Paul Williams to fight Andy Kolle at Middleweight on Sept. 25th on Versus

This should be interesting. ;)

I've never heard of Andy Kolle. :dontknow:


ESPN - Welterweight titlist Williams to fight middleweight Kolle - Boxing

boooo no chris vs david....gay

i was really hopeing for that fight too, wonder why tua didnttake the fight i think he needs it

What the FUCK?

Andy Kolle, the same one who Andre Ward with about 6 fights beat him soundly, the same Kolle who just went life and death vs. Vanda?

Can I ask why?

My mistake I just checked and Andre Ward had 8 fights not 6... :p

Talk about poor management and bad decision by Williams after all he has a saying in who he fights.

I mean come on at least pick a Middleweight that at least people are somewhat familiar with and or have seen.

Enrique Ornelas
Marco A. Rubio
David Lopez
Brian Vera
Koren Ghevor
Miguel A. Espino
How about Jantuha what's he up to these days.
Get Joey Gilbert in there... Oooops! wait a minute, nevermind he's uuummm busy. :wackomz4:

what the hell is this...

Williams has beat Margarito, and avenged his loss, he is hot right now.. why waste time in the prime of your career fighting fights like this ?

I think this is Williams testing the water at middleweight, boxrec have him in to defend his wbo welter title 2 months after, don't think he'll be able to drop that quickly :confused:

Just a stay busy fight for Williams

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what the hell is this...

Williams has beat Margarito, and avenged his loss, he is hot right now.. why waste time in the prime of your career fighting fights like this ?

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You meant Quintana right?

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what the hell is this...

Williams has beat Margarito, and avenged his loss, he is hot right now.. why waste time in the prime of your career fighting fights like this ?

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You meant Quintana right?

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No, he ment what he said. Williams did beat Margarito and Williams did avenge his loss to Quintana. Williams is another fighter that no one want's to fight and I don't blame them. Margarito/Williams II has to be made next year.

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what the hell is this...

Williams has beat Margarito, and avenged his loss, he is hot right now.. why waste time in the prime of your career fighting fights like this ?

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You meant Quintana right?

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Yea quintana

But i do think the Marg rematch is needed

Well Paul Williams has been struggling to make 147 pound limit and Jr Middleweight is a weak division at the moment so maybe he can move up successfully with his physical attributes i have no problem with this fight this is just warm up fight to see how he fares at Middleweight if he is successful at moving up he will fight the big boys soon enough.

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I think this is Williams testing the water at middleweight, boxrec have him in to defend his wbo welter title 2 months after, don't think he'll be able to drop that quickly :confused:

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That's why he's fighting a nobody at middleweight, probably not going to bulk up for it properly, just test how it feels to be in with a middleweight.

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what the hell is this...

Williams has beat Margarito, and avenged his loss, he is hot right now.. why waste time in the prime of your career fighting fights like this ?

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You meant Quintana right?

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Yea quintana

But i do think the Marg rematch is needed

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Me too.

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You meant Quintana right?

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Yea quintana

But i do think the Marg rematch is needed

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Me too.

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The only way the fight would happen now is if Antonio Margarito would move up to 154 and i don't think he is very comfortable at that weightclass......

But i only consider the Paul Williams fight as Antonio Margarito's true loss so unless he is really willing to revenge that loss he would have to make few sacrifices which i don't think he will.

Surely their must be someone he can fight at 147.

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Surely their must be someone he can fight at 147.

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Yes there is but he is having too many weight problems making the weight and it is physically hard for 6'2 fighter like Paul Williams to make 147 pounds.

Surely theres another more recognizable name he can fight at Middle....

Even for a tune up, this sounds ridiculous. But it will still be interesting to see Williams at MW.

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Koren Ghevor

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Not related to this thread as such, but if you didnt know already, you might find it interesting Mick. Khoren Gevor is fighting Amin Asikainen next. It's for the vacant EBU belt (that Amin held before losing to Sylvester last year).

I don't think any Welters were in a hurry to fight him and he is probably realized making welter was draining him too much. Everyone seems to have fights lined up and I think this is a good test the waters fight. He is still big for middleweight. I'm curious to see if he gains anything from the move up.

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Even for a tune up, this sounds ridiculous. But it will still be interesting to see Williams at MW.

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Koren Ghevor

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Not related to this thread as such, but if you didnt know already, you might find it interesting Mick. Khoren Gevor is fighting Amin Asikainen next. It's for the vacant EBU belt (that Amin held before losing to Sylvester last year).

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Yeah I saw that fight after I posted this. ;D

Come ooooon Amin...

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Surely theres another more recognizable name he can fight at Middle....

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See the thing is Mick is that this fight isn't really an important one the way you think its just a fight just to see if Paul Williams can handle the weight while keeping all of his attributes Paul Williams will for certain fight the big names at Middleweight if he looks impressive Paul Williams isn't the kind of fighter to duck opponents.

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Surely theres another more recognizable name he can fight at Middle....

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See the thing is Mick is that this fight isn't really an important one the way you think its just a fight just to see if Paul Williams can handle the weight while keeping all of his attributes Paul Williams will for certain fight the big names at Middleweight if he looks impressive Paul Williams isn't the kind of fighter to duck opponents.

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I perfectly understand what the fight is about trust me kid, I know.

Still there are more recognizable names out there he could have fought.
Brian Veras gotten exposure with his win over Lee.
Why not Vera? Def. more recognizable then Kolle and it's not like Veras this HUGE threat to Paul.

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Surely theres another more recognizable name he can fight at Middle....

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See the thing is Mick is that this fight isn't really an important one the way you think its just a fight just to see if Paul Williams can handle the weight while keeping all of his attributes Paul Williams will for certain fight the big names at Middleweight if he looks impressive Paul Williams isn't the kind of fighter to duck opponents.

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True True, but Andy Kolle is still a bit of a weak choice, even for a gimme fight. I guess he must have improved since the Ward fight, since he's on a bit of a winning streak. I can actually understand why he wouldn't want Vera or one of the highly ranked Europeans. I wonder if Elvin Ayala or Miguel Espino would have been available. Those those might have been better real tests, o even see if Sebastian Demers would take a chance to get his career back on track.

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Surely theres another more recognizable name he can fight at Middle....

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See the thing is Mick is that this fight isn't really an important one the way you think its just a fight just to see if Paul Williams can handle the weight while keeping all of his attributes Paul Williams will for certain fight the big names at Middleweight if he looks impressive Paul Williams isn't the kind of fighter to duck opponents.

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I perfectly understand what the fight is about trust me kid, I know.

Still there are more recognizable names out there he could have fought.
Brian Veras gotten exposure with his win over Lee.
Why not Vera? Def. more recognizable then Kolle and it's not like Veras this HUGE threat to Paul.

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I understand what your saying and i agree but i just think there playing safe because say if Paul Williams did indeed get in trouble against one of the better Middleweights would he be able to withstand it and would his legs hold up or etc ?

Two weightclasses is alot to move up too and i have no problem with this fight aslong as Paul Williams fights one of the top 8 Middelweights if he looks impressive in this one as he should but i for certain agree about Brian Vera he would of been good choice IMO.

hes gonna fight at middle, then go back down to welter for a title defense and he said he might move up again permantly. if thats the case he should fight margarita then

Im not quite sure why Williams took this guy, it will not benifit him in no way... I hope him and Margo fight..

I would have rather seen Paul move to 154. 154 is a mess. You got the Latin Fake and a 39 yr old Forrest battling it out for the WBC title. Then you have Cory "Send you to sleep" Spinks and Vernon Phillips who is 38 and has 10 losses on his resume. Then a past it ODLH who has 1 fight in him left which won't even be at 154. The jr-middle divison needs sorting out.

Williams is too much clas for this guy, he should be fighting better.

And if he moves to 154 then the competition isn't there for the big fights for him

Seems to me williams is getting his feet wet at 160 and taking a fight that he almost can't loose, the more important question here is how the hell does this guy ever make 147, him and clottey should have taught castillo thier little secret.

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I would have rather seen Paul move to 154. 154 is a mess. You got the Latin Fake and a 39 yr old Forrest battling it out for the WBC title. Then you have Cory "Send you to sleep" Spinks and Vernon Phillips who is 38 and has 10 losses on his resume. Then a past it ODLH who has 1 fight in him left which won't even be at 154. The jr-middle divison needs sorting out.

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Same here I think 154 would be a relatively easy divison to clean up in , strange to jump 2 divisions when the plan was to defend the welterweight title:confused: I have never heard of the opponent either !

Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reported today that after this fight, that Williams may not go back down to welterweight, since no one wants to fight him there.

His reported fight for the end of November may be against Verno Phillips for his Jr Middleweight title.

Like I said earlier, it's a keep busy fight, and since they're considering making welter again soon it makes sense to take on someone of limited threat at middle since they might be planning on Paul coming in the ring at low 150's.

If he were moving up permanently it'd make sense to test the waters with a Vera, but even as limited as Vera is Williams would have to bulk up 'properly' to match the guy in strength, which would severely damage his hopes of coming back down fast and safe (a la Roy Jones).

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Surely theres another more recognizable name he can fight at Middle....

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See the thing is Mick is that this fight isn't really an important one the way you think its just a fight just to see if Paul Williams can handle the weight while keeping all of his attributes Paul Williams will for certain fight the big names at Middleweight if he looks impressive Paul Williams isn't the kind of fighter to duck opponents.

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I perfectly understand what the fight is about trust me kid, I know.

Still there are more recognizable names out there he could have fought.
Brian Veras gotten exposure with his win over Lee.
Why not Vera? Def. more recognizable then Kolle and it's not like Veras this HUGE threat to Paul.

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Someone help me understand this, as I am confused.

He is fighting Andy Kolle to maybe test the waters a bit; but why was he so gung-ho to get in with Pavlik? Wasn't there a serious chance that Williams was going to get a shot at Pavlik a few weeks ago; or he and his camp were making noise about it? If he thought he was ready for Kelly, who's at the top, why would he need to tread water in the shallow end in fighting Kolle? Or was that alot of nonsense about him wanting to fight Kelly? Just curious.

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Dan Rafael of ESPN.com reported today that after this fight, that Williams may not go back down to welterweight, since no one wants to fight him there.

His reported fight for the end of November may be against Verno Phillips for his Jr Middleweight title.

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Isn't Phillips fighting John Duddy ?

i think dan rafael is right no one wants to fight him not even margarita, paul is more dangerous than most people think he punches alot with a little power, doesnt get tired and has a pretty decent chin cause i seen him take some hard shots from quintana and is too tall to get too. and i think he should do well at mw if he doesnt fight pavlik.;)

Duddy was the rumor, but I don't think it ever got signed. If Phillips team has been talking with Williams, too, that might explain the hold up.

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Duddy was the rumor, but I don't think it ever got signed. If Phillips team has been talking with Williams, too, that might explain the hold up.

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Whats happening with John Duddy he seems to have fallen off the radar lately.

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Duddy was the rumor, but I don't think it ever got signed. If Phillips team has been talking with Williams, too, that might explain the hold up.

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Whats happening with John Duddy he seems to have fallen off the radar lately.

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he's due to fight in Belfast soon, I think they wanted to bring Phillips over, not sure who he's gonna fight though

Chance for Williams to look devastating in a prime time slot,really not much more.Really can not blame him too much for a soft touch if the network and promotion offer it on silver platter.I think he can own Jr. Middle in short order with a possible exception to an inactive and up in the air wright.At middle,an entirely different matter!