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Apart from Pavlik America does not seem to have any up and coming stars to take the place of De La Hoya,Mosely and Mayweather who are gone or going to be gone soon.:-\
So can any of our friends from across the pond inform us of Americas next superstars.;D
I have big hopes for James Kirkland; I like the way he is coming along. Superstar? Who knows....but I'm hoping.
The Peterson brothers seemed on par for great things, but they are starting to bore me. I'm hoping to see some step up in competition soon; I think they have the potential to become stars.
berto looks pretty good, could go along way.
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Originally Posted by Preme
Yeah I was gonna say Berto . He reminds me of a cross between Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather . I think he will be flying the flag for the States for the next 5 years in Floyds absence.
Rau'Shee Warren? Demetrius Andrade? Gary Russell Jr., Garry Russell III, Wilder, and the list goes on. Don't let the olympics fool you both Andrade and Warren were world champions in 2007,and they got screwed by nature of the olympic competition this year.
Lot's of potentials out there...
Berto, Gamboa, Mares, Dirrell, Cloud, Ward, Angulo, JuanMa.
From what I've seen i'd say Cloud and Berto excite me most.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Warren looked good and I think his own corner screwed him at the games there wasn't exactly a sense or urgency in there in that last round when he was one point down:confused:
Andre Berto no doubt. I also am a fan of Timothy Bradley. A lot of people ain't sold on him though, Bradley is a good fighter IMO.
Oh yes another one I have seen a bit of is Daniel Jacobs. He looks the part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaNykLVRkec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ske_u...eature=related
I like Vernon Paris and Yuriorkis Gamboa
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Anyways, that's my pick I think he can endear himself to the media and he has the Olympic pedigree. But who knows, I thought Jermain Taylor would be the biggest star in boxing by this time too. And he has a pretty big following from the Jordan crowd too as he is part of Team Jordan, he gets a lot of play there which can mean quite a bit as he'll likely be one of the only boxers with his own shoe. Zab had light up shoes if I remember correctly ;D
Plenty of guys I like, the Petersons probably get more press then any of the young crop because of their story and just how good they are. I mean just soooo good, I think they will be stars for a long time to come.
I can see Berto having the huge Push behind him as far as promotion and TV friendly appeal.So many different elements go into attaining the 'Super star' headline,Charisma,style,Good back story,management & promotion team,etc.I think he will be must see TV but Imo defiantly has a long way to go before actually realizing superstardom, as opposed to being pushed as a superstar.That goes for everyone really.If that makes sense :-X
Looking forward to see more of this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Oh and in the second Video ;D LOL Oh man as a Puerto Rican I'm ashame of that guy . hehe
yea im feelin berto right now and for tim bradley he needs some work i know the guy we went to school togeather we know him as ray ray but im hopeing he steps up and does some big things nice to see people speakin on himQuote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
The top 10 American prospects still trump any other 2 nations combined, easily.
Tavoris Cloud, both Petersons, and Chris Arreola. Arreola especially because of his raw nature which appeals to casual fans.
If we're talking next gen fighters yet to come up you have Demetrius "Boo Boo" Andrade...
He's gonna make a big splash when he enters the Pro ranks in a few years... Maybe sooner.
Demetrius Andrade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-cont...us_andrade.JPG
Tavoris Cloud, Andre Dirrell and Victor Ortiz.
It won't be easy. ODLH won gold so right there he had exposure. Also, he's not a bad-looking guy either, has charisma, skills, kept KOing guys right from the start of the pros and started fighting big names since his 14th fight. Abner Mares seems to be going through the right path so far. He has even appeared on some shows like myth-busters. We'll see how it goes.
To become a superstar in America, you have to have the talent of course, you have to be an undefeated champion, and you have to have something outside of just boxing that can be marketed to the general public. Quite honestly, I don't consider Pavlik a true superstar yet. Let's not forget that he hasn't even carried a pay per view by himself yet. He's still on his way up and I think that his stardom ceiling is kinda low because he doesn't really have anything outside of boxing to market. He's great to watch but in terms of mainstream audiences knowing him, I just don't see it.
The biggest American stars of the last 15 years all had something that could be marketed in American society at the time:
Tyson - Unmatched violence and aura of invincibility in the ring that created huge interest and buzz. Held the most important title in the world. Trainwreck out of the ring that tabloids and TV loved to cover that took his celebrity to an unheard of level in boxing. Superstar.
De La Hoya - American Olympic gold medalist with a tragic story. Good looks brought a whole new demographic to boxing (women). Took on all challenges. Mingling with actors, singers, and high profile athletes increased his celebrity. Superstar.
Roy Jones Jr - Cried tears of disappointment at the Olympics after he was clearly screwed out of a gold medal. Probably, the most awe-inspiring fighter EVER to watch that constantly provided topics for watercooler conversation on Monday mornings. The person probably most responsible for popularizing the P4P term. Superstar.
Floyd Mayweather Jr - Olympic bronze medalist. The most technically gifted boxer to come along in the past 25 years. Probably, the most loud-mouthed and brash fighter to come along since Sugar Ray. Increased celebrity by capitilizing on American fascination with flashy, extremely egotistical, superstar athletes. People paid to see him win but more importantly people paid to see him lose. A true "villian". Superstar.
There is simply no other pro American boxer that comes to mind that has superstar qualities. Andre Berto has the talent and it looks like he's well spoken but I just don't get superstar from him. When I watched RJJ, Oscar, and Floyd in their formative years, I thought to myself, he's gonna be big one day. I don't get that from Berto. I think Andrade has a good chance to be a star because he's got the talent and he's already caused quite a bit of controversy (walking outta the ring before scores were announced at the Olympics) and he's not even pro yet. Andre Ward is another guy who I think can probably be a star because his gold medal and an undefeated record will take him to the cusp but his personality seems kinda drab.
Berto's a pug... Joch Clottey rips him... :rolleyes:
Man boston what is your deal with Berto rip on him every chance you get. this post was so long ago when i thought berto would be something man was i wrong on him. But at least i was right about Bradley doing something at least.
Keith Thurman
I'm not really sure to be honest with you... I just feel he's not elite and has a belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Andre Berto and Sergio Mora are perfect examples of the state of the sport and how B level fighters can earn an A level reward... Cuz there's so many friggin belts... WBA, WBO, WBC, IBF...
It's irritating... Does Berto have skill and potential? Yes he does. He meets an elite welter he gets knocked back to earth from the cloud he's sitting on.
Same with Mora:rolleyes:
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Just happened to bump into this thread that was recommended while I was in the other thread I made. Seems like most people were wrong about Berto. And if I was here when this thread was made, I would have thought Berto would be that next superstar also.
Deontay Wilder
Too bad about Berto to and Kirkland. I thought they would be at the top as well. Kirkland seems to be content having half assed training and fighting schedule. I guess Berto is one dimensional and injury prone. All though quite a few have fallen short I think the US will continue to produce great boxers, I mean look at that guy Adrian Broner, you may not have heard about him yet but he is definitely the next Floyd, just ask him.
Thurman could be the new Berto.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Only a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I honestly had high hopes for Berto, he had blistering speed which I was really impressed with. I have high hopes for Thurman too but you can never tell with certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOnly a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Same here, I had high hopes for Berto. I also had high hopes for Victor Ortiz and even Amir Khan, but eventually as their careers progress, people saw the flaws. All 3 never reached that superstar level, which only a few in the sport has attained.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI honestly had high hopes for Berto, he had blistering speed which I was really impressed with. I have high hopes for Thurman too but you can never tell with certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOnly a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Berto has legs like a Flamingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI honestly had high hopes for Berto, he had blistering speed which I was really impressed with. I have high hopes for Thurman too but you can never tell with certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOnly a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No wonder you like GG...lol
Golovkin has the legs of a crack-addicted wheel-chair bound polio victim.
Holyfield had slim legs, they are perfect for a fighter who needs the muscle on the top half of the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneBerto has legs like a Flamingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI honestly had high hopes for Berto, he had blistering speed which I was really impressed with. I have high hopes for Thurman too but you can never tell with certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOnly a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No wonder you like GG...lol
Golovkin has the legs of a crack-addicted wheel-chair bound polio victim.
Roy Jones had chicken legs too. Its not kickboxing so a person with stick legs can go far in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolyfield had slim legs, they are perfect for a fighter who needs the muscle on the top half of the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneBerto has legs like a Flamingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI honestly had high hopes for Berto, he had blistering speed which I was really impressed with. I have high hopes for Thurman too but you can never tell with certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOnly a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No wonder you like GG...lol
Golovkin has the legs of a crack-addicted wheel-chair bound polio victim.
There's not much coming through from what I can see. My list would be Easter, Waaren and Thurman but they don't have anyone who's gonna sell like PAC or Floyd
I'm sometimes curious if Andre Ward can pull it of. Certainly not the top but become a superstar.At this point certainly not but I think he has the ability and talent to get there but at this point he has a Wladish style which will probably guarantee him a good record but certainly not endear him to the fans. Perhaps he can break through at some point, but I doubt it
Jesus those guys didn't really pan out, did they? Nice pick, idiot me from 6 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Berto was a lot like that, very top heavy. His problem wasn't thin legs it was having two left feet, practiced flaws and non development prior to reaching the top tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolyfield had slim legs, they are perfect for a fighter who needs the muscle on the top half of the body.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneBerto has legs like a Flamingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI honestly had high hopes for Berto, he had blistering speed which I was really impressed with. I have high hopes for Thurman too but you can never tell with certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneOnly a fool would think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
No wonder you like GG...lol
Golovkin has the legs of a crack-addicted wheel-chair bound polio victim.