs Mayweather Jr.

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I'm hyped about this fight since it's a win-win situation for both boxers;

Oscar wins - he defeated the currently recognized no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world.

Oscar loses - there's no shame in losing to the currently recognized no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world.

Pacquiao wins - will be in excellent position to call out PBF from retirement. PBF vs. PAC will be another huge fight for boxing fans.

Pacquiao loses - he lost to the bigger boxer... ;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

All of this hype-man hysteria has me thinking of a clip I saw ?? be back

And request for a poll update there Rooster ?

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Poll update: 11-7 still in favor of buying the PPV...

BTW you can call me "FightingCock" or "GameCock" (rooster ;D )

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Originally Posted by Diane

I'm just getting tired of seeing all these fuking threads they keep making for a fight that isn't even made yet!!!!!!!!! :furious2:

Keep this crap in one thread, you're wasting good space, and you're not going to change anyone's mind with this crap.

I like Manny, but you guys are making me want to seem him get pounded into oblivion.

You're over doing it.

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I think i've seen more Cotto v Mayweather threads in the last few months, and one of those fighters is stone cold retired...

What's good for the goose must be good for the gander..

I'm completely against ODLH v PAC, but always when there is a shadow of superfight looming, topics get beaten to death over and over.. Hatton Mayweather I think had 12 topics on the first page alone, all basically saying the same thing...

I find it saddening though that people actually have to be spending thread after thread DEFENDING the validity of this fight... When there are equal amount of thread actually BEGGING for other fights to happen, that probably won't because the money isn't there, and ODLH is pulling the strings....

It's backwards I tells ya..

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link --> A David vs. Goliath Bout Worth Watching

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Originally Posted by Diane

I'm just getting tired of seeing all these fuking threads they keep making for a fight that isn't even made yet!!!!!!!!! :furious2:

Keep this crap in one thread, you're wasting good space, and you're not going to change anyone's mind with this crap.

I like Manny, but you guys are making me want to seem him get pounded into oblivion.

You're over doing it.

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Confusing as phuk if you ask me, I come in here thinking the fight is a done deal

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I don't want to see Manny get pounded into oblivion :-\
And if the match is made, I will rooting with all of my heart for the little guy :D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wladimir Klitschko vs Chris Byrd
George Foreman vs Michael Moorer
George Foreman vs Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson
Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson
Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini


I could go on....I mean the only reason you remember the "David vs Goliath" fights is because they are sensational due to the size difference but big guys USUALLY beat the smaller guys which is why that is ho-hum and common place. I could list more big guys beating little guys that you would ever care to read about.


Your thread is a SAD attempt to legitimize a fight that isn't worth watching....even if it was FREE

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Lyle who are you calling David and who are you calling Goliath in the Holyfield-Tyson matchup? Holyfield was taller but Tyson was the natural Heavyweight. Tommy Hearns was taller than Tyson but I certainly wouldn't have said he was BIGGER. I could make a list of fighters that have stepped up and beat bigger guys just like your list.

Michael Spinks v Larry Holmes x2 (although I didn't agree)
Roy Jones Jr v John Ruiz
Floyd Mayweather v Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer v Evander Holyfield
Roy Jones Jr v James Toney
SRL v Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran v SRL

This list too could go on and on.

I would be quite interested in a ODLH-Pac fight even though I would rather see Oscar fight Marg I just can't see it happening. I'd be willing to bet that it would be on of the biggest selling fights in history anyway. Just the fact that its Oscars last fight would have even non boxing fans buying it I think.

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I'm hyped about this fight since it's a win-win situation for both boxers;

Oscar wins - he defeated the currently recognized no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world. He gets no credit for beating up on a much smaller man, and rather gets ridiculed for refusing to fight someone like Margarito, who would mess up his Golden Boy face.

Oscar loses - there's no shame in losing to the currently recognized no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world.
He gets doubly ridiculed for losing to the much smaller man. Bye-bye legacy.

Pacquiao wins - will be in excellent position to call out PBF from retirement. PBF vs. PAC will be another huge fight for boxing fans.

Pacquiao loses - he lost to the bigger boxer...

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There...... I corrected it for you.

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Lyle who are you calling David and who are you calling Goliath in the Holyfield-Tyson matchup? Holyfield was taller but Tyson was the natural Heavyweight. Tommy Hearns was taller than Tyson but I certainly wouldn't have said he was BIGGER. I could make a list of fighters that have stepped up and beat bigger guys just like your list.
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Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield may have started out in different weight classes BUT Holyfield was the bigger guy he was not only taller but he was in better shape than Tyson, he was stronger and had more stamina and in the rematch they both weighed in at 218.

And if you don't like that then how about Bowe-Holyfield or Lewis-Holyfield?

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I'm hyped about this fight since it's a win-win situation for both boxers;

Oscar wins - he defeated the currently recognized no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world. He gets no credit for beating up on a much smaller man, and rather gets ridiculed for refusing to fight someone like Margarito, who would mess up his Golden Boy face.

Oscar loses - there's no shame in losing to the currently recognized no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world.
He gets doubly ridiculed for losing to the much smaller man. Bye-bye legacy.

Pacquiao wins - will be in excellent position to call out PBF from retirement. PBF vs. PAC will be another huge fight for boxing fans.

Pacquiao loses - he lost to the bigger boxer...

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There...... I corrected it for you.

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Your corrections is the general sentiments... I rather wait 'til the fight is over before giving my final assessment... that's IF the fight will be made... ;D

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[QUOTE=Lyle;586634][quote=rjj tszyu;586414]
Lyle who are you calling David and who are you calling Goliath in the Holyfield-Tyson matchup? Holyfield was taller but Tyson was the natural Heavyweight. Tommy Hearns was taller than Tyson but I certainly wouldn't have said he was BIGGER. I could make a list of fighters that have stepped up and beat bigger guys just like your list.

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Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield may have started out in different weight classes BUT Holyfield was the bigger guy he was not only taller but he was in better shape than Tyson, he was stronger and had more stamina and in the rematch they both weighed in at 218.

And if you don't like that then how about Bowe-Holyfield or Lewis-Holyfield?

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Yep being a huge Evander fan I loved Bowe-Holyfield II and I actually scored the Lewis-Holyfield II fight a draw so in my eyes the right results came out of them 2 fights just in the wrong order

Does anybody remember the last time somebody went up a total of 7 weight classess to fight? Help me cause I don't.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wladimir Klitschko vs Chris Byrd
George Foreman vs Michael Moorer
George Foreman vs Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson
Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson
Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini


I could go on....I mean the only reason you remember the "David vs Goliath" fights is because they are sensational due to the size difference but big guys USUALLY beat the smaller guys which is why that is ho-hum and common place. I could list more big guys beating little guys that you would ever care to read about.


Your thread is a SAD attempt to legitimize a fight that isn't worth watching....even if it was FREE

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Yeah it's SAD... very SAD... for DelaHoya...
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so when the Pacquiao news is a little slow, Saddoboxer bumps threads from a year ago.

Also, while you were pointing out that Lyle was wrong, you were wrong yourself in saying this was a no lose situation for De La Hoya. sooo....

Basically I wanted to neg rep you but I couldn't.

of course you realize that in PAC - DLH size turned out to be irrelevant. It was all about fitness and conditioning, age, whatever. DLH just wasn't there. There was no glory in beating that version of DLH, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Wladimir Klitschko vs Chris Byrd
George Foreman vs Michael Moorer
George Foreman vs Joe Frazier
Evander Holyfield vs Mike Tyson
Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson
Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
Alexis Arguello vs Ray Mancini


I could go on....I mean the only reason you remember the "David vs Goliath" fights is because they are sensational due to the size difference but big guys USUALLY beat the smaller guys which is why that is ho-hum and common place. I could list more big guys beating little guys that you would ever care to read about.


Your thread is a SAD attempt to legitimize a fight that isn't worth watching....even if it was FREE

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Yeah it's SAD... very SAD... for DelaHoya...
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Little desperate eh ?

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so when the Pacquiao news is a little slow, Saddoboxer bumps threads from a year ago.

Also, while you were pointing out that Lyle was wrong, you were wrong yourself in saying this was a no lose situation for De La Hoya. sooo....

Basically I wanted to neg rep you but I couldn't.

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I was looking for some Chagaev-Valuev info and I dig up this thread...

You know it's lots of fun reading some old postings... Some fun at the expense of others...;D

That explained the bump... Have some fun...;D
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So when you saw size isn't everything it only concerns Pac right?
Not the JMM/Mayweather fight?
You contradict yourself more than anyone on these boards..

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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

So when you saw size isn't everything it only concerns Pac right?
Not the JMM/Mayweather fight?
You contradict yourself more than anyone on these boards..

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The title said it all "size is not everything"... JMM is a heavy underdog against PBF since he doesn't enjoy any advantage over PBF plus he is heavily undersized in this fight...

Unlike PAC who enjoyed 3 or 4 advantages (speed, stamina, youth, southpaw, etc.) over Hoya... So even if PAC is undersized in the Hoya fight, he still enjoyed other advantages that can help him defeat Hoya...;D

Sorry I can't defend JMM's heavy size disadvantage on this case...;D
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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

So when you saw size isn't everything it only concerns Pac right?
Not the JMM/Mayweather fight?
You contradict yourself more than anyone on these boards..

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The title said it all "size is not everything"... JMM is a heavy underdog against PBF since he doesn't enjoy any advantage over PBF plus he is heavily undersized in this fight...

Unlike PAC who enjoyed 3 or 4 advantages (speed, stamina, youth, southpaw, etc.) over Hoya... So even if PAC is undersized in the Hoya fight, he still enjoyed other advantages that can help him defeat Hoya...;D

Sorry I can't defend JMM's heavy size disadvantage on this case...;D
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Of course you can not , you would die B4 admitting ODLH was an old worn and drained fighter. You would never say anything negative about your "GOD". And the best thing is that "IF" JMM manages to beat PBF he will catapult Pac. Except in Pac huggers minds .....

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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

So when you saw size isn't everything it only concerns Pac right?
Not the JMM/Mayweather fight?
You contradict yourself more than anyone on these boards..

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The title said it all "size is not everything"... JMM is a heavy underdog against PBF since he doesn't enjoy any advantage over PBF plus he is heavily undersized in this fight...

Unlike PAC who enjoyed 3 or 4 advantages (speed, stamina, youth, southpaw, etc.) over Hoya... So even if PAC is undersized in the Hoya fight, he still enjoyed other advantages that can help him defeat Hoya...;D

Sorry I can't defend JMM's heavy size disadvantage on this case...;D
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Of course you can not , you would die B4 admitting ODLH was an old worn and drained fighter. You would never say anything negative about your "GOD". And the best thing is that "IF" JMM manages to beat PBF he will catapult Pac. Except in Pac huggers minds .....

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The best thing is, I've been defending PAC way before the Hoya fight... Look at the date this thread was started August 12, 2008... You can just imagine the mountain of criticisms and insults I got from August to December of 2008 just for saying "PAC has a chance to win against Hoya"...

After that fight Hoya was considered an old worn drained fighter... So be it... What I care PAC won the fight in one sided fashion, busted Hoya's face, made Hoya quit on his stool and eventually sent Hoya to retirement... It's so fulfilling on picking the right boxer...

I'm just a PAC fan, he's not my god... I even pick Mosley to defeat PAC at 147 on the other thread (check it out dude)... ;D
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Originally Posted by hardcore_crash

So when you saw size isn't everything it only concerns Pac right?
Not the JMM/Mayweather fight?
You contradict yourself more than anyone on these boards..

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The title said it all "size is not everything"... JMM is a heavy underdog against PBF since he doesn't enjoy any advantage over PBF plus he is heavily undersized in this fight...

Unlike PAC who enjoyed 3 or 4 advantages (speed, stamina, youth, southpaw, etc.) over Hoya... So even if PAC is undersized in the Hoya fight, he still enjoyed other advantages that can help him defeat Hoya...;D

Sorry I can't defend JMM's heavy size disadvantage on this case...;D
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Put it this way - At least PBF/JMM will have both had a good meal in them... ;)