Am I the only one who thinks Olympic Boxing Scoring is beyond pathetic?

Olympic boxing scoring has always been pathetic joke IMO and always will be, unless and untill they put hi-tech sensors inside the gloves and let a supercomputer do the COMPUTING.

How could the Aussie kid rock the Cuban which results in the Cuban getting a standing 8- count, but the Aussie geting no points? Say what? :confused:

The judges stink out the place to the point where I will no longer watch this crock of crap. :(:mad::(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by holmcall

Olympic boxing scoring has always been pathetic joke IMO and always will be, unless and untill they put hi-tech sensors inside the gloves and let a supercomputer do the COMPUTING.

How could the Aussie kid rock the Cuban which results in the Cuban getting a standing 8- count, but the Aussie geting no points? Say what? :confused:

The judges stink out the place to the point where I will no longer watch this crock of crap. :(:mad::(

---

Heavy emphasis has been placed on contact, not impact, although I agree the judging has been crap.

Its polotics simple as.

Boxing officials seem to do everything possible to ruin the sport. Anything they can do wrong (pro or amateur) they do.

the scoring is really bad

I've only watched a couple fights and that was enough.

It's completely shit, according the fights I saw only 5 punches were landed in each.

I hate Olympic boxing, it's the Eurovision Song Contest of sport.

Winning a medal at it means virtually nothing nowadays, it's just a matter of who the judges want to put through it seems.

You may as well roll dice to see who gets the medals, ability has virtually nothing to with it.

Frankie Gavin got off lightly, now he can put any thoughts of wasting another 4 years for the London Olympics and start making some real money and having a proper career in the pro's.

Yeah it really seems to have changed for the worse even though it was always crap anyway :confused:.

Olympic boxing is ruined.

I actually think, in many ways, it's harder to win an Olympic boxing gold than it is a World championship. With the Olympics your up against the best young hungry fighters in the whole world. Cuba etc and other fighters from the eastern bloc don't turn pro. In a way there is a purity about Olympic boxing that professional boxing lacks. They are not getting paid, they are there to represent there country.

To me Olympic boxing is like the Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard university of the noble art. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere You only need to look at past Olympics champions and past fighters that done well at the Olympics and then seeing how they fared in the pro ranks to realise that Olympic boxing is a brilliant starting point for any pro fighter.

I think this scoring system is the best out there rather than the old cloak and dagger (Hands in the cards at the end) scoring system of the past. With this system you ACTUALLY get to see what's going on. Besides when we are old and grey and you have your grand kids next to you, what do you think they would be more impressd by ? You telling them that you were a world boxing champion (But got beat later) or if you got your gold medal out and told them that you won this in the Bejing Olympics in 2008.

I can awnser this one
Even though it isnt Olympic level,the gold medal I have from martial arts hanging in the gym does not impress my son one whit
The Toughman Championship Jacket his mom won impresses the hell out of him

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by denilson200

I actually think, in many ways, it's harder to win an Olympic boxing gold than it is a World championship.

---

Definitely, there is only 1 Gold medal per weight class. Look at professional boxing you can have up to 10 recognized World Champions per division.

The Ring Magazine
WBA Super
WBA Regular
WBA interim
WBC
WBC interim
IBF
IBF interim
WBO
WBO interim

Needs 3 judges cant be hard to find.

What was Olympic Boxing like years ago?

I gotta say it's sucked.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by denilson200

I actually think, in many ways, it's harder to win an Olympic boxing gold than it is a World championship.

---

Definitely, there is only 1 Gold medal per weight class. Look at professional boxing you can have up to 10 recognized World Champions per division.

The Ring Magazine
WBA Super
WBA Regular
WBA interim
WBC
WBC interim
IBF
IBF interim
WBO
WBO interim

---

What about the WBC Emeritis?

I think the same, I tune in every day at 5pm to watch the fights and usually last 1 fight, most of which I spend spotting punches that land and are not scored and mocking cuffs that are. It is so frustrating and must be a nightmare for the guys in there, just look at the scores in some bouts are they telling us that on most occasions in 4 rounds only 1 or 2 scoring shots are landed either the defence is amazing or the scoring is a load of crap, mmm wonder which that is. Some of these guys dreams are being ripped up in front of them.

The scoring is also forcing the styles between amateur and professional further apart making it even more difficult to make the transition. Sure amateur boxing is the building section of most boxers career as they progress to professional it is making it a joke and you might as well forget it and do it the way Julio Cesar Chavez Jr has done it, bore people to tears while you learn your trade in the pro ring, you will have more 20 year olds with 20-30 fights.

All in this is not boxing yeah it's a ring with two guys in gloves but it ain't boxing.

What would solve the problem here would be for the judges to wear clkear glasses:o.I mean some of the clean flush shots that dont get counted are soo obvious that it miffs me to see that there dont get counted.Im really looking forward to watch my man "Price" get a medal i just hope the judges dont spoil his changes!!:eek::-\;D

The problem is that all the judges have different angles the rules stipulate that you have to see the punch lands cleanly with the correct part of the glove, and no be blocked in anyway. Then you have to hit the right colour button within a second of all the other judges. A natural reaction to hit the button from seeing a punch will probably take about 0.5 secs, then when you bring the thought process into it you are probably adding another 0.5 secs, therefore anything over that is not scored. then you have got 5 judges 3 out of the five have to hit the button within the 1 second. If you look at the ages of some of the judges they will probably have problems hitting the button in a second anyway, no wonder the scoring is so bad.

Glad to see the blokes are in agreement. ;D

Honestly Olympic boxing is so shit they may as well remove it from the Olympics altogether.

You can no more win the Olympics in boxing on merit than you can win the Eurovision song contest on merit.

It's all down to the whim of the judges.

I've stopped watching it altogether and will just stick to the athletics which they can't fuck up with bullshit interperations and scoring methods.

Yesterday I was watching England vs Cuba (forgot the weight) and the English guy landed a clear body punch with great form just like a J.C. Chavez body punch where you can even hear the sound and guess what, CERO POINT! What the hell?! There are some clear punches I didn’t see anyone getting points on other fights.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chino

Yesterday I was watching England vs Cuba (forgot the weight) and the English guy landed a clear body punch with great form just like a J.C. Chavez body punch where you can even hear the sound and guess what, CERO POINT! What the hell?! There are some clear punches I didn’t see anyone getting points on other fights.

---

I haven't seen a body shot score a point yet, I have not watched all the fights but have seen some decent ones dug in but they never seem to score. Seems to be an ongoing thing with amateur boxing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chino

Yesterday I was watching England vs Cuba (forgot the weight) and the English guy landed a clear body punch with great form just like a J.C. Chavez body punch where you can even hear the sound and guess what, CERO POINT! What the hell?! There are some clear punches I didn’t see anyone getting points on other fights.

---

Yeah I've seen guys get their heads snapped back and staggered and still no point, also I've see people get points for cerrar.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yvonne

What would solve the problem here would be for the judges to wear clkear glasses:o.I mean some of the clean flush shots that dont get counted are soo obvious that it miffs me to see that there dont get counted.Im really looking forward to watch my man "Price" get a medal i just hope the judges dont spoil his changes!!:eek::-\;D

---

All the judges need is a helmet with wires attached so they get 240 volts :shocking:if they dont press a button when the other judges do!
and the reverse when they press it alone ;D.
Oh ok then ,just make it 220 :shocking:.

Seriously though a few volts would help but They also need monitors in front of their faces so that they can look at the screen when the ref or the other fighter is in the way of the action as happens with at least one judge in each combo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by yvonne

What would solve the problem here would be for the judges to wear clkear glasses:o.I mean some of the clean flush shots that dont get counted are soo obvious that it miffs me to see that there dont get counted.Im really looking forward to watch my man "Price" get a medal i just hope the judges dont spoil his changes!!:eek::-\;D

---

All the judges need is a helmet with wires attached so they get 240 volts :shocking:if they dont press a button when the other judges do!
and the reverse when they press it alone ;D.
Oh ok then ,just make it 220 :shocking:.

Seriously though a few volts would help but They also need monitors in front of their faces so that they can look at the screen when the ref or the other fighter is in the way of the action as happens with at least one judge in each combo.

---

I was thinking perspective is a big problem especially when they are close.

olympic scoreing is way beyond pathetic

It's a bad scoring system, and the judges are making it even worse by making bad use of the system.

Boxing is not about punch-counting, especially when the punch-counting system ignores jabs and body shots.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jmbtandy

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Chino

Yesterday I was watching England vs Cuba (forgot the weight) and the English guy landed a clear body punch with great form just like a J.C. Chavez body punch where you can even hear the sound and guess what, CERO POINT! What the hell?! There are some clear punches I didn’t see anyone getting points on other fights.

---

I haven't seen a body shot score a point yet, I have not watched all the fights but have seen some decent ones dug in but they never seem to score. Seems to be an ongoing thing with amateur boxing.

---

Same here, maybe they're blind to body shots or just retarded

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by denilson200

I actually think, in many ways, it's harder to win an Olympic boxing gold than it is a World championship. With the Olympics your up against the best young hungry fighters in the whole world. Cuba etc and other fighters from the eastern bloc don't turn pro. In a way there is a purity about Olympic boxing that professional boxing lacks. They are not getting paid, they are there to represent there country.

To me Olympic boxing is like the Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard university of the noble art. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere You only need to look at past Olympics champions and past fighters that done well at the Olympics and then seeing how they fared in the pro ranks to realise that Olympic boxing is a brilliant starting point for any pro fighter.

I think this scoring system is the best out there rather than the old cloak and dagger (Hands in the cards at the end) scoring system of the past. With this system you ACTUALLY get to see what's going on. Besides when we are old and grey and you have your grand kids next to you, what do you think they would be more impressd by ? You telling them that you were a world boxing champion (But got beat later) or if you got your gold medal out and told them that you won this in the Bejing Olympics in 2008.

---

Open scoring often leads to boring fights and the scoring is not representative of what happens during the rounds.

The problem is I see, other then the many pointed out in this thread already, is that the scoring system is designed to teach boxing. I think for the beginner boxer it is a good idea, as it rewards points based on contact, and usually proper contact. This promotes learning the sport from its basics.

I won't argue that what we are all seeing here is a farce. I'm disgusted watching it and can't believe my eyes. For giving true what I suggest in my first statement above, where are the points for the jabs, the body shots...the contacts? They just don't seem to be there. There is a obvious level of incompetence. As if maybe these fighters are too skilled for these judges to be able to interpret.

I don't know. I have defended the olympic style scoring based on my reasoning as stated in this post in the past...but after watching this debacle on the sport, I am losing faith, and fast.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by denilson200

I actually think, in many ways, it's harder to win an Olympic boxing gold than it is a World championship. With the Olympics your up against the best young hungry fighters in the whole world. Cuba etc and other fighters from the eastern bloc don't turn pro. In a way there is a purity about Olympic boxing that professional boxing lacks. They are not getting paid, they are there to represent there country.

To me Olympic boxing is like the Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard university of the noble art. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere You only need to look at past Olympics champions and past fighters that done well at the Olympics and then seeing how they fared in the pro ranks to realise that Olympic boxing is a brilliant starting point for any pro fighter.

I think this scoring system is the best out there rather than the old cloak and dagger (Hands in the cards at the end) scoring system of the past. With this system you ACTUALLY get to see what's going on. Besides when we are old and grey and you have your grand kids next to you, what do you think they would be more impressd by ? You telling them that you were a world boxing champion (But got beat later) or if you got your gold medal out and told them that you won this in the Bejing Olympics in 2008.

---

So what happened with Audley Harrison?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I can awnser this one
Even though it isnt Olympic level,the gold medal I have from martial arts hanging in the gym does not impress my son one whit
The Toughman Championship Jacket his mom won impresses the hell out of him

---

Ok?

Guys just sit down a minute and think. Why is the scoring method in olympic boxing so bad?? The answer is so easy.
The Olympic commitee could not trust the judges they assigned to render an honest, unbiased decision. Now isnt that a sad reflection of the world situation.
Whoever came up with the system used today must have spent all night at some bar first Its LUDICROUS!!!!!!!!
This all started with the horrendous decision loss handed to Roy Jones jr BUT If you look at Jones career the loss of olympic gold actually helped him. The whole world was behind him. PLus it gave him an excuse he used to the max all through his career .
I wont fight abroad I might get robbed again

[quote=p4pking;581942]

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I can awnser this one
Even though it isnt Olympic level,the gold medal I have from martial arts hanging in the gym does not impress my son one whit
The Toughman Championship Jacket his mom won impresses the hell out of him

---

I should think so if his Mom won a tough MAN contest jacket
Wow !!! what a lady:o;D

Just my opinion but oympic boxing is horrible it is far from showing who the best boxer is basically it the best tapper and runner. Most landing punches don't get counted and it is almost a bad thing if you are a puncher and actually attmept to hurt your opponet cause it's the tapper runner who wins not the best boxer. I am forced to keep up with is cause of my love for the sport and because when ever it's on i get a million calls tellin me so.......

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by C.J.Rock

Guys just sit down a minute and think. Why is the scoring method in olympic boxing so bad?? The answer is so easy.
The Olympic commitee could not trust the judges they assigned to render an honest, unbiased decision. Now isnt that a sad reflection of the world situation.
Whoever came up with the system used today must have spent all night at some bar first Its LUDICROUS!!!!!!!!
This all started with the horrendous decision loss handed to Roy Jones jr BUT If you look at Jones career the loss of olympic gold actually helped him. The whole world was behind him. PLus it gave him an excuse he used to the max all through his career .
I wont fight abroad I might get robbed again

---

Ha, interesting stuff. ;D

It's all up to Wilder now. Good God.

A friend of mine who lives in Thailand sent me this: "It seems that the Americans aren't the only ones complaining about the deplorable scoring system for Olympic Amateur Boxing. Today, the Thais are bitching non-stop. I saw the fight as I'm sure many others around the world have -the one between a Mongolian boxer and a Thai. During the final round I saw the Thai land about 2-3 clear headshots that were not counted and that probably would have gained him the victory. Now the Thai boxing coach is fuming at how the fight was scored, which saw his boxer lose 5-2 to the Mongolian. Challenging the five judges in the end, the coach stated that in tallying up the final scores for the bout two judges favored the Thai fighter, two favored the Mongolian, and one had them both even in points scoreed, so the fight should have been declared a draw....The boxing coach is alleging(and I'm quoting from the newspaper) " Three unamed traitors, Thai nationals in Bangkok and Beijing, have exploited the bias of these judges by making sure they would officiate Thai fights." My point in this post is this: The Americans aren't the only ones bitching about the Olympic scoring system. Other nations are too. Olympic Boxing has now become a joke. And this bias, unfair, totally idiotic scoring system has got to change. It's more corrupt than the scoring system it replaced. Sorry for the long post. Peace." :rolleyes:

The scorring has been poor, especialy to the body.

As poor as the scoring has been, the level of skill has been far worse.