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Just About Sick and Tired
OK,I know you were all shocked when I took Andrew on
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I saw something I could work with in him
I saw heart
He's been dutifully doing my training,the way I want
Ya'all dont know what the kids been through,he got tossed to the wolves before I got him
Now if after I have him for a while,he's still where he is right now,then you got cause to rip him,but for right now,give the kid a freaking break,Im working him to the bone right now,so when he comes in from a day of working his ass off for me,and see's this shit it sets him back
Just mentally
I need the boy's head in the game
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Good luck TM, I still believe in Thunder :)
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Bilbo,Id be surprised,if alot of people arent surprised by Andrew's next performance
He'll probably be the first to say,"You get better,but they aint nice about it"
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Well I think personally people have laid off substantially from this kat compared to how it was going for him here.
Dude wanted to make the bet that if he lost he'd have no right to complain if we badgered him; and if he won he could talk all the sh#t he wanted and we would have to leave him alone.
Now we all know if he won we would have f#cked with him anyways; and he didn't win and look at Thunder now, he can't take the heat, which has been not as hot as it could have been. So that whole bet was worthless anyways, lol.
But really TM, he hardly gets hassled; I haven't said anything to him negative for a minute and he gets less heat on here in general than alot of other guys that just post a boxing opinion that alot of members don't agree with.
The only reason I don't hassle him any more is out of respect for what you are doing{or attempting to do}; but really man, if you think his head isn't in it because he gets picked at like a runt chicken in the coop than maybe he shouldn't come on here. People are going to say something at some point; so maybe he should either deal with it and use it as motivation, or not look at what is said. Don't alot of pro-boxers not come on these boards so this type sh#t doesn't f#ck with their mind?
I don't even know why I'm writing an essay on the woes of Kid Thunder; this place has gone mad:p
And if you read this Thunder, I'm not trying to piss you off, so don't have a hernia or hold your breath over it. Just use it as motivation. And I still want my poster; you haven't pm'd me or acknowledged my posts concerning that poster you promised me.:mad:
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Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
Even I think your being optimisitic if you think you can get Andrew to read Art of War.
What next, have him work through War and Peace?
You going to teach him to read as well? :D
Just joking Andrew mate ;)
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
Well I'm sure you can make something of him, seriously. He won't ever fight for the WBC belt, even he must know that, but anyone can grow and mature in whatever endeavor they pursue if they work. And love goes a long way and blah blah blah.
I think it's great, and best luck to him, but win or lose, improvements or not, that boy is going to take criticism no matter what. Hell, Floyd Mayweather takes tons of heat.
All I'm trying to say, and you already know this, is that if that red button he has is pushed so easy, it always will be and no matter what he does he better learn to deal with it. Just cause' I never boxed in a ring doesn't mean I haven't thrown down many a time; and if you can't get your shit together mentally in a fight, whether in the street or in the ring, you might as well go home!! Andrew's biggest foe is his mind; and that ring is 70-80% mental, and I don't need to have been in the ring to know that.
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Bilbo
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Trainer Monkey
Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
Even I think your being optimisitic if you think you can get Andrew to read Art of War.
What next, have him work through War and Peace?
You going to teach him to read as well? :D
Just joking Andrew mate ;)
Andrew is a pretty interesting cat
At first he comes off as a hillbilly
But then you start talking to him and you realize thats kind of a front,he's alot smarter then people realize
I mean I read Nietzche for fun, and he can do stuff programing wise,with the very same programs I have,I wouldnt even attempt for fear of breaking the whole computer
Honest,you do yourself a disservice if you write the boy off as dumb,because he really is alot smarter then people give him credit for
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Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Bilbo
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
Even I think your being optimisitic if you think you can get Andrew to read Art of War.
What next, have him work through War and Peace?
You going to teach him to read as well? :D
Just joking Andrew mate ;)
Andrew is a pretty interesting cat
At first he comes off as a hillbilly
But then you start talking to him and you realize thats kind of a front,he's alot smarter then people realize
I mean I read Nietzche for fun, and he can do stuff programing wise,with the very same programs I have,I wouldnt even attempt for fear of breaking the whole computer
Honest,you do yourself a disservice if you write the boy off as dumb,because he really is alot smarter then people give him credit for
Nah I agree, I like the kid, he leads an interesting life for sure and dares to be different.
I'm hoping he can get a few W's on his record and silence the doubters.
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LEGION
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Trainer Monkey
Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
Well I'm sure you can make something of him, seriously. He won't ever fight for the WBC belt, even he must know that, but anyone can grow and mature in whatever endeavor they pursue if they work. And love goes a long way and blah blah blah.
I think it's great, and best luck to him, but win or lose, improvements or not, that boy is going to take criticism no matter what. Hell, Floyd Mayweather takes tons of heat.
All I'm trying to say, and you already know this, is that if that red button he has is pushed so easy, it always will be and no matter what he does he better learn to deal with it. Just cause' I never boxed in a ring doesn't mean I haven't thrown down many a time; and if you can't get your shit together mentally in a fight, whether in the street or in the ring, you might as well go home!! Andrew's biggest foe is his mind; and that ring is 70-80% mental, and I don't need to have been in the ring to know that.
He'll just take a bit of time
But come on son,if I didnt defend my boy,would you want to train under me?
Andrew is starting to see the need for focus,I have time to get his motor in gear
Call him my little Diesel;D
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And for the record, the little comment
Both the trainers in the gym are over 6'0"
Andrew isnt
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Trainer Monkey
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LEGION
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Legion,I see what your saying,but the boy has a young guy "see red" gear Im working to get out of him
And Andrew you will read this so to save time,I allready told you Im getting you more focused,and come to think of it,why arent you reading Art Of War the way I told you to?
It'll come together,as long as he keeps listening,it gets better every day
I really do think I can make something of the boy
Well I'm sure you can make something of him, seriously. He won't ever fight for the WBC belt, even he must know that, but anyone can grow and mature in whatever endeavor they pursue if they work. And love goes a long way and blah blah blah.
I think it's great, and best luck to him, but win or lose, improvements or not, that boy is going to take criticism no matter what. Hell, Floyd Mayweather takes tons of heat.
All I'm trying to say, and you already know this, is that if that red button he has is pushed so easy, it always will be and no matter what he does he better learn to deal with it. Just cause' I never boxed in a ring doesn't mean I haven't thrown down many a time; and if you can't get your shit together mentally in a fight, whether in the street or in the ring, you might as well go home!! Andrew's biggest foe is his mind; and that ring is 70-80% mental, and I don't need to have been in the ring to know that.
He'll just take a bit of time
But come on son,if I didnt defend my boy,would you want to train under me?
Andrew is starting to see the need for focus,I have time to get his motor in gear
Call him my little Diesel;D
No, and that's why I am pretty much leaving him alone, like I said out of respect for you; that's it and that's all. Otherwise I'd be jerking his chain every day;D
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How many forums is he on, and in how many wars TM? I mean, c'mon...he is begging for it. I don't see how he has the time to be doing all that on so many forums. Work. Raise 6 kids. How man, how? And somehow still be able to take training seriously?
I spenda lot of time on here, like many of us, and manage to do a good routine. But I'm not a dad raising 6 kids and working full time too. I say something has to go if this training deal is going to be serious. So he should look at his priorities. What is more important?
Let's assume he is a decent man and his family comes first. OK. Family. In. Let's assume he isn't independantly wealthy and does roofing as a hobby. Needs the job to support the family. In. So what does that leave? Time to train or spend a bunch of time on a pile of forums arguing with numerous people who enjoy mocking him, playfully toying with him, making youtube vids etc etc.
Time to prioritize would be my guess. Something has to give. It obviously was training that lost the last battle. You do the math.
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Youngblood
How many forums is he on, and in how many wars TM? I mean, c'mon...he is begging for it. I don't see how he has the time to be doing all that on so many forums. Work. Raise 6 kids. How man, how? And somehow still be able to take training seriously?
I spenda lot of time on here, like many of us, and manage to do a good routine. But I'm not a dad raising 6 kids and working full time too. I say something has to go if this training deal is going to be serious. So he should look at his priorities. What is more important?
Let's assume he is a decent man and his family comes first. OK. Family. In. Let's assume he isn't independantly wealthy and does roofing as a hobby. Needs the job to support the family. In. So what does that leave? Time to train or spend a bunch of time on a pile of forums arguing with numerous people who enjoy mocking him, playfully toying with him, making youtube vids etc etc.
Time to prioritize would be my guess. Something has to give. It obviously was training that lost the last battle. You do the math.
Long story short,there where some reasons other then me getting him late in the game,that Andrew wasnt trained right for the Dumas fight.
And yes Ive allready barked at him about them,he thought I think,Id call the fight
And he's probably right,I probably would have called it off
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Hey I feel where you're coming from Trainer and I respect it. BUT at the same time Kid Thunder is the one hyping himself up and not delivering in the ring and EVERY PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER (no matter what level) gets ripped when they do more talking than walking.
Good luck with getting him trained properly
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Lyle
Hey I feel where you're coming from Trainer and I respect it. BUT at the same time Kid Thunder is the one hyping himself up and not delivering in the ring and EVERY PROFESSIONAL FIGHTER (no matter what level) gets ripped when they do more talking than walking.
Good luck with getting him trained properly
A legitimate point
Please keep in mind,to a degree,he has to hype himself to sell his fights. Every low end fighter does,its the nature of the game,if there's no punters in the seats,you arent getting booked again. When a promoter says "Yeah I'll use you" they aint kidding on that. And if you cant get fannies in the seats,they aint gonna use you again
Note to Charlie Zelenoff who is probably reading this,please take some more meth,and make some more You Tube videos,your keeping yourself off the streets that way,and your making me money;D
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Well yes HYPE is great and all but substance is better and it's a free market out there baby which means not everyone hits it rich and it's not for lack of trying it's just for having a bad product EXAMPLE: If Starbucks made shitty coffee then nobody would pay $4 for it. Kid Thunder isn't a good fighter, he's not an average fighter, he's a shit fighter....sorry but the record speaks for him and until we are proven otherwise then we have every right to rip him when he's bragging about how great he is whilst getting smacked down in the ring.
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LEGION
Well I think personally people have laid off substantially from this kat compared to how it was going for him here.
Dude wanted to make the bet that if he lost he'd have no right to complain if we badgered him; and if he won he could talk all the sh#t he wanted and we would have to leave him alone.
Now we all know if he won we would have f#cked with him anyways; and he didn't win and look at Thunder now, he can't take the heat, which has been not as hot as it could have been. So that whole bet was worthless anyways, lol.
But really TM, he hardly gets hassled; I haven't said anything to him negative for a minute and he gets less heat on here in general than alot of other guys that just post a boxing opinion that alot of members don't agree with.
The only reason I don't hassle him any more is out of respect for what you are doing{or attempting to do}; but really man, if you think his head isn't in it because he gets picked at like a runt chicken in the coop than maybe he shouldn't come on here. People are going to say something at some point; so maybe he should either deal with it and use it as motivation, or not look at what is said. Don't alot of pro-boxers not come on these boards so this type sh#t doesn't f#ck with their mind?
I don't even know why I'm writing an essay on the woes of Kid Thunder; this place has gone mad:p
And if you read this Thunder, I'm not trying to piss you off, so don't have a hernia or hold your breath over it. Just use it as motivation. And I still want my poster; you haven't pm'd me or acknowledged my posts concerning that poster you promised me.:mad:
If anything, him getting picked on here should help fuel his motivation.
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Trainer Monkey
At first he comes off as a hillbilly...
backhanded compliment. ;D
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you all got me all wrong the bet i made still stand but for some ppl are going to far just like the other day somebody here got my number and called me and they said there from saddoboing but wouldnt give me there screen name but anyways this person told me that they wanted to beat me down that fine come on down but like i said everything tm has told me to do i have done it i talk to to tm everyday and we talk about everything so like i said you all can hate on me i dont care but remember this this last fight on aug 9th well let me tell you number 1 i went in to the fight hurt and plus the day befor i need to make weight so i water drain my self but it dosent matter i had the fight won but again it my fault not the promotors not you all it was mine
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You go and beat Zelenoff man, he's a warrior, I'm sure if you beat him people round here will really respect you
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kid_thunder
you all got me all wrong the bet i made still stand but for some ppl are going to far just like the other day somebody here got my number and called me and they said there from saddoboing but wouldnt give me there screen name but anyways this person told me that they wanted to beat me down that fine come on down but like i said everything tm has told me to do i have done it i talk to to tm everyday and we talk about everything so like i said you all can hate on me i dont care but remember this this last fight on aug 9th well let me tell you number 1 i went in to the fight hurt and plus the day befor i need to make weight so i water drain my self but it dosent matter i had the fight won but again it my fault not the promotors not you all it was mine
This is true,I didnt even need him to tell me about the water drain,I knew it when I watched the Dumas fight the first time.
I showed the fight to Feur the next morning,and she saw it too,and said it.
When I talked to him,I said,"You were water drained weren't you?"
"Yeah,I sauna suited to make weight"
I didnt know about the thumb coming in,or Id have told him to back out of the fight
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but you all knew that my thumb was hurt cuz i made a thread about it
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If you planned on making weight then maybe you #1 wouldn't be "water drained" and #2 you'd have better stamina. And also if you water drain yourself, rehydrate yourself, it's a pretty basic idea.
Also if you know you're hurt going into a fight couldn't you plan out a way to win with that in mind and impliment such a plan in the ring, if you still wanted to have the fight?
That sucks about whoever called you up, it's pretty chickenshit IMO.
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Someone from here called you? That's pretty gay.:rolleyes:
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Lyle
If you planned on making weight then maybe you #1 wouldn't be "water drained" and #2 you'd have better stamina. And also if you water drain yourself, rehydrate yourself, it's a pretty basic idea.
Also if you know you're hurt going into a fight couldn't you plan out a way to win with that in mind and impliment such a plan in the ring, if you still wanted to have the fight?
That sucks about whoever called you up, it's pretty chickenshit IMO.
Ive got him on a pretty regimented fitness schedule now.I have run in to this with almost every boxer Ive ever known. They work out,but unless you get regimented they work out wrong. Theres a reason you watch so many fights,and one of the guys has sticks for legs
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Someone from here called you? That's pretty gay.:rolleyes:
That is pretty gay; but funny:D
How the hell would someone get your # Thunder? I know you could get a phonebook; but didn't you move to a new house or something?
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LEGION
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Someone from here called you? That's pretty gay.:rolleyes:
That is pretty gay; but funny:D
How the hell would someone get your # Thunder? I know you could get a phonebook; but didn't you move to a new house or something?
He's in mid-move,I think about 4 people have that number,and it isnt even going to be hooked up until next week
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Trainer Monkey
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LEGION
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Someone from here called you? That's pretty gay.:rolleyes:
That is pretty gay; but funny:D
How the hell would someone get your # Thunder? I know you could get a phonebook; but didn't you move to a new house or something?
He's in mid-move,I think about 4 people have that number,and it isnt even going to be hooked up until next week
So did someone get his cell # or something, or call his old house? Either way that is pretty lame, lol. Gotta be pretty obsessed to call that guy and harass him:p
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LEGION
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Trainer Monkey
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LEGION
That is pretty gay; but funny:D
How the hell would someone get your # Thunder? I know you could get a phonebook; but didn't you move to a new house or something?
He's in mid-move,I think about 4 people have that number,and it isnt even going to be hooked up until next week
So did someone get his cell # or something, or call his old house? Either way that is pretty lame, lol. Gotta be pretty obsessed to call that guy and harass him:p
What I gather is someone got ahold of his moms number,he never charges the damned cell phone.And yeah,that is seriously weak
