This poll is on here to clear up an argument im having with DD.
I think RJJ was the best of the 3 and im sure most of u guys do 2.
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This poll is on here to clear up an argument im having with DD.
I think RJJ was the best of the 3 and im sure most of u guys do 2.
this post should never have been put up. jones at middle was the best ever
I was a fan of Benn & being English I would want he & Eubank to win in a fight with RJJ but you have to realistic.
These are not easy fights for RJJ but fights he should win. Benn's defence was suspect & Eubank could'nt fight going forwards.
Eubank kicked benn ass so been would rank in 3rd there
Jones was better than both combined and you could also throw in Steve Collins as well to make it a tri-fecta!
RJJ EASY...so Eubank beat up on RJJ in the 80's when Roy was a little kid, WOW but let us see how he does vs the RJJ who knocked down Toney or KO'd Montel Griffin in 1.....Benn might have put on some pressure but come on, RJJ was a masterful counter puncher and would pick him apart
i voted for eubank - but it was close between him and rjj
I kno ill never change ure mind but please look at this poll DD. Even british fans who love benn and eubank hav voted for rjj cos they are realists and hav a sound knowledge of boxing.
RJJ was better than Benn and Eubank and didnt duck them anymore than they did him
That's the truth.
Roy Jones Junior was nearly unbeatable in the mid to late 90's. Probably the fastest boxer who ever lived. He dominated people more than any other boxer I have ever watched.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
We Honestly will never know cause RJJ ducked him Lyle
FACT ;)
Eubank was the best. I think American fans have a overhyped opinion of Jones because of his mostly substandard opposition and the massively biased and spinned media coverage of American fighters.
Best fighter - Benn
Best Boxer - RJJ
I believe Eubank was the best, Jones' fundamentals were absolutely awful in all honesty. Eubank's fundamentals weren't the best either because he had his own style, and Benn always lacked concentration, but I just feel that Eubank was the most fluid boxer of the three and didn't rely on natural reflexes(Jones) or punching power(Benn). Plus Eubank could clear his head quicker than both of them and Pre-Watson he was the best finisher.
I'd say the 1994 Jones would have rocked Eubanks...
Eubanks lost to Steve Collins in 95... RJJ would have outboxed Collins back then.
He was simply too fast at Middleweight.
And RJJ didn't duck Benn. He was moving up to Light Heavyweight in 96, it was part of his career plan. He would have beaten Nigel after the McClellan fight, no question-- Benn was a diminished fighter after Mc knocked him through the ropes in round 1 (the ref gives a slow count, watch the tape), and knocked down again in the 8th. Brutal fights like that take their toll on boxers.
I'd predict a UD for Jones against Eubanks in 94-95, or possibly a late round TKO.
I disagree with everything you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by glass_joe
There is nothing impressive in Eubank & Benns record's. Did they have great fights? Yes. But nothing other boxers have done. RJJ record on the other hand speaks for itself. I'm sure either Eubanks & Benn would have gotten a shot in their but nothing major. What other boxer you know can put both of his hands behind his back make you miss and counter punch your a$$ out. One thing I do question tho' is the opponent's he fought not top quality during his reign as the king.
Eubank used to do all of those showman things in his early career, way before Jones Jr used to do them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
At 160, or 168 Jones wouldn't have just outboxed both men, he would have knocked each guy out! Too bad when Jones became the man, neither Benn, nor Eubank would leave Europe to fight, Benn wouldn't even leave England!
Is RJJ the first boxer to have 7 titles in single division?
WBC Light Heavyweight Title
IBF Light Heavyweight Title
WBA Light Heavyweight Title
IBO Light Heavyweight Title
WBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBA Light Heavyweight Title
NBA Light Heavyweight Title
I would say so, but I don't put any stock in the alphabet titles...hell, Eubank never was a legit champion!
Not fair to make a comparison really. Â Benn career were way shorter than RJJ's or Eubanks. Â It depends on what point in their careers and did Benn ever really reach his full potential? Â Would that have been good enough to beat Jones at his best? Â We know it only produced a loss and a draw to Eubanks.
Some of you have probably read this but this suggests RJJ Â style was impacted by the Benn/McClellan debacle. Â Not sure before then but after that fight took place (which is again an unfair comparison because Benn wasn't the same) Â RJJ would have outslicked Benn ala Michael Watson.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=1263&more=1
Eubanks...I don't know  I'd still lean toward RJJ but It wouldn't be the normal lopsided beatdown he usually delved out in his prime.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashley1
RJJ can fight when he's ready.
You have been digging imp. :)
Roy could fight, box and dance better than anyone.
RJJ without question, although I have a lot of respect for Eubank and Benn, I just don't believe there were on prime Roy's level.
OH wow, just realized this was made shortly after the Tarver and Johnson KO's.
I still remember that Tarver KO with disdain. Seeing it live I felt like it was the end of an era, the end of a truly special fighter.
It was shocking to see Roy knocked out like that. Tarver did have that great quote when the referee wanted to ask if there were any questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
Yes it was a great time for Tarver. It's just a shame Roy had to lose to such a mediocre fighter. To see him out hustled by Glen Johnson right after and then completely embarrassed by Hopkins.
Glenn Johnson went on a good run after beating Jones, he went on to beat Tarver too.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
Ah yes, I was a big fan of Glen's for sure. Very humble, hard worker. Road Warrior was a great name for him, he was on the wrong end of more than a few home town decisions.
But to be realistic, Johnson and Tarver were never even close to being in the same class as a prime Jones, so it was sad for me to see him losing to guys he would have obliterated 2-3 years previous IMO.
If Roy retired after Ruiz he would be regarded as one of the ATG with Robinson et al.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
You're probably right. It is a shame. I remember him talking about retiring back then, he wanted to set up a Tyson fight and then retire. Shows his heart was no longer in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIf Roy retired after Ruiz he would be regarded as one of the ATG with Robinson et al.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidgil
It's a shame such a great talent made such a mockery of his career. Most of these greats fight a few fights too long. Roy has now fought over a decade too long :eek:
This question depends on how you are defining "fighter". Roy was the most naturally gifted of the three, and would be my favorite in head to head match ups (understanding that this is boxing and all three could bang, so anything can happen). Benn was the meanest, best defined "fighter" of the trio (vice "boxer"). Eubank was, in my opinion, the most cerebral and awkward of the three, with arguably the biggest punch (all three were beasts in my opinion, but the shot Eubank landed on Watson was scary).
When looking at level of competition, I feel like Roy takes it with wins over Hop, Ruiz, Tarver, and Toney. Benn has G-Man and Barkley on his resume, while Eubank has Watson and Benn. Looking st the style match ups, Roy's natural gifts/speed are a nightmare for both, while Eubank probably gives Roy the harder fight than Benn.
Now for the controversial part of my post: I think Roy ducked both fighters and I started to lose respect for him for not fighting Benn after Nigel beat G-Man (Roy's friend). This was the period where Roy started to look at boxing as purely business and risk vs reward, and stopped chasing greatness. Seeing Gerald crippled definitely had an affect on Roy, and while I don't blame him for looking out for his and his family's best interests, I have to be honest and say it affects his historical rankings on many lists. The most frustrating aspect of this is that I'm pretty sure he could've run through Benn, Eubank, Darius, Collins, Frankie Liles (Collins/Liles would've been toughest style match ups of that group, but I still think Roy wins)...etc., and would've retired as one of the top two or three p4p ATGs EVER. Instead, we have to watch the most talented boxer ever lose to people who shouldn't even be his sparring partners. Sad.
You are tough on Roy, who was a marvel in the ring which we have never seen before.
Benn, who was the smaller fighter, was a vicious hitter with either hand whereas Eubank had a sharp/heavy right hand.
Agree that I'm tough on Roy, but feel I am consistent/fair. I have four kids now (I'm old) and I'm much harder on my oldest daughter than I am on the others. She's three grade levels above where she should be, and in honors classes on top of that. She is in trouble with me if she gets a B+. One of her brothers is the opposite, where he gets "B"s from time to time and I don't punish him at all, I reward him. Roy is like my oldest daughter, he's a phenom who the sport will likely never see the likes of again. Head to head I would pick Roy against anyone in history, to include Robinson. Roy didn't fulfill that potential. He had a phenomenal career, but when you are that gifted, a phenomenal career is a given. Had he possessed Manny's desire for greatness and audacity, Roy would've beaten everyone at or near his weight class, to include guys like Tyson, Jirov, Holyfield...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Roy was never a heavyweight and would have been obliterated by Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodAgree that I'm tough on Roy, but feel I am consistent/fair. I have four kids now (I'm old) and I'm much harder on my oldest daughter than I am on the others. She's three grade levels above where she should be, and in honors classes on top of that. She is in trouble with me if she gets a B+. One of her brothers is the opposite, where he gets "B"s from time to time and I don't punish him at all, I reward him. Roy is like my oldest daughter, he's a phenom who the sport will likely never see the likes of again. Head to head I would pick Roy against anyone in history, to include Robinson. Roy didn't fulfill that potential. He had a phenomenal career, but when you are that gifted, a phenomenal career is a given. Had he possessed Manny's desire for greatness and audacity, Roy would've beaten everyone at or near his weight class, to include guys like Tyson, Jirov, Holyfield...etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Give your eldest daughter a break and praise her. :)
It's natural to look at Roy as the naturally talented boxer, but we forget he had a big punch in both hands! Especially at 168.
He knocked Sugar Boy dead with one punch, something Eubank and Benn failed to do.
He knocked out the iron chinned Tony Thorton in 3 rounds, something Eubank and Toney couldn't do. Tony was at the end of his career but still, impressive.
Merqui Sosa in 2, not a great fighter but a very hard out.
At 168 I would put Roy's power up there with either man. Perhaps Benn had a bigger wallop overall but RJJ was not far behind IMO.
So where's my hero Michael Watson in the list?
How can he not be included....?
Beat Benn by KO with a single Jab and 100% beat Eubank on points in the first fight which every journalist and pundit agreed was the right result. (should never have been that fateful second fight)
Would he have beaten Jones..? Who Knows but maybe and ;)
Anyway out of the 3 the best boxer was easily RJJ then Eubank then Benn.
But in a War RJJ would have got smashed by Eubank and Benn which is why he swerved them both ;)
Benn most exciting fighter but not best when Eubank stopped him in a fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by impAgreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ashley1
RJJ can fight when he's ready.
Eubanks chin and will would leave him a danger to anyone. Check out the Calzaghe fight. He was due to fight for the European title at light heavy and got about 10 days notice to face Calzaghe for the WBO super middle and always had some weight to shift so went in not in the best circumstances for himself. Calzaghe has said that was his toughest ever fight and watch the last seconds of it, Eubank cracks him and has Calzaghe out on his feet!
Bothe Benn and Eubank would have put Calzaghe under the most pressure he's ever been in. I think the difference is Eubanks chin would be a better bet.
Jones opponents weren't the best quality. Was Toney really that great? Look how Benn dealt with Barkley. That's probably Jones bet win.
Watson got outclassed by McCallum so it shows you the USA fighters were a level above our British fighters. On their best day, Roy, Toney and Nunn beat Benn, Watson and Eubank.