Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
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Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Glenn Johnson fight:
The next injustice was added to Ottke’s record in his very next outing when he failed to land any meaningful shots on a game Glen Johnson. Johnson, on the other hand, was more productive and assertive. He cleanly outboxed Ottke and somehow ended up losing 115-113 on all three scorecards. Even Johnson himself says of the fight, “I won that fight hands down and they gave it to him.” Johnson is not really the type to cry wolf, and has often given Bernard Hopkins high-praise for beating him so soundly when the two met in the ring.
Charles Brewer:
His big shot, a shot that I cannot imagine justifying either at the time or in retrospect, came against the tough and game Charles “The Hatchet” Brewer—In Ottke’s thirteenth professional fight. The IBF must have either been under the spell of some black magic, or really had it in for “The Hatchett” because when they sanctioned a fight against the untested, incapable Ottke in his native Germany they were handing Brewer a ticket to highway robbery. Brewer outboxed, outhustled, outlanded, and outclassed Ottke from bell to bell. There was little room for argument. Brewer had won the fight. The catch was that when the cards came back they scored for a split decision that went to Ottke. The judging was criminal, and made the cards from O’Neil Bell’s ungodly win over Dale Brown look fair and unbiased. Ottke was given the title belt, and so began his numb, passionless reign during which he strangled the life out of the IBF 168-pound belt and perhaps unwittingly derailed the careers of several top-fighters by garnering grossly-undeserved decision victories.
Byron Mitchell:
In 2003 Ottke was awarded a criminal split-decision over Byron Mitchell at which point he lifted Byron’s WBA strap. Mitchell was ahead 116-112 on one card, which seemed to be the fairest estimation of the fight that was turned in that night. Mitchell served up humble pie when asked about the robbery saying, “Obviously, I did not do enough to influence the judges that I won. I have no excuses.” I give Mitchell all the credit in the world for holding his head up high and refusing to down-talk Ottke, but that decision was high-treason, and Mitchell would likely have come out losing on the cards if he knocked Ottke down in every round.
Robin Reid:
“Das Phantom” was outboxed so effectively by Robin Reid for the first half of the fight that Reid, again to his discredit, had it in mind to take Sven the distance and assume that injustice would not prevail. After five rounds, Reid was told that he was well behind Ottke on all three judges’ scorecards. Reid, knowing he would have to knock Ottke out to win, went after the German, and after aggressively stalking and cornering him throughout the second half of the fight without being hit in return with anything significant, Reid retired to his corner and braced himself for the buggering he was about to endure. Ottke won a majority decision that can only be described as a heinous miscarriage of the integrity of the sport of boxing.
The man the legend that is Sven Ottke the guy that could sway a judge with a fleeting glare a guy that could make every referee turn into a Jay Nady (biast prick) he will live in infamy a man who won no less than 28 decision in Germany.
WOW!
What about his fights with Thomas Tate 1 David Starie Mads Larsen they were all just as controversial.......
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
The Tate fight was a disgrace and Starie beat him in nearly every round.
The guy is a fraud.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Glenn Johnson fight:
The next injustice was added to Ottke’s record in his very next outing when he failed to land any meaningful shots on a game Glen Johnson. Johnson, on the other hand, was more productive and assertive. He cleanly outboxed Ottke and somehow ended up losing 115-113 on all three scorecards. Even Johnson himself says of the fight, “I won that fight hands down and they gave it to him.” Johnson is not really the type to cry wolf, and has often given Bernard Hopkins high-praise for beating him so soundly when the two met in the ring.
Charles Brewer:
His big shot, a shot that I cannot imagine justifying either at the time or in retrospect, came against the tough and game Charles “The Hatchet” Brewer—In Ottke’s thirteenth professional fight. The IBF must have either been under the spell of some black magic, or really had it in for “The Hatchett” because when they sanctioned a fight against the untested, incapable Ottke in his native Germany they were handing Brewer a ticket to highway robbery. Brewer outboxed, outhustled, outlanded, and outclassed Ottke from bell to bell. There was little room for argument. Brewer had won the fight. The catch was that when the cards came back they scored for a split decision that went to Ottke. The judging was criminal, and made the cards from O’Neil Bell’s ungodly win over Dale Brown look fair and unbiased. Ottke was given the title belt, and so began his numb, passionless reign during which he strangled the life out of the IBF 168-pound belt and perhaps unwittingly derailed the careers of several top-fighters by garnering grossly-undeserved decision victories.
Byron Mitchell:
In 2003 Ottke was awarded a criminal split-decision over Byron Mitchell at which point he lifted Byron’s WBA strap. Mitchell was ahead 116-112 on one card, which seemed to be the fairest estimation of the fight that was turned in that night. Mitchell served up humble pie when asked about the robbery saying, “Obviously, I did not do enough to influence the judges that I won. I have no excuses.” I give Mitchell all the credit in the world for holding his head up high and refusing to down-talk Ottke, but that decision was high-treason, and Mitchell would likely have come out losing on the cards if he knocked Ottke down in every round.
Robin Reid:
“Das Phantom” was outboxed so effectively by Robin Reid for the first half of the fight that Reid, again to his discredit, had it in mind to take Sven the distance and assume that injustice would not prevail. After five rounds, Reid was told that he was well behind Ottke on all three judges’ scorecards. Reid, knowing he would have to knock Ottke out to win, went after the German, and after aggressively stalking and cornering him throughout the second half of the fight without being hit in return with anything significant, Reid retired to his corner and braced himself for the buggering he was about to endure. Ottke won a majority decision that can only be described as a heinous miscarriage of the integrity of the sport of boxing.
The man the legend that is Sven Ottke the guy that could sway a judge with a fleeting glare a guy that could make every referee turn into a Jay Nady (biast prick) he will live in infamy a man who won no less than 28 decision in Germany.
WOW!
:lolhaha: It's obvious you don't watch fights for yourself. This copy and paste job says it all. Nobody is calling Ottke great. Far from it. He got his share of gifts. But the Brewer rematch and Mitchell fight weren't one of them. I tell you what, pay the shipping and I'll send you a copy of the Brewer rematch and Mitchell fight. Close fights. But not robberies
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Glenn Johnson fight:
The next injustice was added to Ottke’s record in his very next outing when he failed to land any meaningful shots on a game Glen Johnson. Johnson, on the other hand, was more productive and assertive. He cleanly outboxed Ottke and somehow ended up losing 115-113 on all three scorecards. Even Johnson himself says of the fight, “I won that fight hands down and they gave it to him.” Johnson is not really the type to cry wolf, and has often given Bernard Hopkins high-praise for beating him so soundly when the two met in the ring.
Charles Brewer:
His big shot, a shot that I cannot imagine justifying either at the time or in retrospect, came against the tough and game Charles “The Hatchet” Brewer—In Ottke’s thirteenth professional fight. The IBF must have either been under the spell of some black magic, or really had it in for “The Hatchett” because when they sanctioned a fight against the untested, incapable Ottke in his native Germany they were handing Brewer a ticket to highway robbery. Brewer outboxed, outhustled, outlanded, and outclassed Ottke from bell to bell. There was little room for argument. Brewer had won the fight. The catch was that when the cards came back they scored for a split decision that went to Ottke. The judging was criminal, and made the cards from O’Neil Bell’s ungodly win over Dale Brown look fair and unbiased. Ottke was given the title belt, and so began his numb, passionless reign during which he strangled the life out of the IBF 168-pound belt and perhaps unwittingly derailed the careers of several top-fighters by garnering grossly-undeserved decision victories.
Byron Mitchell:
In 2003 Ottke was awarded a criminal split-decision over Byron Mitchell at which point he lifted Byron’s WBA strap. Mitchell was ahead 116-112 on one card, which seemed to be the fairest estimation of the fight that was turned in that night. Mitchell served up humble pie when asked about the robbery saying, “Obviously, I did not do enough to influence the judges that I won. I have no excuses.” I give Mitchell all the credit in the world for holding his head up high and refusing to down-talk Ottke, but that decision was high-treason, and Mitchell would likely have come out losing on the cards if he knocked Ottke down in every round.
Robin Reid:
“Das Phantom” was outboxed so effectively by Robin Reid for the first half of the fight that Reid, again to his discredit, had it in mind to take Sven the distance and assume that injustice would not prevail. After five rounds, Reid was told that he was well behind Ottke on all three judges’ scorecards. Reid, knowing he would have to knock Ottke out to win, went after the German, and after aggressively stalking and cornering him throughout the second half of the fight without being hit in return with anything significant, Reid retired to his corner and braced himself for the buggering he was about to endure. Ottke won a majority decision that can only be described as a heinous miscarriage of the integrity of the sport of boxing.
The man the legend that is Sven Ottke the guy that could sway a judge with a fleeting glare a guy that could make every referee turn into a Jay Nady (biast prick) he will live in infamy a man who won no less than 28 decision in Germany.
WOW!
Ottke won many fights controversially. Old news.
It humours me how u call Jay Nady biased yet the most biased ref in boxing is British, Dave Parris.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
I watched the Reid fight live and although I havent really seen any other fights of Ottkes other than clips, I find it hard to imagine any other of his bouts being as unfair as this one.
If im not mistaken, I think Reid is the only man to drop Ottke but they didnt count it, just one of the injustices in this bout.
I do have to admire Ottke for as shitty as he looked he had something in his style that stopped good powerfull fighters from being effectiive.
He would have given anyone nightmares and a bout with Calzaghe would have been interesting, although I feel Joe would have won he probably would have been robbed but I think it would have made a good fight and would have put a better name on Joes resume.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
I have only really seen the Robin Reid fight it was the worst robbery I have seen
If I was Joe I would have wanted nothing to do with him in Germany I can see why sven never stepped out of his back yard
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Glenn Johnson fight:
The next injustice was added to Ottke’s record in his very next outing when he failed to land any meaningful shots on a game Glen Johnson. Johnson, on the other hand, was more productive and assertive. He cleanly outboxed Ottke and somehow ended up losing 115-113 on all three scorecards. Even Johnson himself says of the fight, “I won that fight hands down and they gave it to him.” Johnson is not really the type to cry wolf, and has often given Bernard Hopkins high-praise for beating him so soundly when the two met in the ring.
Charles Brewer:
His big shot, a shot that I cannot imagine justifying either at the time or in retrospect, came against the tough and game Charles “The Hatchet” Brewer—In Ottke’s thirteenth professional fight. The IBF must have either been under the spell of some black magic, or really had it in for “The Hatchett” because when they sanctioned a fight against the untested, incapable Ottke in his native Germany they were handing Brewer a ticket to highway robbery. Brewer outboxed, outhustled, outlanded, and outclassed Ottke from bell to bell. There was little room for argument. Brewer had won the fight. The catch was that when the cards came back they scored for a split decision that went to Ottke. The judging was criminal, and made the cards from O’Neil Bell’s ungodly win over Dale Brown look fair and unbiased. Ottke was given the title belt, and so began his numb, passionless reign during which he strangled the life out of the IBF 168-pound belt and perhaps unwittingly derailed the careers of several top-fighters by garnering grossly-undeserved decision victories.
Byron Mitchell:
In 2003 Ottke was awarded a criminal split-decision over Byron Mitchell at which point he lifted Byron’s WBA strap. Mitchell was ahead 116-112 on one card, which seemed to be the fairest estimation of the fight that was turned in that night. Mitchell served up humble pie when asked about the robbery saying, “Obviously, I did not do enough to influence the judges that I won. I have no excuses.” I give Mitchell all the credit in the world for holding his head up high and refusing to down-talk Ottke, but that decision was high-treason, and Mitchell would likely have come out losing on the cards if he knocked Ottke down in every round.
Robin Reid:
“Das Phantom” was outboxed so effectively by Robin Reid for the first half of the fight that Reid, again to his discredit, had it in mind to take Sven the distance and assume that injustice would not prevail. After five rounds, Reid was told that he was well behind Ottke on all three judges’ scorecards. Reid, knowing he would have to knock Ottke out to win, went after the German, and after aggressively stalking and cornering him throughout the second half of the fight without being hit in return with anything significant, Reid retired to his corner and braced himself for the buggering he was about to endure. Ottke won a majority decision that can only be described as a heinous miscarriage of the integrity of the sport of boxing.
The man the legend that is Sven Ottke the guy that could sway a judge with a fleeting glare a guy that could make every referee turn into a Jay Nady (biast prick) he will live in infamy a man who won no less than 28 decision in Germany.
WOW!
:lolhaha: It's obvious you don't watch fights for yourself. This copy and paste job says it all. Nobody is calling Ottke great. Far from it. He got his share of gifts. But the Brewer rematch and Mitchell fight weren't one of them. I tell you what, pay the shipping and I'll send you a copy of the Brewer rematch and Mitchell fight. Close fights. But not robberies
Your the only person ive ever spoken to that thinks Ottke/Mitchel was not a robbery. I`ll upload the fight and see what the forum thinks.
I had it 118-110.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
Dont think i've seen many of his other fights but as a Robin Reid fan its still disgusts me everytime I watch their fight!
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
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Originally Posted by
eagle
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Glenn Johnson fight:
The next injustice was added to Ottke’s record in his very next outing when he failed to land any meaningful shots on a game Glen Johnson. Johnson, on the other hand, was more productive and assertive. He cleanly outboxed Ottke and somehow ended up losing 115-113 on all three scorecards. Even Johnson himself says of the fight, “I won that fight hands down and they gave it to him.” Johnson is not really the type to cry wolf, and has often given Bernard Hopkins high-praise for beating him so soundly when the two met in the ring.
Charles Brewer:
His big shot, a shot that I cannot imagine justifying either at the time or in retrospect, came against the tough and game Charles “The Hatchet” Brewer—In Ottke’s thirteenth professional fight. The IBF must have either been under the spell of some black magic, or really had it in for “The Hatchett” because when they sanctioned a fight against the untested, incapable Ottke in his native Germany they were handing Brewer a ticket to highway robbery. Brewer outboxed, outhustled, outlanded, and outclassed Ottke from bell to bell. There was little room for argument. Brewer had won the fight. The catch was that when the cards came back they scored for a split decision that went to Ottke. The judging was criminal, and made the cards from O’Neil Bell’s ungodly win over Dale Brown look fair and unbiased. Ottke was given the title belt, and so began his numb, passionless reign during which he strangled the life out of the IBF 168-pound belt and perhaps unwittingly derailed the careers of several top-fighters by garnering grossly-undeserved decision victories.
Byron Mitchell:
In 2003 Ottke was awarded a criminal split-decision over Byron Mitchell at which point he lifted Byron’s WBA strap. Mitchell was ahead 116-112 on one card, which seemed to be the fairest estimation of the fight that was turned in that night. Mitchell served up humble pie when asked about the robbery saying, “Obviously, I did not do enough to influence the judges that I won. I have no excuses.” I give Mitchell all the credit in the world for holding his head up high and refusing to down-talk Ottke, but that decision was high-treason, and Mitchell would likely have come out losing on the cards if he knocked Ottke down in every round.
Robin Reid:
“Das Phantom” was outboxed so effectively by Robin Reid for the first half of the fight that Reid, again to his discredit, had it in mind to take Sven the distance and assume that injustice would not prevail. After five rounds, Reid was told that he was well behind Ottke on all three judges’ scorecards. Reid, knowing he would have to knock Ottke out to win, went after the German, and after aggressively stalking and cornering him throughout the second half of the fight without being hit in return with anything significant, Reid retired to his corner and braced himself for the buggering he was about to endure. Ottke won a majority decision that can only be described as a heinous miscarriage of the integrity of the sport of boxing.
The man the legend that is Sven Ottke the guy that could sway a judge with a fleeting glare a guy that could make every referee turn into a Jay Nady (biast prick) he will live in infamy a man who won no less than 28 decision in Germany.
WOW!
Ottke won many fights controversially. Old news.
It humours me how u call Jay Nady biased yet the most biased ref in boxing is British, Dave Parris.
I don't know Cortez seems to favour whoever has paid him off quite regular lol
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
David Starie wasn't robbed against Ottke (have you guys claiming that seen the fight?).
I remember watching him lose a BORING, close-ish fight fair and sqaure. Ottke was simply too good for him. And i'm pretty sure Starie admitted it.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
eagle
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Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
Glenn Johnson fight:
The next injustice was added to Ottke’s record in his very next outing when he failed to land any meaningful shots on a game Glen Johnson. Johnson, on the other hand, was more productive and assertive. He cleanly outboxed Ottke and somehow ended up losing 115-113 on all three scorecards. Even Johnson himself says of the fight, “I won that fight hands down and they gave it to him.” Johnson is not really the type to cry wolf, and has often given Bernard Hopkins high-praise for beating him so soundly when the two met in the ring.
Charles Brewer:
His big shot, a shot that I cannot imagine justifying either at the time or in retrospect, came against the tough and game Charles “The Hatchet” Brewer—In Ottke’s thirteenth professional fight. The IBF must have either been under the spell of some black magic, or really had it in for “The Hatchett” because when they sanctioned a fight against the untested, incapable Ottke in his native Germany they were handing Brewer a ticket to highway robbery. Brewer outboxed, outhustled, outlanded, and outclassed Ottke from bell to bell. There was little room for argument. Brewer had won the fight. The catch was that when the cards came back they scored for a split decision that went to Ottke. The judging was criminal, and made the cards from O’Neil Bell’s ungodly win over Dale Brown look fair and unbiased. Ottke was given the title belt, and so began his numb, passionless reign during which he strangled the life out of the IBF 168-pound belt and perhaps unwittingly derailed the careers of several top-fighters by garnering grossly-undeserved decision victories.
Byron Mitchell:
In 2003 Ottke was awarded a criminal split-decision over Byron Mitchell at which point he lifted Byron’s WBA strap. Mitchell was ahead 116-112 on one card, which seemed to be the fairest estimation of the fight that was turned in that night. Mitchell served up humble pie when asked about the robbery saying, “Obviously, I did not do enough to influence the judges that I won. I have no excuses.” I give Mitchell all the credit in the world for holding his head up high and refusing to down-talk Ottke, but that decision was high-treason, and Mitchell would likely have come out losing on the cards if he knocked Ottke down in every round.
Robin Reid:
“Das Phantom” was outboxed so effectively by Robin Reid for the first half of the fight that Reid, again to his discredit, had it in mind to take Sven the distance and assume that injustice would not prevail. After five rounds, Reid was told that he was well behind Ottke on all three judges’ scorecards. Reid, knowing he would have to knock Ottke out to win, went after the German, and after aggressively stalking and cornering him throughout the second half of the fight without being hit in return with anything significant, Reid retired to his corner and braced himself for the buggering he was about to endure. Ottke won a majority decision that can only be described as a heinous miscarriage of the integrity of the sport of boxing.
The man the legend that is Sven Ottke the guy that could sway a judge with a fleeting glare a guy that could make every referee turn into a Jay Nady (biast prick) he will live in infamy a man who won no less than 28 decision in Germany.
WOW!
Ottke won many fights controversially. Old news.
It humours me how u call Jay Nady biased yet the most biased ref in boxing is British, Dave Parris.
I don't know Cortez seems to favour whoever has paid him off quite regular lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkssF47xioQ
Nady at his most fair :o
Watch the first 1:20 count how many unfair warnings Ruiz gets i count 10. Nady said before the fight:
"I wont let Ruiz take Roy out of his gameplan"
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
Reid stands out in that it was the ref that did most damage not the judges. Actually being warned for putting too much on his punches, completely outrageous.
He did have his fair share of good decisions, but as some said he was effective at neutralising a lot of attacks. That being said he wouldn't be champ if he were from any other country.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
Who has actually seen Ottke-Johnson?
I haven't.
Johnson is "robbed" in every losing fight.. even if they're close. So how bad was it?
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Who has actually seen Ottke-Johnson?
I haven't.
Johnson is "robbed" in every losing fight.. even if they're close. So how bad was it?
Pretty bad.
I had it 8-4 Johnson.
Re: Sven (The Sham) Ottke.
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Originally Posted by
Markusdarkus
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Who has actually seen Ottke-Johnson?
I haven't.
Johnson is "robbed" in every losing fight.. even if they're close. So how bad was it?
Pretty bad.
I had it 8-4 Johnson.
Hmm.. that looks pretty bad. I take it those rounds were clear-cut.
If they are close-ish or even tough-ish to score, a judge only has to see two rounds different to make it a draw.
