David Haye: Can he live up to the hype?

My thoughts are that #1 The hype is CRAZY for a guy who has already lost and has never fought a top heavyweight #2 He's shown limited defense, stamina, and chin at cruiserweight #3 The heavyweight division is deeper than anyone cares to notice, the only thing is it's not consistent which therefore gives us more average fighters and not many great fighters.



I say he eventually wins A belt but he'll get beaten before he gets to Wladimir and when he gets to Wlad he'll get beaten again. I think that doesn't live up to the hype and so I say right now he's not going to please his fans who are already sold on him beating Wladimir.

I think he may be sparked out cold on his way to the belt he wants:-\
hate to say it but i've seen him get bashed about a fair bit in the past by Cruisers (Thompson,Mormeck and Fragommeni (at times) and i really want him to do well but just feel that the gap and power of a full blown Heavy connecting in comparison to a cruiser is a massive step up and a huge ask.
I look at things in black and white when it comes to the fight game and yeah Evander did it but can anyone honestly say that Hayes chin is anywhere near that of Holyfields!
like i said i'll be routing for him all the way but just have this gut feeling that even a rahman could spark him if he catches him flush.
We shall see and i agree with what your saying Lyle...
PS whats it like inside the Klits bum these days..?:-X;D

I haven't voted because its to difficult to tell he has to have a fight at top 10 Heavyweight before anyone can say one way or another

If his stamina and defence haven't bulked up like his body then he is in for a short career as the saviour of the heavyweights

I want to like Haye I want him to be a great British champ but I fear we are seeing the second coming of Audley

I voted "No, he will not last in the HW Div."

I'm sorry. But none of us have any reason to be sold. Granted there are a shitload of "what ifs" but we could do that with any fighter.

Haye has very nice power and good handspeed but a leaky defense that will not suit him against the bigger guys.

Could he go on to win a belt? Maybe. WE HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO REFERENCE POINT! THE MAN HAS NOT EVER FOUGHT AVEN A MID LEVEL NATURAL HEAVYWEIGHT!

For people to preach him the next big thing is ludicrous.

I do not wish him any ill will and if he IS the saviour of the HWs... GREAT! I'd love to see that. But I have no reason to be sold and neither does anyone else nomatter how many numbers they throw at me.

When he fights a legit natural HW then we'll have some history to talk about. Other then that... It's a moot point.:cool:

...and if he does get up to the point of fighting Wlad he'll be able to tell me what the lights look like in Vegas.

I voted no way he can win,but let me explain my reasons,even if he does win,he's not going to look good doing it. Theres no way he can live up to the hype machine around him. So even if he wins,he loses

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Originally Posted by smashup

even a rahman could spark him if he catches him flush.

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I think Rahman could spark anyone flush, he does have power, he just doenst have the best speed or skills and his chin aint the greatest, neither is his defence:(

Any one at heavy will trouble Haye, he is banking on blitzing Wladamir like Sanders did but I think Sanders is quicker than Haye.

Holyfield dominated the cruisers, Haye never would have, he already lost to Thompson, hes done a good job of making beleivers over naive and gulable fans but in reality, hes a fighter that struggled in his own weight class and wants to try against even bigger and stronger men.

If he were with Warren he wouldnt be shouting about Wladamir, setting himself up for a big fall and early retiement.

If Frank were confident enough in him to face the heavys, hed carefully match him up to the make or break fight, Adam Booth is treating Haye like his little experiment, hes already had to put him back together after he pushed him too far against Thompson :rolleyes:;D

Well this is all I'll say about this...

He became unified Cruiser champ not a title holder.
A unified champ and the very 1st British to do so...

That IMO speaks volumes.

Now fighting at HW is whole nother story.

Who gives a fuck whether he lives up to the heavyweight hype or not.

It wasn't too long ago, on this site, a David Haye thread had about half a dozen posters involved.

He is an exciting fighter. Fact.

You will ALL be WATCHING when he fights. He has done his side job great. ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Who gives a fuck whether he lives up to the heavyweight hype or not.

It wasn't too long ago, on this site, a David Haye thread had about half a dozen posters involved.

He is an exciting fighter. Fact.

You will ALL be WATCHING when he fights. He has done his side job great. ;)

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Gotta agree;D

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Who gives a fuck whether he lives up to the heavyweight hype or not.

It wasn't too long ago, on this site, a David Haye thread had about half a dozen posters involved.

He is an exciting fighter. Fact.

You will ALL be WATCHING when he fights. He has done his side job great. ;)

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Gotta agree;D

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Yeah I agree with me too. ;D

And IF he gets knocked spark out (which is very likely at some point) all the knockers can say - "I toada so.. I fucking toada so!"

That's just the way she goes. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Who gives a fuck whether he lives up to the heavyweight hype or not.

It wasn't too long ago, on this site, a David Haye thread had about half a dozen posters involved.

He is an exciting fighter. Fact.

You will ALL be WATCHING when he fights. He has done his side job great. ;)

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Gotta agree;D

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Yeah I agree with me too. ;D

And IF he gets knocked spark out (which is very likely at some point) all the knockers can say - "I toada so.. I fucking toada so!"

That's just the way she goes. Fact.

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I should hope you agree with you.

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

Gotta agree;D

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Yeah I agree with me too. ;D

And IF he gets knocked spark out (which is very likely at some point) all the knockers can say - "I toada so.. I fucking toada so!"

That's just the way she goes. Fact.

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I should hope you agree with you.

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I agree both of them... ;D

agreed!

Agreed.

I also agree with Fenster.

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Agreed.

I also agree with Fenster.

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I also concure

I think he would get destroyed by Klitchko and I don't even rate Klitchko :-\

I just see him getting koed when he fights a true decent heavyweight (there must be one out there;D)

Isn't it getting too close to November 15th to be naming a top 10 opponent?

And, when we say top 10 - what is this WBC, ring's top 10, an other organization?

He just needs to fight a solid heavyweight...I don't care where they are rated as long as they are good.

Oleg Maskaev
Hasim Rahman
Kali Meehan
Jameel McCline
Sergei Liakhovich
Eddie Chambers
David Tua
Vladimir Virchis
Tony Thompson
Matt Skelton


Anyone will do I just want him to fucking fight already, I'm tired of everyone trying to sell him to me.

I don't know what to vote for because I don't think he will be the greatest British fighter of all time. But I think he COULD make it to the top of the division without any setbacks. For me the only man who may beat him is Wlad but I am intruiged by a possible matchup between the two and wouldn't write Haye off!

Considering how terrible the slob weight division is, he should do alright. Then again, maybe he will help stink up the division even more. ;D

I think he was hoping for Maskaev, although I thought it was Rahman but he said he was wanting a Wladamir clone and Oleg is quite close I spose and does have a high wbc ranking having only just lost it.

Maskaev was already down to fight a warm up opponent and Haye was probably hoping hed take a bit more cash but Maskaev knows he could get the guaranteed win (I dont rate Haye but Maskaev is washed up) and then a shot at a title with his name.

Why he was going to announce a fight that wasnt signed I dont know, hes made his set up look foolish, people like Waren will laugh at that.

Hopefully Haye will go all the way.....but im not sure if mentally he will be there....I think he already thinks he is champ before he has even fought anyone.....I have watched a few of his fights and yes is defence is rather leaky and he will eventually get found out....it will be fun to find out and he will give the division a bit of glamour and excitement whatever he does.

Also with the bulk of muscle he has added I think will obviously slow him down a tad and his chin will be questioned and when that happens we will witness a sensational knock out by most of the quality heavyweights who will soak up his relentless pressure and pop him with a peach of a uppercut.


Job Biscuit (Sorry Hayes but you are on borrowed time)!!!



eh eh!!!

;DI also agree...so we're all agreed then? Agreed

Does'nt really answer my initial question of how Lyle can possibly survive so long whilst living up Wlads bum;D
He's a big fella is Wlad so it must be fairly roomy........

Funny Smash.....call me crazy but I just think Wlad has experience amongst other things over David Haye who hasn't even had a heavyweight fight (to speak of) yet.

So Maskaev is a Wladimir clone??? Crazy

Yeah, in so much as hes straight up good jab and right hand and has a few knockout losses;D

Unlike David Haye who just schooled an ancient Carl Thompson ;)


Wlad WILL stomp a mudhole in David Haye's ass

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Funny Smash.....call me crazy but I just think Wlad has experience amongst other things over David Haye who hasn't even had a heavyweight fight (to speak of) yet.

So Maskaev is a Wladimir clone??? Crazy

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Must admit I was wondering how Maskaev was a Wlad clone!

Hate to repeat myself but

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Originally Posted by ross

Yeah, in so much as hes straight up good jab and right hand and has a few knockout losses;D

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What hype? Haye hasnt done anything at heavyweight yet. All talk and and talk and talk some more. Haye has done nothing to threaten anyone yet.

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Originally Posted by miles

What hype? Haye hasnt done anything at heavyweight yet. All talk and and talk and talk some more. Haye has done nothing to threaten anyone yet.

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I wonder whether he'll have the Afro or the cornrows come fight night? lol

He really needs to get in the ring now I must admit. I am a big Haye fan but I'm getting bored!

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Originally Posted by miles

What hype? Haye hasnt done anything at heavyweight yet. All talk and and talk and talk some more. Haye has done nothing to threaten anyone yet.

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Yeah and could you imagine Haye trying the same stunt on Tyson, calling him a coward in front of a crowd;D

Mike certainly wouldnt have given him the time to open his mouth again, its a shame Wladamir didnt show him up then and there, drop the nut on the gob shite;D Then carry on walking leaving David in a crumpled heap on his own;D

Yes ;D