Vitali: I'm not ducking anybody!

Vitali: I'm not ducking anybody!

July 18, 2005

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WBC heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko would like to make one thing perfectly clear: He has always wanted to fight Hasim Rahman.

“I read things, but I do not believe what I am reading,” Klitschko said. “Three months ago (April 20), a press release was sent out on my behalf stating that I would be ready to fight again in September. It included a letter from my doctor, Dr. Hyun Bae of Los Angeles.

“I am the world heavyweight champion. I am not ducking any fighters, especially Rahman. I want to prove that I am the best, but to be the best you have to fight the best. I read things that are totally unbelievable.’’

Shelly Finkel, an advisor to the Klitschko brothers, says that two weeks after the Klitschko press release, Don King convinced the WBC to hold a heavyweight fight for the interim championship on July 23.

“No matter what Don tells you, he then changed it from July 23 to Aug. 13, leaving Vitali no time to fight the winner on Sept. 24,” Finkel said.

“What television network could program a fight of this magnitude – any heavyweight title fight -- on six weeks notice, without knowing the winner or potential injury to the winner?” said Bernd Boente, Klitschko Brothers Personal Manager and longtime former television executive. “The answer is zero. None would. It is totally unfeasible, and Don King knew that.’’

In regard to King’s comments that Klitschko is afraid of Rahman, Finkel said: “I really don’t know where Don is coming from on this. Rahman has done absolutely nothing recently to strike fear in any top-notch heavyweight, much less the heavyweight champion, Vitali Klitschko.

“Look at Rahman’s last six fights,” Finkel continued. “He lost to John Ruiz. He could not knock out Al Cole, a blown up light heavyweight who Klitschko once sent home from sparring, and had to settle for a decision. He beat the dreaded Mario Cawley, who had lost six in a row, four by knockout, and Rob Calloway, a 36-year-old from Kansas that no one knows, and Terrance Lewis, who was 31-15 and had lost six of his last seven fights. Then, in an eliminator for the WBC No. 1 position, Rahman beat Kali Meehan, a fighter who was knocked out in one round by Danny Williams.

“Going off those fights, does anyone really believe Vitali is afraid of Hasim? What is perplexing to me is that Rahman is fighting Monte Barrett next month and Don promotes them both. You would think that he only promotes Rahman and that he already won the fight.’’

Added Finkel: “When the WBC sanctioned Vitali to fight the winner of Rahman-Barrett at a 65 percent-35 percent split, Vitali was willing to go directly to the winner. This is the split we originally agreed with Rahman and King on. They sure went through a lot to end up where they began.’’

You beat me by 10 seconds!I just put up the same post! ;D

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You beat me by 10 seconds!I just put up the same post! ;D

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Sorry babe, I just thought that it had to be done. ;D :coolclick: for the effort.

This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

I think vatili would take rahman to the cleaners, he has a great chin, good boxing skills but the only thing he lacks is heart. other than that he can beat everyone in the top 25 IMO

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I think vatili would take rahman to the cleaners, he has a great chin, good boxing skills but the only thing he lacks is heart. other than that he can beat everyone in the top 25 IMO

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I agree. I got all the faith in the world in Vitali...& he's never been dropped. That makes it even better.













Oh yeah...he's a nice guy with a family too...& he's always respectful of his opponants.

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I think vatili would take rahman to the cleaners, he has a great chin, good boxing skills but the only thing he lacks is heart. other than that he can beat everyone in the top 25 IMO

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I agree to a large degree. We will have to see how some of the prospect(s)
i.e. Samuel Peter, comes along. He's way too green for Vitali at this point. Unfortunately, the division isn't packed with talent.

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This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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Please do me a favor and quit the nonsense. Thats just rediculous, hes not on any steroid and couldnt be even if he wanted to.

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I think vatili would take rahman to the cleaners, he has a great chin, good boxing skills but the only thing he lacks is heart. other than that he can beat everyone in the top 25 IMO

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Lacks heart? Where were you in the Klitschko-Lewis fight?

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This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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Please do me a favor and quit the nonsense. Thats just rediculous, hes not on any steroid and couldnt be even if he wanted to.

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I think vatili would take rahman to the cleaners, he has a great chin, good boxing skills but the only thing he lacks is heart. other than that he can beat everyone in the top 25 IMO

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Lacks heart? Where were you in the Klitschko-Lewis fight?

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where were u for the byrd fight? he was way a head on pts and could have kept byrd at bay with one hand when his sholder went on him

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This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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Please do me a favor and quit the nonsense. Thats just rediculous, hes not on any steroid and couldnt be even if he wanted to.

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There is nothing ridiculous about it. There are a number of drugs that an athlete can take that would be undectable by any of the most rigorous testing methods.
Someone with a PhD in Sports Science is well aware of this. I'm of the opinion that both the Klitschkos are using P.E.D. This is merely my opinion though, and it
explains much of the nonsensical situations that both the brothers got into; e.g.
Wlad's persistant exhaustion problems and the number of injuries that Vitali has suffered from. You just can't explain that away SevennDeuce, can you?

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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Please do me a favor and quit the nonsense. Thats just rediculous, hes not on any steroid and couldnt be even if he wanted to.

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There is nothing ridiculous about it. There are a number of drugs that an athlete can take that would be undectable by any of the most rigorous testing methods.
Someone with a PhD in Sports Science is well aware of this. I'm of the opinion that both the Klitschkos are using P.E.D. This is merely my opinion though, and it
explains much of the nonsensical situations that both the brothers got into; e.g.
Wlad's persistant exhaustion problems and the number of injuries that Vitali has suffered from. You just can't explain that away SevennDeuce, can you?

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i bet you cant get away with blaming it on bad luck

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“I am the world heavyweight champion. I am not ducking any fighters, especially Rahman. I want to prove that I am the best, but to be the best you have to fight the best. I read things that are totally unbelievable.’’

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Now that I am drunk as fook...I'd like to go on record as saying... "He's a gotdam liar! He's been duckin the fook outta every in shape fighter on the place of the planet!

Matter o'fact if he fights near December...I got a little Christmas jingle for Vitali: "He's checkin' their weights...he's checkin em twice...he's gonna find out who's fat before the fights...VitaliNoBalls is duckin them clowns...he knows when they been eatin...he knows when they got fat before the fights...he knows who's so slow & plump...errrrrrr...so he can pound them jsut liek rice..."

Or some shat liek that. You could even throw a reindeer covered in snow & Vitali in a sleigh for some kinda Ukraine Rock Video. Could'nt ya just see his big smiling dorky ass in a santa cap? I bet them reindeers'd be going "Goddam this fool is heavy as fook! Rudolph shove that hot bulb of a nose up his ass...maybe he'll get fire mad & actually fight somebody....out of court..." Â ;D

No wait...that's Wlad that's in court...ahhhhhhhhhhhhh shat.

I am drunk again & to all a good night!

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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It sounds to me that you really have it out for the Klitschko's, otherwise you would keep your completely unfounded ideas that they are using steroids to yourself.You bring it up everytime you post about them, give it a rest.

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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It sounds to me that you really have it out for the Klitschko's, otherwise you would keep your completely unfounded ideas that they are using steroids to yourself.You bring it up everytime you post about them, give it a rest.

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I don't have it in for the Klitschkos. There can be nothing farther from the truth.
I'm just following a chain of logic that makes perfect sense and explains many of the issues related to both fighters. Do I think that they are the only ones using P.E.D.'s ? Of course not. But they are both the most obvious suspects.

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Originally Posted by The Shadow

This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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It sounds to me that you really have it out for the Klitschko's, otherwise you would keep your completely unfounded ideas that they are using steroids to yourself.You bring it up everytime you post about them, give it a rest.

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I don't have it in for the Klitschkos. There can be nothing farther from the truth.
I'm just following a chain of logic that makes perfect sense and explains many of the issues related to both fighters. Do I think that they are the only ones using P.E.D.'s ? Of course not. But they are both the most obvious suspects.

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If you come out and make a statement and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up and keep enforcing your belief, then it sounds a little pesemistic to me.To say they are the most obvious suspects because they hold PHd's in sports medicine couldn't be more ludicrous!

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This comes as little surprise. Maybe if Vitali cuts out the use of P.E.D.'s, he won't suffer so many injuries. It only stands to reason that his steroid use has to be a contributing factor to his multiple "training" injuries. Of course, I have no solid, but only anecdotal evidence to support this claim. But it just seems to follow a chain of logic.
There's no way this guy is ducking anyone, per say. I just think he needs to get off the sauce. ;)

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It sounds to me that you really have it out for the Klitschko's, otherwise you would keep your completely unfounded ideas that they are using steroids to yourself.You bring it up everytime you post about them, give it a rest.

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I don't have it in for the Klitschkos. There can be nothing farther from the truth.
I'm just following a chain of logic that makes perfect sense and explains many of the issues related to both fighters. Do I think that they are the only ones using P.E.D.'s ? Of course not. But they are both the most obvious suspects.

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If you come out and make a statement and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up and keep enforcing your belief, then it sounds a little pesemistic to me.To say they are the most obvious suspects because they hold PHd's in sports medicine couldn't be more ludicrous!

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No, I just think that I'm analyzing a certain set of criteria and making an informed assessment about it. I'm not being a pessimist, rather, I think I'm just being a realist. There's nothing ludicrous about what I said. Coming from a former Soviet Block State, where the use of P.E.D.'s is well documented isn't grasping at straws. I'm not trying to irritate anyone with this argument. Nor am I just saying it to piss ardent supporters of both brothers off. I think they are both great for the sport. At the same time, I can't allow that to cloud my judgement calls when it comes to certain issues which seem self-evident.

I feel bad for whoever wins the Barret-Rahman fight...I knew Vitali would get pissed off after a while. Byebye Hasim

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I feel bad for whoever wins the Barret-Rahman fight...I knew Vitali would get p***ed off after a while. Byebye Hasim

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Rahman is gonna get HURT against Klitchko 8)

Im looking forward to the rahman klitchsko fight. Vitali should win easily but thats what they said about lewis. Although rahman career is all from him beating lewis. I think vitali will easily ko rahman.

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No, I just think that I'm analyzing a certain set of criteria and making an informed assessment about it. I'm not being a pessimist, rather, I think I'm just being a realist. There's nothing ludicrous about what I said. Coming from a former Soviet Block State, where the use of P.E.D.'s is well documented isn't grasping at straws. I'm not trying to irritate anyone with this argument. Nor am I just saying it to piss ardent supporters of both brothers off. I think they are both great for the sport. At the same time, I can't allow that to cloud my judgement calls when it comes to certain issues which seem self-evident.

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No you ARE being a pessimist. Not ALL Soviets used roids or HGH and especially after the initial collapse of Communism ( fall of the Berlin Wall ) most of the heavy roid or HGH users were around in the mid to late 70's until the late 80's...Wlad has NEVER tested positive for a banned substance and competed in the 1996 Olympics, Vitali tested positive once and wasn't allowed to compete in the Olympics and this was because of an injury and he took medicine much like James Toney.

You ASSUME that just because of where they are from and their education that they juice along with the fact that Vitali has been injury prone and you take those facts and mold them into your little conspiracy theory, now do you know where Jimmy Hoffa is burried???

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If you come out and make a statement and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up and keep enforcing your belief, then it sounds a little pesemistic to me.To say they are the most obvious suspects because they hold PHd's in sports medicine couldn't be more ludicrous!

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No you ARE being a pessimist. Not ALL Soviets used roids or HGH and especially after the initial collapse of Communism ( fall of the Berlin Wall ) most of the heavy roid or HGH users were around in the mid to late 70's until the late 80's...Wlad has NEVER tested positive for a banned substance and competed in the 1996 Olympics, Vitali tested positive once and wasn't allowed to compete in the Olympics and this was because of an injury and he took medicine much like James Toney.

You ASSUME that just because of where they are from and their education that they juice along with the fact that Vitali has been injury prone and you take those facts and mold them into your little conspiracy theory, now do you know where Jimmy Hoffa is burried???

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I agree to the fullest with both of you :coolclick:. Either of the Klitschkos using any juice is just idiotic. Just because someone was injured a couple times, youre going to go off on how they use juice?

I'd like to state that any intelligent man, specially with a PhD, knows the bad results of most juice and its side effects...so why would they use it? They wouldn't. Not to mention the Klitschkos are the least likely to ever even think of cheating. They dont need to.

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No, I just think that I'm analyzing a certain set of criteria and making an informed assessment about it. I'm not being a pessimist, rather, I think I'm just being a realist. There's nothing ludicrous about what I said. Coming from a former Soviet Block State, where the use of P.E.D.'s is well documented isn't grasping at straws. I'm not trying to irritate anyone with this argument. Nor am I just saying it to p*** ardent supporters of both brothers off. I think they are both great for the sport. At the same time, I can't allow that to cloud my judgement calls when it comes to certain issues which seem self-evident.

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No you ARE being a pessimist. Not ALL Soviets used roids or HGH and especially after the initial collapse of Communism ( fall of the Berlin Wall ) most of the heavy roid or HGH users were around in the mid to late 70's until the late 80's...Wlad has NEVER tested positive for a banned substance and competed in the 1996 Olympics, Vitali tested positive once and wasn't allowed to compete in the Olympics and this was because of an injury and he took medicine much like James Toney.

You ASSUME that just because of where they are from and their education that they juice along with the fact that Vitali has been injury prone and you take those facts and mold them into your little conspiracy theory, now do you know where Jimmy Hoffa is burried???

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Lyle, it appears you have problems with reading comprehension. That being said, let me help you out:
I never said that ALL soviets were using rGH or anabolic steroids. However, it is a well known fact that the government sponsored and encouraged the use of P.E.D.'s in a vast variety of sports. The prevalence in the Ukrain has already been documented by Ukranian scientists. Conspiracy theory? You sound like a child that has to come to realization that your marvel comic book hero is only the creative musings of a comic. Why would it be so disturbing to you and other forum members that the Klitschko's use P.E.D.'s?
As I've stated before, there are a variety of tests that would not pick-up some of the commonly used P.E.D.'s. They have to be banned before they can be tested for and detected. New P.E.D.'s are coming out on practically a monthly basis.
Hmmm.....I guess you would argue that Ronnie Coleman is all natural too.
Any "informed" user of P.E.D.'s would acknowledge that the proper use and administration of the drugs don't lead to nefarious long-term side-effects.
That's merely a load of trumped-up B.S. propagated by individuals who have no long-term research data to support that out-dated claim.
The Klitschkos were both products of the Ukranian sports-machine. If you like to live in the dark with your comrades and not face the reality of the situation, then that's simply your problem. I'll always air on the side of realism, thank you very much.
B.T.W.- Hoffa is swimming with da fishes!! ;)

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You sound like a child that has to come to realization that your marvel comic book hero is only the creative musings of a comic.

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Alright gotdammit! You are really pushing the limits here.

Just which Marvel Comic's hero are you speaking of in such a demeaning way...it better not be Peter Parker or Remy LeBeau...because I'm warning you Shadow...I got love for those two....& you just don't wanna go swimming in water that's deeper than your head.

You got me?!?!?

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You sound like a child that has to come to realization that your marvel comic book hero is only the creative musings of a comic.

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Alright gotdammit! You are really pushing the limits here.

Just which Marvel Comic's hero are you speaking of in such a demeaning way...it better not be Peter Parker or Remy LeBeau...because I'm warning you Shadow...I got love for those two....& you just don't wanna go swimming in water that's deeper than your head.

You got me?!?!?

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Hell man. That's only after 4 pints. There's no saying where I'll be after 8! :o
After 10, I'm no longer responsible for anything I say ;D

Yes but you don't have any FACTS to support your theory that "The Klitschko's" 1) use/have used P.E.D s or 2) Use/have used steroids. All you have is hearsay about a country...I'm an American and so is Barry Bonds and he used steroids, does that mean I use steroids??? Not everything fits together all perfect like other than you being A) An Idiot and B) Irish....ok so I guessed you're Irish....but you're still and idiot, and your posts are facts enough for everyone else to judge

....oh and FYI Barry Bonds' 1. Grand Jury testimony 2. who his trainer was and 3. Victor Conte's testimony are enough proof of his abuse of steroids....got anything like that on Wlad or Vitali??? ........didn't think so


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Yes but you don't have any FACTS to support your theory that "The Klitschko's" 1) use/have used P.E.D s or 2) Use/have used steroids. All you have is hearsay about a country...I'm an American and so is Barry Bonds and he used steroids, does that mean I use steroids??? Not everything fits together all perfect like other than you being A) An Idiot and B) Irish....ok so I guessed you're Irish....but you're still and idiot, and your posts are facts enough for everyone else to judge

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Lyle, thank you for your brilliant and well-thought-out retort to my argument. You are a scholar among scholars, son. With such guielful and substantive debating skills, coupled with your obvious staggering intellect, I'm certain your the gem of your High-School debating team. ;)
The fact that Vitaly used steroids and tested positive for a P.E.D. is harder evidence than the Bonds/Balco nexus. Although I'm quite certain that he used P.E.D.'s to bulk-up and break, what has now become, a record shrouded with
speculation and tons of question marks; your comparison is nothing more than a red herring which exemplifies the ineptitude of your argument.
Some advice for you son:
Get back to bed...it's past your bedtime and your comic books are calling. Hey, who knows, maybe the tooth fairy will pay you a visit. ;D

Oh thanks for your compliments, but could you use a little more sarcasm next time, I only noticed a little bit in your last post.

When did Vitali test positive for a P.E.D? I know he tested positive for a banned substance which kept him out of the Olympics but it was because he was hurt just like James Toney. A steroid for recovery not for bulking up but has he tested positive for a P.E.D or a banned substance let alone steroids in his pro career??? The answer is NO because he has no No Contests on his record because of it so either he's a fucking magician and can wave a wand and turn his piss clean OR he hasn't used anything wrong.

As for Bonds/BALCO well Barry said he was using a cream for arthritis and a clear "flax seed oil" for whatever the hell he was using that for and at BALCO they had some fuss over some STEROID cream and some STEROID clear liquid....also you can look at Barry Bonds as a Pittsburgh Pirate and when he broke the single season home run record and YOU be the judge.

....oh but wait, I forgot you're argument was based on your "certainty" and "a record shrouded with speculation".....and my argument is based on 1) the changing physical size of a person 2) Grand Jury Testimony...which you can't lie during or you've committed Purjury and 3) Numbers....Vitali has ALWAYS KO'd other fighters but Barry Bonds for 14 years of his career had a career low of HRS of 16 and a high of 46 and for the last 4 years of his career has had a low of 45 HRS and a high of 73.....oh but you're SOOOOO right, pat yourself on the back, you make such a great argument you have all these facts.....oh did I say facts I mean circumstantial evidence and not only vs Vitali but vs Wladimir as well....good job, perhaps the Queen of England should be next or maybe you can clear up the JFK Assasination for us was there just Oswald or was there a gunman on the grassy noll???

Oh and just an FYI 1) I've been out of high school for a while and 2) I never did debate...and the tooth fairy still owes me money

Here you go with your Bonds/Balco thing again ::) Yes, it's obvious to me and any objective baseball fan that Bonds was DEFINITELY taking something. As you said, there is a vast difference between his size from the days with the Pirates to his current stature. What the hell am I talking about Bonds for anyway? I thought this was supposed to be about Klitschko. Hence:
What kept him out of the Olympics, Lyle? Oh, yeah, that's right, it was an anabolic steroid. Don't give me that crap..."it was he because he was hurt like James Toney". You're merely grasping at straws to find an excuse for him.
Yes, anabolic steroids due aid in the muscle recovery process.....IN A HUGE WAY! That being said, you just can't dismiss the obvious anabolic effects that it brings to the rest of the body. The steroid will act on all the muscles of the individual and not just the damaged one.
Vitaly Klitschko, and Wlad for that matter, have spent the overwhelming majority of their respective careers fighting in EUROPE where there is a much more lenient policy on the testing for P.E.D.'s.....especially in boxing.
Can you tell me HONESTLY that you haven't noticed considerable size differences between the EUROPE boxing Wlad and the guy that fought over here in the states? I'm certainly not in the minority on this one, Lyle. Many of my friends, and even boxing analysts have commented on it. And no, it simply isn't reduced to the ridiculous charge that Max "jackoff" Kellerman leveled against Wlad when he kicked his sweatheart's butt in Deutschland. ::) Were the size differences staggering? No, of course not. But someone with a PhD in Sports Science is informed enough to know that if he beefs up like Bob Sapp that his
boxing efficiency will be heavily diminished.
The use of anabolic steroids or rGH will NOT give you amazing KO power. Most people recognize that KO prowess is mostly due to the physics of proper leveraging. Both brothers have solid foundations in that area.
That being said, the use of rGH is pretty much undectable after the stoppage of it's administration. I'm fairly certain about this. I've hung around gyms enough to know about many of the tricks-of-the-trade, so to speak.
Both brothers are thinkers, would-be academics if not for their athletic skills.
As I said before, I think that they are great for the sport. However, I would want to be certain, before jumping on any bandwagon, that they are purely
NATURAL athletes. Currently, that assessment is shrouded with alot doubt; at least in my book.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
From Hoffa to Kennedy, man? :rotflmao: What the hell is your obsession with conspiracy theories anyway?
I've already torn the "Queen" to shreds on several other non-boxing forums. But that was for purely political and cultural reasons.
And yes, Oswald killed Kennedy.
Sorry to hear about your tooth fairy woes. I'll be certain to shake her down the next time I see her. ;)

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Here you go with your Bonds/Balco thing again ::) Yes, it's obvious to me and any objective baseball fan that Bonds was DEFINITELY taking something. As you said, there is a vast difference between his size from the days with the Pirates to his current stature. What the hell am I talking about Bonds for anyway? I thought this was supposed to be about Klitschko. Hence:
What kept him out of the Olympics, Lyle? Oh, yeah, that's right, it was an anabolic steroid. Don't give me that crap..."it was he because he was hurt like James Toney". You're merely grasping at straws to find an excuse for him.
Yes, anabolic steroids due aid in the muscle recovery process.....IN A HUGE WAY! That being said, you just can't dismiss the obvious anabolic effects that it brings to the rest of the body. The steroid will act on all the muscles of the individual and not just the damaged one.
Vitaly Klitschko, and Wlad for that matter, have spent the overwhelming majority of their respective careers fighting in EUROPE where there is a much more lenient policy on the testing for P.E.D.'s.....especially in boxing.
Can you tell me HONESTLY that you haven't noticed considerable size differences between the EUROPE boxing Wlad and the guy that fought over here in the states? I'm certainly not in the minority on this one, Lyle. Many of my friends, and even boxing analysts have commented on it. And no, it simply isn't reduced to the ridiculous charge that Max "jackoff" Kellerman leveled against Wlad when he kicked his sweatheart's butt in Deutschland. ::) Were the size differences staggering? No, of course not. But someone with a PhD in Sports Science is informed enough to know that if he beefs up like Bob Sapp that his
boxing efficiency will be heavily diminished.
The use of anabolic steroids or rGH will NOT give you amazing KO power. Most people recognize that KO prowess is mostly due to the physics of proper leveraging. Both brothers have solid foundations in that area.
That being said, the use of rGH is pretty much undectable after the stoppage of it's administration. I'm fairly certain about this. I've hung around gyms enough to know about many of the tricks-of-the-trade, so to speak.
Both brothers are thinkers, would-be academics if not for their athletic skills.
As I said before, I think that they are great for the sport. However, I would want to be certain, before jumping on any bandwagon, that they are purely
NATURAL athletes. Currently, that assessment is shrouded with alot doubt; at least in my book.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
From Hoffa to Kennedy, man? :rotflmao: What the hell is your obsession with conspiracy theories anyway?
I've already torn the "Queen" to shreds on several other non-boxing forums. But that was for purely political and cultural reasons.
And yes, Oswald killed Kennedy.
Sorry to hear about your tooth fairy woes. I'll be certain to shake her down the next time I see her. ;)

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Would you be so kind as to tell me exactly what rgh stands for? I know what hgh is but I,ve never heard of this rgh..........and don't say typo because r and h ain't even close on the keyboard!


I know..................... maybe it stands for Russian growth hormone?? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

I am sure that it doesn't stand for Human growth hormone cause thats HGH.

You almost had me convinced.

JK Jk...........just giving you a hard time..............but seriously though you guys are fighting over pure speculation here.....there havebeen no new developments regarding either Klitschko or steroids.

Furthermore, saying that an athlete is using performance enhancing drugs because he is from Russia is like saying that I am a polesmoker because I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. While yes, it does increase the likelihood of either scenario, it doesn't necessarily make it so.

Just food for thought.

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Hell man. That's only after 4 pints. There's no saying where I'll be after 8! :o
After 10, I'm no longer responsible for anything I say ;D

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I feel you on that shat. ;D

Fuck it, apparently I know absolutely nnothing about nothing....but what's the meaning of life all seeing, all knowing Shadow?

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f*** it, apparently I know absolutely nnothing about nothing....but what's the meaning of life all seeing, all knowing Shadow?

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I would'nt say that...but I want to get back to the subject of Shadow ripping on Marvel characters...I mean...what the F? ;D


Oh & Lyle...apparently...you do know absolutely nnothing about nothing....but I do want you to tell me the meaning of life, even if you can't tell me how to spell nothing. ;D Heh heh.

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f*** it, apparently I know absolutely nnothing about nothing....but what's the meaning of life all seeing, all knowing Shadow?

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I would'nt say that...but I want to get back to the subject of Shadow ripping on Marvel characters...I mean...what the F? ;D


Oh & Lyle...apparently...you do know absolutely nnothing about nothing....but I do want you to tell me the meaning of life, even if you can't tell me how to spell nothing. ;D Heh heh.

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Dude, you are a real pisser :lolhaha: I mean that in the best of ways.

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Would you be so kind as to tell me exactly what rgh stands for? I know what hgh is but I,ve never heard of this rgh..........and don't say typo because r and h ain't even close on the keyboard!


I know..................... maybe it stands for Russian growth hormone?? :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

I am sure that it doesn't stand for Human growth hormone cause thats HGH.

You almost had me convinced.

JK Jk...........just giving you a hard time..............but seriously though you guys are fighting over pure speculation here.....there have been no new developments regarding either Klitschko or steroids.

Furthermore, saying that an athlete is using performance enhancing drugs because he is from Russia is like saying that I am a polesmoker because I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. While yes, it does increase the likelihood of either scenario, it doesn't necessarily make it so.

Just food for thought.

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rGH=recombinant growth hormone taken from manipulated strands of DNA.
It's generally best to refer to it as GH. This is largely due to the fact that HGH has become a misnomer which is generally frowned upon in the scientific community as being misleading.
Very interesting and amusing analogy, man ;D However, I still think that a fairly strong case can be made to support the Klitschko/P.E.D. argument. As I said before, this is just my opinion though.

Rahman says Vitali's been ducking him...... Vitali says he ducks nobody. Â This is SO FRIGGING FRUSTRATING!!!!! Â Makes ME want to go fight fooking Rahman! Â Regardless of who's right and who's wrong, they need to GET IT ON!! Â And man.... when that fight happens, I wouldn't miss it for the world! Â For the record, I think Vitali will take Rahman's head off at the shoulders. Â But just get in there and FIGHT THE GUY!!!!! Â AGGHHHHHHH!!!

(I need a Valium.)

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Dude, you are a real p***er :lolhaha: I mean that in the best of ways.

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:coolclick: ;) ;D

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Rahman says Vitali's been ducking him...... Vitali says he ducks nobody. Â This is SO FRIGGING FRUSTRATING!!!!! Â Makes ME want to go fight fooking Rahman! Â Regardless of who's right and who's wrong, they need to GET IT ON!! Â And man.... when that fight happens, I wouldn't miss it for the world! Â For the record, I think Vitali will take Rahman's head off at the shoulders. Â But just get in there and FIGHT THE GUY!!!!! Â AGGHHHHHHH!!!

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Like I said somewhere else when we were talking...I don't think that Vitali is dodging anyone. He said that all of the other names were rumors & he officially stated that he wanted Rahman as long as King refused all options.

King starts a lot of useless shat before a fight even when he is promoting a fight between two of his "in house" heavies. Can you imagine how threatened he feels now that one of his fighters is the mandatory challenge to a fighter that is not under his thumb & has never been knocked down...much less out?

I'd say that King probably has nightmares of reliquishing that belt to Vitali that cause him to have to scoop shat out from between his sheets with a fookin snow shovel when he wakes up in the mornings now...that's a lot of shat my friends.

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(I need a Valium.)

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Now you're talking wacko's language!!! Whooooooooooooooo hoo!!! Lions, tigers, & bears liquor, & more liquor, & pills oh my!

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Rahman says Vitali's been ducking him...... Vitali says he ducks nobody. Â This is SO FRIGGING FRUSTRATING!!!!! Â Makes ME want to go fight fooking Rahman! Â Regardless of who's right and who's wrong, they need to GET IT ON!! Â And man.... when that fight happens, I wouldn't miss it for the world! Â For the record, I think Vitali will take Rahman's head off at the shoulders. Â But just get in there and FIGHT THE GUY!!!!! Â AGGHHHHHHH!!!

(I need a Valium.)

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Xanax does the trick for me. I feel your pain. :'(

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Oh & Lyle...apparently...you do know absolutely nnothing about nothing....but I do want you to tell me the meaning of life, even if you can't tell me how to spell nothing. ;D Heh heh.

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Yes, I also stutter when I t-t-t-type