Re: Questions re: David Haye
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Dizaster
I havn't seen any of his fights or really followed his career/progress much. However i've read the odd thread on here about him and that he's been saying he can beat Wlad etc.
Pretend I know absolutely nothing about his story (which I pretty much don't), and catch me up with the answers to a few questions.
- Has Haye had any fights in the Heavyweight division yet? (If so who did he fight/how did it go?)
- Does he carry extra weight well and lead people to beleive we would be suited to the Heavyweight division.
- If you had to pick one or two of his biggest assets that he could carry into the Heavyweight division, what would they be?
- Although I may be wrong, it seems as though just from the general idea i've got from reading random threads, he's been talking alot but not actually following up by taking any big fights... Am i correst with this, and what is your opinion on why he hasn't become an active Heavyweight yet?
- Finally, does anyone truely beleive he can do well in that division, and will get behind him?
- Actually, finally finally, is he the sort of guy that could win a LOT of fans over if he does well, or is he a bit of a twat that you kind of watch in the hopes he'll get knocked out (unless you dislike the other fighter even more).
Thank you, this should be a great thread to catch me up on the Haye story with i've somehow avoided up until now..
First of all yes he has fought in the heavyweight division. He fought Polands Tomasz Bonin and KO'd him in round one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOF0XLBhfbo
Secondly he does carry weight well IMO and is expected to weigh in at around 220lbs mark.
To answer your third question I think his best assets at HW will be his relative young age. His great punch power. And finally I think he will have too much speed for most HWs.
He unified the Cruiserweight division in March then announced he would be fighting in HW from then on. He said at the time that he had a few things to work on including his defence so he wouldn't be fighting until about November, which he is expected to be doing against a top 10 heavyweight.
And finally yes I can see him doing very well at HW but only time can truly answer that question. I am a big fan of Hayes and apart from his big mouthing to Wlad he actually normally seems quite a decent Bloke who does talk some sense.
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All i believe is that Have will be a better Heavyweight than he was a Cruserweight. Will he got knocked out a some point.. almost certainly, will be win a couple of belts.. definatly.
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Thanks! You covered everything i'd been wondering there.... Very interesting indeed and I really hope he does well.. I can start getting behind him now... It's a good story so far, and I hope it leads to even greater heights for him.. And anything that takes the heavyweight division to greater levels helps the whole of boxing. At least for an outsiders perspective... I've truely missed some really cracking heavyweight fights..
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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Originally Posted by
Dizaster
Thanks! You covered everything i'd been wondering there.... Very interesting indeed and I really hope he does well.. I can start getting behind him now... It's a good story so far, and I hope it leads to even greater heights for him.. And anything that takes the heavyweight division to greater levels helps the whole of boxing. At least for an outsiders perspective... I've truely missed some really cracking heavyweight fights..
One thing I'll almost certainly guarantee is when he does fight at HW it will be exciting while it lasts no matter what happens.
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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Originally Posted by
Dizaster
I havn't seen any of his fights or really followed his career/progress much. However i've read the odd thread on here about him and that he's been saying he can beat Wlad etc.
Pretend I know absolutely nothing about his story (which I pretty much don't), and catch me up with the answers to a few questions.
- Has Haye had any fights in the Heavyweight division yet? (If so who did he fight/how did it go?)
- Does he carry extra weight well and lead people to believe we would be suited to the Heavyweight division.
- If you had to pick one or two of his biggest assets that he could carry into the Heavyweight division, what would they be?
- Although I may be wrong, it seems as though just from the general idea i've got from reading random threads, he's been talking alot but not actually following up by taking any big fights... Am i correst with this, and what is your opinion on why he hasn't become an active Heavyweight yet?
- Finally, does anyone truely beleive he can do well in that division, and will get behind him?
- Actually, finally finally, is he the sort of guy that could win a LOT of fans over if he does well, or is he a bit of a twat that you kind of watch in the hopes he'll get knocked out (unless you dislike the other fighter even more).
Thank you, this should be a great thread to catch me up on the Haye story with i've somehow avoided up until now..
David Haye beat WBC No.1 contender and undefeated Giacobbe Fragomeni in 2006 in a fight where Frag held a high, tight guard and bulled forward - Haye boxed while landing thudding bodyshots. Haye was cut late on and with the cut getting worse, he upped the tempo and Ko'd Fragomeni in the 9th.
After this fight, it was well acknowledged that Haye was desperately struggling with the weight but as he was now the No.1 contender he wanted to stick around.
His next fight was at Heavyweight and against Poland's Tomas Bonin who was rated about 11th by the WBC and had a 37-1-0 record, the loss was against Audley Harrison in the 9th round 3 years earlier and was somewhat premature though Harrison was winning the fight.
Haye blew Bonin away with 3 knockdowns and weighed 217lbs to Bonins 231lbs.
Haye then had to get backdown to Crusierweight for his shot at the Undisputed Crusierweight Champion France's Jean Marc Mormeck who had defeated American O'Neill Bell in his previous fight.
The weight loss for Haye was almost to much as though he boxed a smart fight, he was on weak legs but he survived a knockdown (which was partially due to standing on an advertising board) and stopped Mormeck in the 7th a win made greater as it was in front of Mormecks fans in Paris.
Haye then destroyed Enzo Maccarinelli in front of 20,000 fans in London. Haye appeared stronger at the weight and this he contributed to not having to get down from Heavyweight and he'd maintained his weight at the Cruiserweight limit in the months before the Enzo fight.
I've followed Haye's career since he won Silver in the World Amateur Championships, he carried a shoulder injury into the final against Cuba's Odlanier Solis and after almost flooring Solis in the 1st round, he faded and was stopped.
The shoulder injury occurred again at the Commonwealth Finals - Haye won a 1st round bout but had to retire from the competition.
At 216lbs against Bonin he looked better than he has in his last 5 fights at Cruiserweight. More solid, stronger but he kept the quick hands and reflexes. I believe his stamina will be fine as he his stronger at the higher weight and not fighting on hollow legs as he did against Mormeck.
Haye is 6"3 with a 78 inch reach so fundamentally has the natural size to be a Heavyweight.
He's not currently active, as he planned to train and put on the weight naturally and this he's done with trainer Adam Booth's program. Haye always said November and that date is still on - its just finding an opponent of decent quality to be in the other corner.
Haye's main attributes are power and reflexes but he also has fast hands and feet - his boxing ability is often overlooked because of his power but he can certainly dance and jab if need to.
He has been talking alot and has always used the Internet to publicize himself. If you watch the interviews it's usually tongue in cheek and he knows when he speaks it goes flying around the Internet. He's well spoken and charismatic though has left the playboy lifestyle behind and settled down.
On whether he can win fans over - I think Yes because of his style and his attitude of wanting to fight the best. When I went to the 02 to watch him fight Enzo, with my mates, after the fight my mate said that Haye didn't have many fans before the fight but just converted 20,000(the crowd).
What do I think he will achieve at Heavyweight? Everything he wants to - there is no one there to stop him. He'll still only be 28 later this year so has plenty of time to develop even more.
His multi million pound contract with Setanta is for 2 non title fights then a title shot and 1 defense. The title shot is dependent on a champion agreeing to meet him and he is having trouble finding his next opponent.(out pricing themselves)
Haye, if he is as good as his talent suggests can be one of the Greatest Heavyweights of All-time IMO.
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used to like Hayes attitude but wasn't a big fan of the chasing after Wlad, that been said inside the ring his fights are great to watch, he looked vgood against Bonin although Bonin really underestimated his power, so still not decided weather I like him or not but I do like watching him fight.
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Like Haye or loath him , he brings power , personality , and a suspect chin , now that my friends makes entertainment.;D
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Met Haye. He's a down to earth guy friendly blah I rate him highly!
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Posted on another thread, a bit of self promotion by Haye...
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People should not hate Haye because his fans are going over board. He is a good fighter and we are all desperate for some real quality in the heavyweight division. The hype is all good to gain interest and just hope he delivers.
Re: Questions re: David Haye
Should be an interesting three years or so as he's said he wants to be retired by then , he's a bit classless the way he's gone after Wlad straight away but you have to admire his confidence:o
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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LeonardW12Hagler
Should be an interesting three years or so as he's said he wants to be retired by then , he's a bit classless the way he's gone after Wlad straight away but you have to admire his confidence:o
I personally doubt he will be retired in 10 years never mind 3!
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rjj tszyu
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LeonardW12Hagler
Should be an interesting three years or so as he's said he wants to be retired by then , he's a bit classless the way he's gone after Wlad straight away but you have to admire his confidence:o
I personally doubt he will be retired in 10 years never mind 3!
You think so ? Maybe when he's tasted the money around to be made he'll rethink:D
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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LeonardW12Hagler
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
LeonardW12Hagler
Should be an interesting three years or so as he's said he wants to be retired by then , he's a bit classless the way he's gone after Wlad straight away but you have to admire his confidence:o
I personally doubt he will be retired in 10 years never mind 3!
You think so ? Maybe when he's tasted the money around to be made he'll rethink:D
Well how many times do you hear boxers saying that they are going to retire after such a date and how many actually do? If Haye retired in 3 years he'd be retiring in the prime of his life so I just don't see it.
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
LeonardW12Hagler
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rjj tszyu
I personally doubt he will be retired in 10 years never mind 3!
You think so ? Maybe when he's tasted the money around to be made he'll rethink:D
Well how many times do you hear boxers saying that they are going to retire after such a date and how many actually do? If Haye retired in 3 years he'd be retiring in the prime of his life so I just don't see it.
Let's hope not if he retired that early people would always criticise him and not rate him for not having "longevity" he needs to have a reign to be remebered as a legend;D
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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LeonardW12Hagler
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rjj tszyu
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LeonardW12Hagler
You think so ? Maybe when he's tasted the money around to be made he'll rethink:D
Well how many times do you hear boxers saying that they are going to retire after such a date and how many actually do? If Haye retired in 3 years he'd be retiring in the prime of his life so I just don't see it.
Let's hope not if he retired that early people would always criticise him and not rate him for not having "longevity" he needs to have a reign to be remebered as a legend;D
Yes he does. But he also needs a big challenge too which Klitschko could well be. In fact if he turns out to be a good HW Haye and Wlad could well make each other legends and save the division. That is in an ideal world of course.
Re: Questions re: David Haye
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
LeonardW12Hagler
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
Well how many times do you hear boxers saying that they are going to retire after such a date and how many actually do? If Haye retired in 3 years he'd be retiring in the prime of his life so I just don't see it.
Let's hope not if he retired that early people would always criticise him and not rate him for not having "longevity" he needs to have a reign to be remebered as a legend;D
Yes he does. But he also needs a big challenge too which Klitschko could well be. In fact if he turns out to be a good HW Haye and Wlad could well make each other legends and save the division. That is in an ideal world of course.
They could do we need a great heavyweight trilogy / rivalry to reignite interest in the division.
