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Cotto/Margarito Co-Headline in 2009, Rematch in June - Boxing News
I dont know about you guys but I already have the date marked on my calendar.
Now we will hopefully get a chance to see if the stuff people were saying went wrong for Cotto is true or if Tony is just too much of a bad style matchup for Cotto to ever overcome. Props to both wanting to do it again.
Margarito stops him again.
I wonder how Cotto-Clottey would play out?
Well Antonio Margarito's body shots wore out Joshua Clottey last time i would expect the same against Miguel Cotto and maybe Joshua Clottey would knock him down on a counter shot but i still see Miguel Cotto winning a decision and outworking Joshua Clottey who hasn't got the best stamina.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Man, it is pretty tough to rearrange a game plan against someone who basically had a plan of..."Cover my body and walk forward relentlessly into head shots and throw until I wear you down." It isn't like he knew or suspected Cotto was feather-fisted or anything either. Margos chin is amazing, and I thought Cotto did about all he could. The body wasn't there...the head was...and he hit it, again, and again, and...well, we all know how that ended up.
I respect both fighters, and of course want to see this match up. I root for Cotto, so of course want him to win, but admit I am a lot more skeptical then I initially was. I still think Margo, fighting as he does, even though it produces results..might end up in a diaper with someone wiping the drool from his chin long before he hits old age. A brain can only take so many slams against the cranium before it begins to turn to mush.
The only thing i would like Miguel Cotto to do is try and go to the body but saying that its hard to throw body shots on the back foot as you have to really plant your feet to make the body shots effective and i think Miguel Cotto needs to watch tapes on how Floyd Mayweather successfully stayed off the ropes against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight.
I can't argue with that assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell Antonio Margarito's body shots wore out Joshua Clottey last time i would expect the same against Miguel Cotto and maybe Joshua Clottey would knock him down on a counter shot but i still see Miguel Cotto winning a decision and outworking Joshua Clottey who hasn't got the best stamina.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I can't see Cotto winning this unless he really does a runner and steals it. should still be entertaining, but I'd be dissapointed for Tony if all he'll get to do in the next 10 months is go over old ground Cotto/Clottey, not sure how long a guy with his style has left, and he has unfinished business with Williams.
Just can not see a different outcome.More tying up and inside standing ground would leave Cotto in even more of a danger range and just cannot see him boxing off the backfoot any better.I suspect he will dedicate vast majority of offense to Margaritos body but Tony tucks in well and will find Cottos head an even more available target.
Really like both fighters but first reaction is I do not want this rematch ???Margarito/Clottey 2 I wish.
IMO this is the only way for Cotto to regain his legacy to its former glory, if he can't beat the guys like Margarito then he doesn't deserve to be in the very top echelon. The greatest fighters always managed to figure out ways to over come bad matchups for them, especially against a fighter of Margarito's caliber, who isn't a bad fighter, but also isn't an ATG.
Basically IMO Vernon Forrest destroyed the invicibility of Mosley, and I am suspecting Margarito might do the same to Cotto.
I definitely think Cotto could win if things get changed, but it might be expecting too much from him. I think Cotto really needs to work on his movement, he needs to get elite sparring partners who will push him to the limit.
Hatton puts all kinds of pressure on his opponents so Floyd got both Baldomir and Ndou who would switch off, with Baldomir and Ndou only going 5 rounds at a time for a total of 20 rounds Mayweather was basically fighting a fresh world class opponent for 20 rounds. Cotto needs to do this.
I do want to see this fight because Cotto was very much in it before he got knocked out. With two rounds left... However I rather see Margarito-Williams
Gotta tell ya,I think Cotto can do very well in future.Margarito is indeed no ATG,he never pretended to be but stylistically and more so physically....he is too much for Cotto.I just don't see all the top sparring in the world translating to victory in rematch.One thing that stands out more and more to me is not the styles,the punch selections,the footwork......but the sheer Physicality of they're first fight.Cotto was effected in so many subtle and equally obvious ways where as Cotto.....try as he might with great pin point boxing could not stand his ground and/or have a noticeable effect on Tony in the least.The disparity in terms of physical taxing toll was huge. I think the 1st result will be duplicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I don't, I think if Cotto could win a rematch with Margarito, that opens up Cotto-Mayweather, Cotto-Williams, Cotto-De La HOya, Cotto-Pacquaio. I am not sure if Paul fights higher if he will be able to get back down, I think he is having a hard time right now, and if he puts on that extra muscle he may never get back down, but I can't see Margarito changing how that fight would go. I can't see him drawing Mayweather or De La Hoya into the ring because he isn't popular enough. I can't see myself wanting to watch Margarito for much longer. THere is nothing I find exciting about him. He doesn't have any flash to him, he just walks through everything and throws a million punches, but those punches are especially sharp. Larry Merchant would say something along the lines of there is no poetry in what Margarito does, only the cold brutality of war.
I disagree, I think that Margarito will probably win the second fight as well, but Cotto gave up. I've seen warriors like Holyfield come into the ring and go at it with much bigger opponents, more powerful opponents, but you have to know how to fight them. Margarito IMO never really hurt Cotto with any one punch it was more like what Cotto did to Judah, but even then Margarito wasn't laying COtto out like Cotto layed Judah out. I think Cotto let Margarito's size play a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsGotta tell ya,I think Cotto can do very well in future.Margarito is indeed no ATG,he never pretended to be but stylistically and more so physically....he is too much for Cotto.I just don't see all the top sparring in the world translating to victory in rematch.One thing that stands out more and more to me is not the styles,the punch selections,the footwork......but the sheer Physicality of they're first fight.Cotto was effected in so many subtle and equally obvious ways where as Cotto.....try as he might with great pin point boxing could not stand his ground and/or have a noticeable effect on Tony in the least.The disparity in terms of physical taxing toll was huge. I think the 1st result will be duplicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Here is a small list of things that drastically change the fight
1. Cotto needs to tie Margarito up more. You saw Holyfield do it effectively against Tyson, you saw Hopkins do it plenty of times, you saw Mayweather use it against Hatton. After Cotto dodges a few punches off the ropes he needs come forward off the ropes and tie Margarito up.
2. Cotto staying focused defensively while he on the ropes, as the fight progressed even before he was getting worn down, Cotto was fighting sloppily off the ropes.
3. Cotto needs to not give up space so freely, You can't just give up space for free, its too tiring. There were quite a few times I saw Margarito backing off when Cotto threw combinations, or at least stopped coming forward. Cotto needed to realize he could have expended less energy by actually throwing more punches in the middle of the ring.
4. Cotto can't back straight up, Cotto was backing straight backwards onto the ropes when Margarito's footspeed is so slow Cotto should have been able to get around him laterally.
5. When Cotto would get off the ropes which he did very well for the first half of the fight, did a lot of you notice he wasn't always going back into the middle of the ring? When you get off the ropes its important to make the opponent force you back onto the ropes again.
I personally don't think footwork is that big of an issue I think the biggest things were that Cotto didn't tie Margarito up enough that is key against Tony, and he gave up space too freely which he did against Mosley as well late in that fight.
I honestly think Cotto got to cocky in there, He was outboxing Margarito so emphatically that he underestimated Tony. I don't think he thought Tony could walk through those punches like he did, and I don't think Cotto had a plan B besides countering effectively.
Tony= machine.
Cotto= not.
The difference.
Wow,thats alot,well thought out there but the bottom line is should Cotto stand in /Tie up and put himself at range even more so......The damage will accumulate faster Imo.He could not,did not deter Margarito in the least although his head shots were great. Margarito.....while not an accurate explosive one punch bomber.....was having a very noticeable effect on Cotto as early as the second round,he cut the ring off and was busting the body hard.This one comes down to imposing physicality all over again for me.Sometimes the reason fighter A will/did not do something is because fighter B did not allow it!And vice versa.
Cotto did not "Give up" on his own volition,he fought his set off.....Margarito had quite abit to do with that decision making process.
It may be old ground but there really arn't any bigger fights out there for him. Floyd and Oscar won't want him, Williams, well that would be more old ground, as would Santos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
In fact going over old ground is exactly what Margo should do imo.
I can't think of any better fights for him than Cotto, Clottey, Williams and Santos rematches!
They would all be intriguing fights and money makers for him.
After all Isreal Vazquez and Rafael Marquez spent the past year fighting only each other, and probably earned more money and made more headlines during that time than the rest of their careers combined.
A Cotto rematch would be immense, as would Williams and Santos. And a unification fight with Clottey would be a big fight too.
Let him cover all the old ground he wants I say, there are no better fights out there for him.
If Cotto learned from his mistakes in the first fight and was able to make the right adjustments in the rematch, eg. Clinching on the inside, don't lean on the ropes, etc...... he could win a tough decision.
If not Margarito stops him again.
i can see cotto winning the rematch i believe he will be a way better boxer after all he did win most rounds he just got wore down he needs to build up his energy and not brawl too much i think he will get the ud
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Originally Posted by kingfrnk
he was behind on the cards when he got stopped so he didnt most of the rounds at all , he had won 4 of the previous 10 i think, im a big cotto fan but those are just the facts.
i cant see all tht much he can do differnelty in a rematch and no way should it be so soon
I dont think Cotto will ever fight Margarito again.
If he does he wiull get ko`d quicker.
I agree, but rather he chase the guys he lost to first, especially Williams at welter. If he beat Williams he'd be undisputed champ at welter, hoping it'd be enough to get Floy out of the woodwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboIt may be old ground but there really arn't any bigger fights out there for him. Floyd and Oscar won't want him, Williams, well that would be more old ground, as would Santos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
In fact going over old ground is exactly what Margo should do imo.
I can't think of any better fights for him than Cotto, Clottey, Williams and Santos rematches!
They would all be intriguing fights and money makers for him.
After all Isreal Vazquez and Rafael Marquez spent the past year fighting only each other, and probably earned more money and made more headlines during that time than the rest of their careers combined.
A Cotto rematch would be immense, as would Williams and Santos. And a unification fight with Clottey would be a big fight too.
Let him cover all the old ground he wants I say, there are no better fights out there for him.
Cotto fought a very good fight the first time. And still lost. I can't see him fighting any better. I think he'll always lose to Margarito
If Cotto fight's the same way he did in the last outing he will lose even worse.IMO he has to stay on Margarito's chest and riproar to the body on the inside. Margarito is tall and lanky so how do you fight those guy's simple by staying close. Margarito does have a good left uppercut to neutralize Cotto being in close but he dosen't seem to have as good an uppercut on the otherside. So to me if Cotto could switch a few times to southpaw like he has in the past it could help him out. Do I think Cotto will change no I see the same outcome. Margarito by TKO again.
I think cotto can win a rematch, the shot that did the most damage to him was the left uppercut as he leaned in with his head sticking out. It all went downhill from there, if he can stay away from that and apply some pressure on margarito I think the fight will be much closer and be viewed in a much more favourable light by the judges in the scoring.
I sometimes wonder the same Taeth. At the first few rounds Cotto was throwing nice combinations and maybe thought he would go down soon just like any other opponent that receives Cotto's clean punches. Big surprise when Tony started landing early in the fight like that body punch at round 2 that made him sit on the ropes.Quote:
I honestly think Cotto got to cocky in there, He was outboxing Margarito so emphatically that he underestimated Tony. I don't think he thought Tony could walk through those punches like he did, and I don't think Cotto had a plan B besides countering effectively.
I guess Cotto will probably come to the rematch with a not-so-exciting style and just hit and run pretty much like someone who pokes and taunts a lion in a cage.
Spot on! I always said Miguel needed to work the body more. Margarito did have his hands down protecting that area but Miguel could've still found openings here and there. Miguel could watch those Mayweather tapes but will he be able to pull it off? That's the real question.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't think Margarito is a better fighter than Cotto, I just think when you match the two up, Margarito has the upper hand. Similar to Pacquiao vs Barrera or Mosley vs Forrest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotten Apple
You think if Cotto was in the middle of the ring he would accumulate more punches than if he was on the ropes? what kind of logic is that? When your opponent is on the ropes you can plant your feet, you get more leverage on your punches, you don't need as ,uch footwork or anything. Also when Cotto was on the ropes Margarito can dictate the range. Cotto wouldn't accululate damage faster because there is the concept called smothering. If Cotto gets too close, Margarito will not be able to land as many punches, nor will he be able to get that many offQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Because of COtto defensive style on the ropes Margarito is able to throw 4-5 punches in a row. If you watch Mayweather against Hatton especially who was an even more pressuring fighter you will see that the way to get around this is to slip a punch and get inside and clinch your opponent.
People will say that this isn't COtto's style, but a great fighter isn't subject to one way of fighting. I just watched the fight and I admit Cotto will not be able to punch and run for 12 rounds against Margarito, he isn't quick enough, and he will tire himself out, He basically ran for 11 rounds last time.
For Cotto to win this he needs to use more lateral movement in the middle of the ring, he needs to clinch after the first or second punch Margarito throws when Margarito has him on the ropes, and he needs to make Margarito move laterally a lot more, in doing so he will take steem off Margarito's punches, He will take away Margarito's ability to plant his feet(like Hopkins did to Trinidad), and he will make things easier for himself.
Personally I think Margarito doesn't like fighting truly on the inside, people say he outmuscled Cotto, but I don't see it, Duran muscled opponents around, Hatton muscled Tszyu around, they used their strenght to literally push their opponent around, Margarito uses his stamina and indestructibility to come forward and break the will of his opponents through a barrage of punches. I've noticed Margarito can throw short punches, but he loves the distane just outside of in-fighting. ON the inside he is a little too long to be effective, and on the outside he is too slow and untechnical to beat opponents, Cotto needs to learn from Hopkins and Mayweather how to take away that middle range, their greatness has been based on that, now Cotto if he wants that same greatness needs to do the same. I have no doubt if they are in close Cotto's body build will make him the stronger guy, a much lower center of gravity and shorter arms are more important the closer opponents get, and so Cotto needs to mix up by beating Margarito to the punch on the inside, and countering him effectively on the outside.
Also Cotto needs to use a lot more headmovement, and lateral movement when he is on the ropes, he just would sit on the ropes and cover up, and thats how you get pounded, if he was moving while on the ropes all same rules apply as when they are in the middle of the ring and he is using lateral movement, it takes away a lot of Margarito's effectiveness, especially if Cotto moves to his right.
Same Results, Maybe a round or two earlier this go around.
Pretty basic logic actually.It is obvious....Cotto can not maintain an inside perimitor and mount an effective offense if he is concentrating so much on clinching.He can tempo this with sharp circling to a degree Imo but all in all I see Martgarito as just to strong one way or the other.Find me a line where I said Cotto should stand on the ropes against Margarito....?? I can find you many where I stated prior that said it would be his down fall though!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethYou think if Cotto was in the middle of the ring he would accumulate more punches than if he was on the ropes? what kind of logic is that? When your opponent is on the ropes you can plant your feet, you get more leverage on your punches, you don't need as ,uch footwork or anything. Also when Cotto was on the ropes Margarito can dictate the range. Cotto wouldn't accululate damage faster because there is the concept called smothering. If Cotto gets too close, Margarito will not be able to land as many punches, nor will he be able to get that many offQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Because of COtto defensive style on the ropes Margarito is able to throw 4-5 punches in a row. If you watch Mayweather against Hatton especially who was an even more pressuring fighter you will see that the way to get around this is to slip a punch and get inside and clinch your opponent.
People will say that this isn't COtto's style, but a great fighter isn't subject to one way of fighting. I just watched the fight and I admit Cotto will not be able to punch and run for 12 rounds against Margarito, he isn't quick enough, and he will tire himself out, He basically ran for 11 rounds last time.
For Cotto to win this he needs to use more lateral movement in the middle of the ring, he needs to clinch after the first or second punch Margarito throws when Margarito has him on the ropes, and he needs to make Margarito move laterally a lot more, in doing so he will take steem off Margarito's punches, He will take away Margarito's ability to plant his feet(like Hopkins did to Trinidad), and he will make things easier for himself.
Personally I think Margarito doesn't like fighting truly on the inside, people say he outmuscled Cotto, but I don't see it, Duran muscled opponents around, Hatton muscled Tszyu around, they used their strenght to literally push their opponent around, Margarito uses his stamina and indestructibility to come forward and break the will of his opponents through a barrage of punches. I've noticed Margarito can throw short punches, but he loves the distane just outside of in-fighting. ON the inside he is a little too long to be effective, and on the outside he is too slow and untechnical to beat opponents, Cotto needs to learn from Hopkins and Mayweather how to take away that middle range, their greatness has been based on that, now Cotto if he wants that same greatness needs to do the same. I have no doubt if they are in close Cotto's body build will make him the stronger guy, a much lower center of gravity and shorter arms are more important the closer opponents get, and so Cotto needs to mix up by beating Margarito to the punch on the inside, and countering him effectively on the outside.
Cotto only chance of winning this I believe will be a doubled up severe body attack and tight boxing.It is very apparent that hitting Tony in the head is akin to throwing rocks at a tank.Do not under estimate Margaritos inside bodywork as well,ecspecially the short left upper-hook.Plain and simple......I do not believe Cotto can/will stand on the inside with Margarito and maintain the middle of the ring...Tony is too strong...and when He boxes out,Coto will be pushed to the ropes.
I have nothing but respect for Cotto and am of mind that he will rebound in the future to attain status once again,But he is No Hopkins.Hopkins transformed over career from an in your face offensive machine to a tatical sharpshooter and some would argue an inside grappler not ashamed to make it ugly,its apples and oranges here.Cotto is far from this complete tranformation at this point in career and I dont see anything off the last fight that leads me to believe he can pull it off suddenly in rematch........Frankly,I think an immediate rematch with Margarito is a mistake.He needs to rebuild,retool and go graduale Imo......his pride is apparent.
Let's be honest. Cotto fought a brilliant first half of the fight. He was winning the match. Margarito kept doing his thing and in the end this endless pressure beat Cotto. Cotto probably has to go technical to win. Get in, get his punches and use the ring to move out of the pressure.
Does he have the stamina to do this, that is the quesion.
Margarito was the man :flame:
Copy & paste your potst bro!!!! copy & PAste :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Youngblood
People need to stop saying Cotto fought the perfect fight because he didn't.
He made simple mistakes that Margarito took advantage of and it got him the win.
Cotto throughout the fight lay on the ropes for Margarito just to throw his uppercuts.
He NEVER clinched on the inside.
He didn't pace himself at all.
He abandoned his signature body work.
If Cotto could make these sort of adjustments he could win a tough decision.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsPretty basic logic actually.It is obvious....Cotto can not maintain an inside perimitor and mount an effective offense if he is concentrating so much on clinching.He can tempo this with sharp circling to a degree Imo but all in all I see Martgarito as just to strong one way or the other.Find me a line where I said Cotto should stand on the ropes against Margarito....?? I can find you many where I stated prior that said it would be his down fall though!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethYou think if Cotto was in the middle of the ring he would accumulate more punches than if he was on the ropes? what kind of logic is that? When your opponent is on the ropes you can plant your feet, you get more leverage on your punches, you don't need as ,uch footwork or anything. Also when Cotto was on the ropes Margarito can dictate the range. Cotto wouldn't accululate damage faster because there is the concept called smothering. If Cotto gets too close, Margarito will not be able to land as many punches, nor will he be able to get that many offQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Because of COtto defensive style on the ropes Margarito is able to throw 4-5 punches in a row. If you watch Mayweather against Hatton especially who was an even more pressuring fighter you will see that the way to get around this is to slip a punch and get inside and clinch your opponent.
People will say that this isn't COtto's style, but a great fighter isn't subject to one way of fighting. I just watched the fight and I admit Cotto will not be able to punch and run for 12 rounds against Margarito, he isn't quick enough, and he will tire himself out, He basically ran for 11 rounds last time.
For Cotto to win this he needs to use more lateral movement in the middle of the ring, he needs to clinch after the first or second punch Margarito throws when Margarito has him on the ropes, and he needs to make Margarito move laterally a lot more, in doing so he will take steem off Margarito's punches, He will take away Margarito's ability to plant his feet(like Hopkins did to Trinidad), and he will make things easier for himself.
Personally I think Margarito doesn't like fighting truly on the inside, people say he outmuscled Cotto, but I don't see it, Duran muscled opponents around, Hatton muscled Tszyu around, they used their strenght to literally push their opponent around, Margarito uses his stamina and indestructibility to come forward and break the will of his opponents through a barrage of punches. I've noticed Margarito can throw short punches, but he loves the distane just outside of in-fighting. ON the inside he is a little too long to be effective, and on the outside he is too slow and untechnical to beat opponents, Cotto needs to learn from Hopkins and Mayweather how to take away that middle range, their greatness has been based on that, now Cotto if he wants that same greatness needs to do the same. I have no doubt if they are in close Cotto's body build will make him the stronger guy, a much lower center of gravity and shorter arms are more important the closer opponents get, and so Cotto needs to mix up by beating Margarito to the punch on the inside, and countering him effectively on the outside.
Cotto only chance of winning this I believe will be a doubled up severe body attack and tight boxing.It is very apparent that hitting Tony in the head is akin to throwing rocks at a tank.Do not under estimate Margaritos inside bodywork as well,ecspecially the short left upper-hook.Plain and simple......I do not believe Cotto can/will stand on the inside with Margarito and maintain the middle of the ring...Tony is too strong...and when He boxes out,Coto will be pushed to the ropes.
I have nothing but respect for Cotto and am of mind that he will rebound in the future to attain status once again,But he is No Hopkins.Hopkins transformed over career from an in your face offensive machine to a tatical sharpshooter and some would argue an inside grappler not ashamed to make it ugly,its apples and oranges here.Cotto is far from this complete tranformation at this point in career and I dont see anything off the last fight that leads me to believe he can pull it off suddenly in rematch........Frankly,I think an immediate rematch with Margarito is a mistake.He needs to rebuild,retool and go graduale Imo......his pride is apparent.
Magarito likes it close to a degree, I am talking about right inside. Margarito has shown great durability, but once again there were a few times Cotto literally spun Margarito around onto the ropes because Cotto such a strong base and he is strong himself, but after he would turn Margarito around he would just back off.
Margarito did a horrible job of cutting off the ring, he was chasing Cotto as opposed to really cutting it off, its just Cotto was making it easy to pressure him, because he was moving straight backwards, and wouldn't everytime Margarito would start punching Cotto would go into a shell on the ropes.
What I am saying is that Cotto doesn't need to make the full transformation Hopkins did(which isn't entirely true if you see his fights against Echols where he first truly transformed to that style) Hopkins wasn't a pure boxer yet, but he payed attention to the footwork, and realized how important it is. You say Cotto can't maintain an effective offense while focusing on clinching, I say watch Duran-Leonard 1, watch Hatton against Tszyu, but mainly watch Holyfield against Tyson 1, Holyfield let Tyson come in, he would clinch Tyson once they were on the inside then he would let off the quick short punches. This is how he beat the stronger, more powerful, faster Mike Tyson.
Cotto doesn't even need to really have an effective offense if he is negating Margarito's offense by clinching. I am not saying he should tread stupidly forward into oncoming shots to clinch on Margarito which it seems you think I am saying, i am saying after he dodges a few punches which he was able to do the first time, he shouldn't always counter and move away, its too tiring.
Hatton was praising Mayweather's ability to find spots to rest, and thats because Mayweather would was able to tie Hatton up. But not just by clinching he also made sure they maintained close proximity which smothered Hatton's punches, and Hatton a lot shorter and quick punches then MArgarito.
As for what I said about Cotto being on the ropes, if Cotto doesn't stand his ground the obvious outcome is him on the ropes, hence why I brought up the ropes. If Cotto doesn't move laterally, and he doesn't stand his ground, he will move straight backwards like he did in the first fight for the most part. If you move laterally you don't run out of room as quickly, you can set up your opponent, and it makes it a lot harder for them to actually get their punches off effectively.
As for MArgarito being too strong, where did he show that? Where did he, without punches, move Cotto around the ring? He showed he could take Cotto's punches and come forward, but once again he didn't enforce his strength on Cotto.
As for why won't going to the body work for Cotto? Its simple. YOu can't be willing to give your chin for a bodyshot. How Cotto fought he was on the ropes, and it was impossible for him to go the body because Margarito was perpetually throwing punches. Cotto can't put the combinations together off the ropes like he needs to in order to set up that left hook to the body, unless he can get Margarito to stop coming forward he won't be able to go to the body effectively.
The other reason is that Margarito had his elbows down the whole fight, nothing was going to land cleanly on his body.
will be an awesome fight cant wait to watch it :cool:
I'm sure that date, and the fight itself isn't exactly set in stone. lol.
Lets see Cotto vs. Cintron first!
IS easy to be more durable because he doen't duck, dodge or move to avoid punches (is very tiring). he just moves forward takes it all with freak ching and waste all his energy in punches. If any of you had ever boxed before you will understand my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsPretty basic logic actually.It is obvious....Cotto can not maintain an inside perimitor and mount an effective offense if he is concentrating so much on clinching.He can tempo this with sharp circling to a degree Imo but all in all I see Martgarito as just to strong one way or the other.Find me a line where I said Cotto should stand on the ropes against Margarito....?? I can find you many where I stated prior that said it would be his down fall though!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Cotto only chance of winning this I believe will be a doubled up severe body attack and tight boxing.It is very apparent that hitting Tony in the head is akin to throwing rocks at a tank.Do not under estimate Margaritos inside bodywork as well,ecspecially the short left upper-hook.Plain and simple......I do not believe Cotto can/will stand on the inside with Margarito and maintain the middle of the ring...Tony is too strong...and when He boxes out,Coto will be pushed to the ropes.
I have nothing but respect for Cotto and am of mind that he will rebound in the future to attain status once again,But he is No Hopkins.Hopkins transformed over career from an in your face offensive machine to a tatical sharpshooter and some would argue an inside grappler not ashamed to make it ugly,its apples and oranges here.Cotto is far from this complete tranformation at this point in career and I dont see anything off the last fight that leads me to believe he can pull it off suddenly in rematch........Frankly,I think an immediate rematch with Margarito is a mistake.He needs to rebuild,retool and go graduale Imo......his pride is apparent.
Magarito likes it close to a degree, I am talking about right inside. Margarito has shown great durability...... .
If Mayweather fought Margarito he would do what Cotto did for the first few rounds all the way through the fight and wouldn't get drawn into any kind of battle. I would expect it to be something similar to the Baldomir fight (I know Marg is far better than Baldomir) where Floyd just bored us to death but displayed tremendous boxing skill.
This is what I'd expect Cotto to plan for if this rematch does go ahead but my question is, can Cotto resist going into battle for the full 12 rounds? And even if he can will Margs relentless charge forward eventually catch up to Cotto again?
I know last time out Cotto got his nose broke early which IMO undoubtebly caused him to fade in the later rounds due to his struggle with breath. The thing is Cotto got caught with that shot early on when he wasn't tired and was still boxing quite beautifully so I wouldn't be surprised if Margarito managed it again.
Something in the back of my mind though is pointing towards Cotto this time around and then that would set up a potentially great trilogy! (maybe wishful thinking)
I question whether you have ever boxed before because. Using upper body movement isn't that tiring, not compared to punching or movement. Dodging punches can be tiring, but Margarito has great durablity because he can take punishment, not becuase he doesn't use upper body movement, I mean by the logic you are conveying if Wladimir Klitschko or Amir Khan didn't move their heads their durability would go up.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuyaIS easy to be more durable because he doens't duck, dodge or mode to avoid punches (is very tiring). he just moves forward takes it all with freak ching and waste all his energy in punches. If any of you had ever boxed before you will understand my post.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Magarito likes it close to a degree, I am talking about right inside. Margarito has shown great durability...... .
cotto has to come up with a 100% proof gameplan that will gurantee him victory i say get a different trainer maybe floyd mayweather sr or freddie roach hell i dont care just as long it aint evangilista cotto FOR REAL:-X