Juan Manuel Marquez vs Joel Casamayor ICB's RBR

Ok guys no promises on this one but i'll try and do this one aswell although i maybe busy but anyway onto the fight i think Juan Manuel Marquez is the fresher of the two fighters and i think he will have too much for Joel Casamayor who is on his way out IMO............

And even though Joel Casamayor showed grit against Michael Katsidis lets be honest here would a prime Joel Casamayor have been dropped and lost that many rounds against Michael Katsidis ? i still think Joel Casamayor has enough in the tank to give Juan Manuel Marquez a competitive tough 12 rounder but i just don't think he has enough in the tank to win...........

I think Juan Manuel Marquez has been very impressive he maybe exchanging more but he still hasn't showed signs of slowing down and i think he will be the aggressor and he will pound out a close but clear cut UD i like Joel Casamayor but Juan Manuel Marquez is my favorite fighter at the moment so im going with my boy by 12 UD.

Hey, Thats the same albercromby and fitch pic SSSSS had up. I feel cheated......;D;D

I see Marquez taking this one also.The weight may be an issue and he will need to press.Is still complete enough to effect aggress without getting careless,make Casa work weathered legs and JMM staying busy.

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Hey, Thats the same albercromby and fitch pic SSSSS had up. I feel cheated......;D;D

I see Marquez taking this one also.The weight may be an issue and he will need to press.Is still complete enough to effect aggress without getting careless,make Casa work weathered legs and JMM staying busy.

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Marquez does need to be careful of Joel Casamayor's power i don't think Marquez has the best chin in the world and it could be more of a factor since he is moving up in weight and he will be facing bigger and stronger fighters but he does have great recovery powers but yes we will have to wait and see if the weight effects Marquez but if he is comfortable at the weight i think he takes a clear cut UD.

Im in two minds about this 1.

Originally I thought that Marquez' chin wouldnt be able to absorb Casas shots and he isnt skillful enough to compete wth the classier Cuban but now Im thinking if Casa struggled vs that bum that Diaz stopped then he may struggle here aswel .

At the moment I'll go with Casa on points after scoring afew knockdowns but we'll see if anything happens during fight week to change my mind.

cas is a good fighter and the match with katsidis was great cos it showed his heart, but i think marquez will box rings round him, the only thing i can see that might go against marquez is the extra weight but i dont think so.

jmm is a lil bit too much for joel after the de la hoya fight pacman is gonna have to fight jmm caues he will be number 1 in that division

Bump don't want to lose the thread.

Two of my favorite fighters. I feel Marquez has gone up one division to many. Casamayor by UD. A stoppage wouldn't surprise me

This is a fight in which I want both fighters to do well :eek:

All I can do is sit back and relax and enjoy the fire works. I know this is going to be a very good scrap. I can just feel it.

First off, give a mighty big credit to Marquez for taking this fight. Going up in weight and taking on one of the top men in the division is no mean feat. But IMO, that will precisely be his problem - I think the size issue will adversely affect him in the fight. To me Marquez is just a blown-up lightweight but actually still a natural featherweight. On the other hand, Joel is a legit lightweight, or even a super one by now.

Another problem for Marquez is Joel's style. Marquez does badly against fighters who box and if Joel decides to box, I think it'll give Marquez some problems - he is good at fighting fighters who comes at him. So Marquez will have to overcome these two major problems in order for him to win. Will he be able to do so? I don't think so, so I'll go for Casamayor winning this fight.

But I'll be fair to Marquez; if he wins this one convincingly, he will be my numero uno p4p guy. If pac wins against the Golden Fool (that won't happen, though) he'll get back his p4p title. But even if that fight is cancelled and pac fights and beats Soto instead, Marquez will still keep the title. On the other hand, if pac beats worthy opponents like Juan Diaz, Guzman, or Campbell, of course he'll get back the title. That's fair enough, huh, Ice? Hope the guys on the other side can be fair to my boy sometimes too...

Marquez will take take Casamayor in this. He was being outboxed by Katsidis in his last fight and looked old at times. Marquez meanwhile beat Pac and has shown that his skills are as good as always.

Marquez to put the old man away.

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Originally Posted by miles

Marquez will take take Casamayor in this. He was being outboxed by Katsidis in his last fight and looked old at times. Marquez meanwhile beat Pac and has shown that his skills are as good as always.

Marquez to put the old man away.

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Yeah Marquez is really a young prospect at 35 years old. He's old himself

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Originally Posted by miles

Marquez will take take Casamayor in this. He was being outboxed by Katsidis in his last fight and looked old at times. Marquez meanwhile beat Pac and has shown that his skills are as good as always.

Marquez to put the old man away.

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Yeah Marquez is really a young prospect at 35 years old. He's old himself

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True. But my take is that Marquez has still been boxing 3 minutes a round and looking very sharp in doing so. Casamayor looked sluggish against Katsidis and was clearly losing before getting the knock out.

If he is in any way sluggish or old against Marquez then he may suffer. Katsidis is technically weak, though moving up, Marquez is a far greater challenge.

Marquez fought Pacquiao to a draw and contraversial desicion. I feel Pacquiao is much faster and more powerful than Casamayor. Casamayor has lost a step or two the last few years. Katsidis is a decent fighter but no Marquez who is a counter-punching machine. Casamoyor is in trouble with this fight. I won't doubt Marquez will go down but he won't stay down and just outpunching Casamayor and making him look a fool at times. Marquez by UD

cry baby jmm by late tko!

Casamayor is mostly wrong for JMM...
- bigger
- southpaw
- too dirty ;)
- boxer/counterpuncher

Casa by UD...

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Marquez will take take Casamayor in this. He was being outboxed by Katsidis in his last fight and looked old at times. Marquez meanwhile beat Pac and has shown that his skills are as good as always.

Marquez to put the old man away.

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Yeah Marquez is really a young prospect at 35 years old. He's old himself

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True. But my take is that Marquez has still been boxing 3 minutes a round and looking very sharp in doing so. Casamayor looked sluggish against Katsidis and was clearly losing before getting the knock out.

If he is in any way sluggish or old against Marquez then he may suffer. Katsidis is technically weak, though moving up, Marquez is a far greater challenge.

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Marquez was good puncher at Featherweight. Good not great. Now he's at Lightweight. And for the first time in his career facing a fighter naturally bigger than him. Yes he's fought at 130 before. But that was against fighters who like him moved up in weight. And even than he was having trouble hurting them and taking there punches. Casamayor has been at 135 for 4 years. He's war with big punchers like Corrales, Castillo, Katsidis and Freitas. I seriously doubt Marquez can hurt him. But I know Casamayor can hurt him.

I have no idea who is going to win this (I've said that about a couple of fights in the last month). If Casa has declined as much as it appears he has, I think Marquez takes it. However, I think a prime-ish Casa takes the fight, probably stopping Marquez in the process (just too much skill and power). That's not a shot at Marquez, he's P4P better than Casa, but I think he is much better suited to 135 than JMM. I could be completely wrong though.

Like I said, I have no idea who's going to win. I'm leaning towards JMM. I'll certainly be cheering him on.

JMM by points for me. It could be UD or split decision. If JMM can take Pac's punches then he can take Casa's. JMM will be playing around Casa if Casa does not go dirty.:cool:

Next to pac, JMM is the man for me;)

looking forward to this one, I like both fighters but am going with Casa by ud, think he'll have JMM on the deck along the way as well.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Marquez was good puncher at Featherweight. Good not great. Now he's at Lightweight. And for the first time in his career facing a fighter naturally bigger than him. Yes he's fought at 130 before. But that was against fighters who like him moved up in weight. And even than he was having trouble hurting them and taking there punches. Casamayor has been at 135 for 4 years. He's war with big punchers like Corrales, Castillo, Katsidis and Freitas. I seriously doubt Marquez can hurt him. But I know Casamayor can hurt him.

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One of the most under-rated aspect of Marquez is his power. Believe me he has power. Overall, pac probably has more power in his punches than Marquez, except in one area: Marquez has more powerful straights than pac. They're hardly noticed because he usually never follows up on them; it's almost always a one-shot-at-a-time affair. I think his straights can still hurt anyone even at 135. But the problem for Marquez is, 'will he be able to catch Joel with them?' I'm not sure about that, so we'll see, but one thing I'm sure of is that if Joel catches Marquez with one of those that caught Kats, it'll be over for him - the legit 135lb power punches will be too much for featherweight Marquez...

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Two of my favorite fighters. I feel Marquez has gone up one division to many. Casamayor by UD. A stoppage wouldn't surprise me

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I was thinking along the same lines. I always wonder what Casa will show up, but he should be motivated for this one. They are both at the age and stages of their career where they can go downhill quickly. Since JMM is moving up, it is definitely going to be harder on him IMO and Casa will be very motivated.

I'll go with Casamayor tko against who I want to win.

I think Marquez takes a comfortable decision. Casamayor has less in the tank, he wont be getting off as quickly as he'll need to avoid being countered and outhustled is my take. It should be a great shoot out early to mid rounds but I think Marquez can keep up a much higher pace and stay sharp all 12 rounds. Casamayor will definetly be dangerous in this one though, he could hurt Marquez at any point. I don't see Marquez really hurting him with anything either, he'll need to fight very smart.

Not saying this will be dull but I wouldn't expect a fast paced fight. Marquez really doesn't like going after people, both counterpunchers, they're both a bit old, etc.

Marquez should have too much at this point.

Casamayor's stamina at this stage of his career is not that good anymore but he will not be likely at disadvantage on this factor since JMM is not a pressure fighter... Casa will have a lot of breathing room...

And if JMM will try to add some pressure, Casa will probably land a good counterpunch... It's an area where Casa is very good at...
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iight VD ima go with u on this one, so ima put my money on casa....i like him esp after last fight but the odds are

-400 marquez to +300 casa....O.O

that scared the scrap out of me.....

whether or not he loses the fight itself, he may get another favorable decision like he did with the uncrowned king...=)

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Casamayor's stamina at this stage of his career is not that good anymore but he will not be likely at disadvantage on this factor since JMM is not a pressure fighter... Casa will have a lot of breathing room...

And if JMM will try to add some pressure, Casa will probably land a good counterpunch... It's an area where Casa is very good at...
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you really seem to have something against JMM,

Marquez is also a very good counter puncher, however my only worry is with the potential increase in power from 130 to 135 marquez may get caught cold early on in the fight like against pacquiao first time round and a quick Kd or two could cost him the fight like it did in both pacquiao fights IMO, casamayor also did put katsidis down twice in the first when he was fresh at the start of the fight

although i think JMM will take a wide points victory, i feel he just needs to be careful in the first couple of rounds

JMM by UD.

casamayor wins

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Casamayor's stamina at this stage of his career is not that good anymore but he will not be likely at disadvantage on this factor since JMM is not a pressure fighter... Casa will have a lot of breathing room...

And if JMM will try to add some pressure, Casa will probably land a good counterpunch... It's an area where Casa is very good at...
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you really seem to have something against JMM,

Marquez is also a very good counter puncher, however my only worry is with the potential increase in power from 130 to 135 marquez may get caught cold early on in the fight like against pacquiao first time round and a quick Kd or two could cost him the fight like it did in both pacquiao fights IMO, casamayor also did put katsidis down twice in the first when he was fresh at the start of the fight

although i think JMM will take a wide points victory, i feel he just needs to be careful in the first couple of rounds

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Nothing against JMM... I was surprised we have exactly the same feeling that JMM might suffer early KDs that could cost him the fight... No doubt JMM will stand up after those KDs but having those KDs would mean an uphill battle from there on...
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Mario Lopez? Jesus Christ, we have A.C. Slater hosting this fight.

How long too the fight fellas ?

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Originally Posted by ICB

How long too the fight fellas ?

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You're in Egland, right? How can you do a rbr if the streams are rubbish?

:furious2: guess who is sitting on hold with the motherfarking POS cable company,,,,,,,,,I pity the tool that picks this line up :shinner: PPV will not connect!!!!






I'll do it for ya VD........:LOLATYOU:........;D

Diane should be worshipped........links are holding strong so far;D

Garcia is wishing Campas did not pull out of they're fight.....Danny Perez putting it on him. Bradley/ Cherry at intros now

Garcia doesn't want to be there

Cherry/Bradley shaping up nice tactically. Garcia really reverting to no-show mode as in prior to last fight, Non effort.

Typical. The Bradley strem is crystal clear and smooth but the Casamayor stream is blurry and a bit choppy. Anybody got a good JMM/Casamayor stream link please?