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Ok, When Floyd stops runnin long enough and agrees to fight Margarito he will understand what it means to be a real fighter. He is an extremely gifted athlete and skillful boxer, he will have to run the whole fight.
If floyd wins it will be on points only he is not going to beat up the tijuana tornado.
Floyd Mayweather will make Antonio Margarito look average and he will clearly outbox Margarito over 12 rounds im a fan of both fighters though im more of a fan of Floyd Mayweather but im being realistic here Floyd Mayweather moves too well and he can stay off the ropes like he did against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight so he would be taking away one of Antonio Margarito's strengths which is working on a opponent against the ropes........Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamz350
Plus Antonio Margarito's punches are too wide plus he isn't quick enough in any attribute so i can't see Antonio Margarito winning this at all i see a potshot fest by Floyd Mayweather over 12 rounds clearly winning a UD.
If he wants the kind of lecacy he thinks he deserves he should fight Margarito,Williams and Cotto. Great fightrers dominate their division or at least fight the best opposition available. He ain't done that since he was a lightweight but he seems to think thats enough. It's a shame.
It's a shame he never fought Tszyu too. Instead choosing to move up to fight a past it Gatti, Mitchell, an already broken Judah, Baldomir....:p
Then all these tough Welters turn up and he fights an old De La Hoya and a Light Welter who is also past his best and already proven to be hugely disadvantaged at WW.
Just my view
The only thing i'll say is that Kostya Tszyu would of got a fight with Floyd Mayweather but he lost to Ricky Hatton so Hatton got his shot which is fair right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
And as for ODLH i give Mayweather alot of credit for the win ODLH had 1 stone advantage and plus if you look back at posts in 2006 and early 2007 people said he needed to fight ODLH to seal his legacy and he did indeed win at a weightclass he never fought at before then all of a sudden its ODLH is past it etc honestly i don't think Mayweather gets enough credit for quite alot of his wins im not saying he doesn't needed to fight Cotto/Margarito but i'll stand by with my comment i made.
Tszyu was the man of the division at that time and I think that is the fight that should have been made as soon as he moved to 140, afterall, what did Floyd prove at 140? That he could beat beaten fighters too?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThe only thing i'll say is that Kostya Tszyu would of got a fight with Floyd Mayweather but he lost to Ricky Hatton so Hatton got his shot which is fair right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
And as for ODLH i give Mayweather alot of credit for the win ODLH had 1 stone advantage and plus if you look back at posts in 2006 and early 2007 people said he needed to fight ODLH to seal his legacy and he did indeed win at a weightclass he never fought at before then all of a sudden its ODLH is past it etc honestly i don't think Mayweather gets enough credit for quite alot of his wins im not saying he doesn't needed to fight Cotto/Margarito but i'll stand by with my comment i made.
Also, if Oscar was 5 years younger I tell you right now, Floyd would have gone nowhere near him, just like the Welters of today.
I agree with Kel on that.Has Mayweather come out of "Retirement" to grace us with his presence ?At this point I give Margarito a live chance at beating Floyd till I see Mayweather cut the theatrics and decide if it means enough to him to get back into the mix with championship caliber guys.Hypotheticals are a dime a dozen ;D
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Originally Posted by dreamz350
Mayfeather doesnt have the cajonnes to ever get in the ring with Tony Margarito
Think Cotto vs Margarito first few rounds when cotto made Margarito look like a bum by boxing rings around him. Remember Cotto likes to brawl and the little boxing he did Margo had no answer. Now put Mayweather in there with his remarkable speed, and he will not get caught like Cotto did. While i agree he will never in a million years hurt Margarito he would dance to a UD.
*edit* Not to take away anything from Margarito who is a great fighter and aside from Williams is the best welter right now.
Interesting fight.. many have to remember mayweather has a eazy time with the taller fighters. also we are matching a true-welter in margarito against a much smaller guy in mayweather. until mays tastes defeat he is the man.. this is a dangerous fight for both.. i wood be shocked if it took place...
Mayweather is just too elusive, quick and accurate for Margarito.
Mayweather UD.
Before Cotto fought Margarito everyone said Cotto was the only one who could truly test PBF now its Margarito
Cotto showed how to beat Margarito for the first few rounds and then ran out of gas, PBF can do that all night and would make Tony look average this is a perfect fight for Mayweater and I hope he takes it .
PBF by massive UD
margarito and mayweather plz tony will look like an ass all night people think tony will kick his ass knock him out but in reality floyd takes this hands down nobody has never landed anything flush on floyd that i can recall and i doubt slow ass margo is. everybody acusses him of ducking cotto and tony but y would u fight them for 8million instead of fighting oscar for 20million+
This is such a tired thread. No wonder someone new started it.
Second that......Maybe some day king midas Mayweather will see fit to get back in the ring,then we can put the speculation to rest ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
I mean don't these guy's know that this could be bigger than the Fabulous Four of the 80's. Leonard = Mayweather , Hagler = Margarito , Cotto = Hearns , De La Hoya = Duran. These guy's have got to stop this running around shit and just fight each other. These four fighter's alone could pull in to the 100 million dollar zone in each one of their fight's. It's kind of gettign aggravating.
Why people continue to say mayweather is scared a punk cant fight etc.....then give a 10 min speech about how thier favorite fighter would beat him amazes me. If floyd is or was such a horrible champion why can't people make thier fighter look good without using his name. Give it a rest already, the man is retired as of right now leave it at that. When he was here everyone wanted him gone...now he is and still, nevermind just plain silly is all.
Exactly! It has been clear he, just like any of us, is looking for the bigger payday and neither Cotto nor Margarito would offer him what he was looking for $$$$. People moaned and cried for him to be gone and now people want him back. Same with ODLH.Quote:
Why people continue to say mayweather is scared a punk cant fight etc.....then give a 10 min speech about how thier favorite fighter would beat him amazes me. If floyd is or was such a horrible champion why can't people make thier fighter look good without using his name. Give it a rest already, the man is retired as of right now leave it at that. When he was here everyone wanted him gone...now he is and still, nevermind just plain silly is all.
It has been said over and over *sigh*.Quote:
margarito and mayweather plz tony will look like an ass all night people think tony will kick his ass knock him out but in reality floyd takes this hands down nobody has never landed anything flush on floyd that i can recall and i doubt slow ass margo is. everybody acusses him of ducking cotto and tony but y would u fight them for 8million instead of fighting oscar for 20million+
Mayweather completely afraid of Cotto? Oh please. Let Cotto get up from the humiliating lost he just got and then we'll talk. Let's see how he deals with another champion in his prime.
Depends what you consider beat up. Floyd will be landing flush shots all night, while Margarito won't be able to land anything. Margarito will be flustered by Floyd's movement, and everytime he gets Floyd on the ropes, Mayweather will either just evade all his punches or tie him up like Cotto should have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamz350
That would be great! You know what else would be great? If guys could blast each other out of the ring like in Ring King, but alas, that ain't happenin'. Let Mayweather be retired. If he comes back (which I think he will) then let's lambast him if we have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
I agree, I can't believe people are still complaining about PBF ducking WHILE HE'S RETIRED. Just let him be.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceThat would be great! You know what else would be great? If guys could blast each other out of the ring like in Ring King, but alas, that ain't happenin'. Let Mayweather be retired. If he comes back (which I think he will) then let's lambast him if we have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
No he won't stop him, or I very much doubt it but I don't see him losing anymore than 2 rounds to Marg either! He really is that good IMO. And I don't even like the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamz350
I like the way people use Castillo as justification to dismiss Margaritos chances. After all didn't Jose push him close twice? Didn't Judah and ODLH push him close?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFloyd Mayweather will make Antonio Margarito look average and he will clearly outbox Margarito over 12 rounds im a fan of both fighters though im more of a fan of Floyd Mayweather but im being realistic here Floyd Mayweather moves too well and he can stay off the ropes like he did against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight so he would be taking away one of Antonio Margarito's strengths which is working on a opponent against the ropes........Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamz350
Plus Antonio Margarito's punches are too wide plus he isn't quick enough in any attribute so i can't see Antonio Margarito winning this at all i see a potshot fest by Floyd Mayweather over 12 rounds clearly winning a UD.
When was the last time PBF stayed centre ring entire fight?
I hear the word accuracy a lot as a deterant for Tony, How accurate can Floyd be? every single punch Cotto threw landed on the point of Margaritos chin, with more power than Floyd has ever thrown a punch.
Yes Marg is slow, but he doesn't stop coming. Baldomir couldn't crack an egg and he has half Tony's output, Hatton is a so called pressure fighter who throw's 40 punches a round??? there is no comparison.
Marg throws wide punches? 90% of the punches he threw against Cotto had minimum back swing/follow through, and came through the centre, they weren't the wild swings that N'dou threw in that gif where Mayweather avoids them, and half this board masturbates over. The commentators thought Cotto was winning the fight early cause they thought Tonys short punches, which hit arms/shoulders/ribs, were ineffective, NOT because Cotto was making him look like a bum.
Believe it or not I have PBF favourite if this fight comes off, I'm just being one sided in my arguments because the majority of you are being ridicilously one sided in yours.
If I were a trainer I'd be recommending PBFs style before any other, but guess what an apparently unbeatable style doesn't always equate to being a complete legend of your time. You have to prove it in the ring. Tyson looked unbeatable for four years, what if he retired before Douglas? would we give him the benefit of the doubt on beating every heavyweight that came after? unfortunately we probably would.
PBF has a very very good resume, but he has not faced the main challengers that were available to him at the time he was active to be considered amongst the Armstrongs/Robinsons of this world. Corrales was a good unbeaten name, give him that, Castillo is ONLY famous BECAUSE of his performances against PBF, He did not fight Tszyu when he stepped to 140, he fought Mitchell and Gatti, funny how he managed to fit those guys in for prob less than a million. I actually rate ODLH as a great win since it was a new weight and Oscar looked good in the previous fight and in Floyd's fight. Hatton, well he never showed anything at Welter.
Anyway, rant over.
Well let us look at Floyde Mayweathers career and see what it looks like. Ok let us look at the top wins that he has i going to name the top ones at least the ones i think were the best. You have Casstilo, Carralos and past his prime Oscar but also a bigger guy as well which comes into play. Now out of those names only one is hall of famer and a atg and that is Oscar. Now the undefeated record helps as well along with divsions he has won belts in help him as well. Problem is that he did not clear or fight the best in the 140 and also the 147 divsions he seem to skip that and the only really rembered name is Oscar when were looking back at his career 20 years from now. I do not think Floyde Mayweather while be rated as high as some may think he is when history looks back on him. I think he is somewhere in the top 25 or the top 35 but thats just me. He is still young and in prime still think he can make his career even better then it is now but it is up to him what he will do.
Ya see....Thats how I feel as well in regards to why some are creaming them selves with "what ifs" and stating in absolute certainy that its pretty much a sure thing win for Mayweather.....While he's retired :-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI agree, I can't believe people are still complaining about PBF ducking WHILE HE'S RETIRED. Just let him be.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceThat would be great! You know what else would be great? If guys could blast each other out of the ring like in Ring King, but alas, that ain't happenin'. Let Mayweather be retired. If he comes back (which I think he will) then let's lambast him if we have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Tony will not have to aim for and connect on Floyds head to effect him down the stretch.He would do better to aim for just about everything else Imo.
Margarito tends to throw wider punches when he can't catch his opponent, He was able to keep COtto on the ropes thats why he was throwing tighter punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI like the way people use Castillo as justification to dismiss Margaritos chances. After all didn't Jose push him close twice? Didn't Judah and ODLH push him close?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFloyd Mayweather will make Antonio Margarito look average and he will clearly outbox Margarito over 12 rounds im a fan of both fighters though im more of a fan of Floyd Mayweather but im being realistic here Floyd Mayweather moves too well and he can stay off the ropes like he did against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight so he would be taking away one of Antonio Margarito's strengths which is working on a opponent against the ropes........Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamz350
Plus Antonio Margarito's punches are too wide plus he isn't quick enough in any attribute so i can't see Antonio Margarito winning this at all i see a potshot fest by Floyd Mayweather over 12 rounds clearly winning a UD.
When was the last time PBF stayed centre ring entire fight?
I hear the word accuracy a lot as a deterant for Tony, How accurate can Floyd be? every single punch Cotto threw landed on the point of Margaritos chin, with more power than Floyd has ever thrown a punch.
Yes Marg is slow, but he doesn't stop coming. Baldomir couldn't crack an egg and he has half Tony's output, Hatton is a so called pressure fighter who throw's 40 punches a round??? there is no comparison.
Marg throws wide punches? 90% of the punches he threw against Cotto had minimum back swing/follow through, and came through the centre, they weren't the wild swings that N'dou threw in that gif where Mayweather avoids them, and half this board masturbates over. The commentators thought Cotto was winning the fight early cause they thought Tonys short punches, which hit arms/shoulders/ribs, were ineffective, NOT because Cotto was making him look like a bum.
Believe it or not I have PBF favourite if this fight comes off, I'm just being one sided in my arguments because the majority of you are being ridicilously one sided in yours.
If I were a trainer I'd be recommending PBFs style before any other, but guess what an apparently unbeatable style doesn't always equate to being a complete legend of your time. You have to prove it in the ring. Tyson looked unbeatable for four years, what if he retired before Douglas? would we give him the benefit of the doubt on beating every heavyweight that came after? unfortunately we probably would.
PBF has a very very good resume, but he has not faced the main challengers that were available to him at the time he was active to be considered amongst the Armstrongs/Robinsons of this world. Corrales was a good unbeaten name, give him that, Castillo is ONLY famous BECAUSE of his performances against PBF, He did not fight Tszyu when he stepped to 140, he fought Mitchell and Gatti, funny how he managed to fit those guys in for prob less than a million. I actually rate ODLH as a great win since it was a new weight and Oscar looked good in the previous fight and in Floyd's fight. Hatton, well he never showed anything at Welter.
Anyway, rant over.
Also about the accuracy, Cotto did land alot, and he hits harder then Mayweather, but Judah hit harder then MAyweather, and he landed them on Baldomir, but Baldomir was more effected by MAyweather's punches then by Judah's because 1. MAyweather drives through with his punches so it doesn't matter if it hurts you or not, it will stop you in your tracks, but also 2. Floyd isn't there to be hit. Why did Duran take way more shots in the fight against Leonard then in the second fight, yet he quit in the second fight? Because Leonard was frustrating Duran in the second fight because he wasn't there to be hit. Margarito was the same way against Williams, until Williams got tired, but Floyd doesn't get tired, because he is always in terrific shape, and he knows how to take "Breaks" in the mist of fighting.
Also Hatton throws short punches, Gatti throws technically correct punches, Corrales throws good tight punches, N'dou had a lot more speed then Margarito, even Judah was only able to land one left hand at a time, when Judah threw combinations against Mayweather they almost always missed. OScar is another example of a tall guy who has handspeed to burn, and sharper punches then Margarito, and he still landed nothing. Same with Hatton. All these guys have tighter punches then Margarito, all of them are more accurate, yet none of them could land with Mayweather especially, when Floyd was on the ropes.
Tall Paul is the only one of the so called WW who could beat Floyd. Paul is the best WW in the division and nobody even seems to say his name. Floyd wont even think about it. Margo, enough said about him, he is trying to make as much money before he even thinks about Paul. This is a Travesty, Sham, and a Mockery of the sport. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Paul, they ICED U OUT. SORRY. Lets not fight the best must be the diet for todays fighters. Talk about other fighters ducking while U duck fighters. Floyd and Margo are LOSERS. Paul is the man
Margaritos strength is his strength, he is naturally bigger than most welters and just wears them down, when he fought at light middle he was beaten by Santos.
Cotto is a small welter and had on ly really fought other ex light welters, he does take a shot and Antonio got to him late.
Margarito does nothing special and Mayweather fought a bigger De La Hoya and managed fine, although I do think Margarito would give a better fight, it would be close but I dont see Mayweather not being able to cope with Margarito.
I dont liek Mayweather, he has picked and chosen "names" and has had his name passed down like a hand me down from fighters like Gatti and Judah and all the otehrs who were basicly just journey men but he does have enough to handle Margarito and again make it a boring unwatchable fight.
Margarito De La Hoya would be more of a spectacle
I f Margarito beat Williams in a rematch then that would make a Mayweather match interesting but even then I still see him being out foxed by Floyd, unless Floyd has that much time outa the ring that he gets a bit rusty.
mayweather probably never come out of retirement because theres not a fight that will give him what he wants and thats money so fighting tony is out he will get more money for fighting cotto anyway who knows maybe if berto is still doing what hes doing now he can give floyd a run for his money
Mayweather had all the dollar signs he could hope for with that Farce rematch vs. Delahoya on deck.....Imo, not a much in demand meeting to some fans but the main stream would have pumped that for all its worth into an productive event.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Berto has a lot to grow on but has not faced one legitimate top 10 fighter and is way to green/untested to cope with Mayweather in near future as well as now.
mayweather will come back when the time ($$$) is right. he only "retired" to help boost the $$$ by limiting supply.
First off Floyd Mayweather Jr had a bad shoulder injury in the first fight with Jose Luis Castillo. And wasn't 100 percent, in the 2nd fight when he was 100 percent he easily avoided Jose Luis Castillo with good movement and not getting trapped on the ropes and i thought he clearly won by 3 rounds so i wouldn't say it was close..........Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI like the way people use Castillo as justification to dismiss Margaritos chances. After all didn't Jose push him close twice? Didn't Judah and ODLH push him close?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFloyd Mayweather will make Antonio Margarito look average and he will clearly outbox Margarito over 12 rounds im a fan of both fighters though im more of a fan of Floyd Mayweather but im being realistic here Floyd Mayweather moves too well and he can stay off the ropes like he did against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight so he would be taking away one of Antonio Margarito's strengths which is working on a opponent against the ropes........Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamz350
Plus Antonio Margarito's punches are too wide plus he isn't quick enough in any attribute so i can't see Antonio Margarito winning this at all i see a potshot fest by Floyd Mayweather over 12 rounds clearly winning a UD.
When was the last time PBF stayed centre ring entire fight?
I hear the word accuracy a lot as a deterant for Tony, How accurate can Floyd be? every single punch Cotto threw landed on the point of Margaritos chin, with more power than Floyd has ever thrown a punch.
Yes Marg is slow, but he doesn't stop coming. Baldomir couldn't crack an egg and he has half Tony's output, Hatton is a so called pressure fighter who throw's 40 punches a round??? there is no comparison.
Marg throws wide punches? 90% of the punches he threw against Cotto had minimum back swing/follow through, and came through the centre, they weren't the wild swings that N'dou threw in that gif where Mayweather avoids them, and half this board masturbates over. The commentators thought Cotto was winning the fight early cause they thought Tonys short punches, which hit arms/shoulders/ribs, were ineffective, NOT because Cotto was making him look like a bum.
Believe it or not I have PBF favourite if this fight comes off, I'm just being one sided in my arguments because the majority of you are being ridicilously one sided in yours.
If I were a trainer I'd be recommending PBFs style before any other, but guess what an apparently unbeatable style doesn't always equate to being a complete legend of your time. You have to prove it in the ring. Tyson looked unbeatable for four years, what if he retired before Douglas? would we give him the benefit of the doubt on beating every heavyweight that came after? unfortunately we probably would.
PBF has a very very good resume, but he has not faced the main challengers that were available to him at the time he was active to be considered amongst the Armstrongs/Robinsons of this world. Corrales was a good unbeaten name, give him that, Castillo is ONLY famous BECAUSE of his performances against PBF, He did not fight Tszyu when he stepped to 140, he fought Mitchell and Gatti, funny how he managed to fit those guys in for prob less than a million. I actually rate ODLH as a great win since it was a new weight and Oscar looked good in the previous fight and in Floyd's fight. Hatton, well he never showed anything at Welter.
Anyway, rant over.
As for Zab Judah ? how did he push Floyd Mayweather close ? he won 3 out of the first 4 rounds. And that was it he never won any other rounds, and Floyd Mayweather figured him out after the 4th round and busted him badly and he landed almost 3 times as many power punches...........
ODLH vs Floyd Mayweather wasn't close either i had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds comfortably. But i don't see what Judah or ODLH has to do with Margarito vs Mayweather the fact is ODLH and Judah are much faster and throw there punches with much better technique, where as Antonio is slow handspeed wise and throws his punches wide and even his footwork is pretty slow aswell........
And how can you say Ricky Hatton isn't good pressure fighter ? he is one of the best pressure fighters of the modern era IMO, and do you know why his output was low against Floyd Mayweather ? because Floyd Mayweather clinched Hatton and slowed the fight down. Hatton has very quick feet and good handspeed yet he landed at a very low percentage.............
As for Mike Tyson looking unbeatable ? well he didn't to me he wern't that far away from losing to James Tillis and Tony Tucker outboxed him until he broke his right hand.
Oh COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOme on, you weren't alive when Tyson was mowing through his opposition. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFirst off Floyd Mayweather Jr had a bad shoulder injury in the first fight with Jose Luis Castillo. And wasn't 100 percent, in the 2nd fight when he was 100 percent he easily avoided Jose Luis Castillo with good movement and not getting trapped on the ropes and i thought he clearly won by 3 rounds so i wouldn't say it was close..........Quote:
Originally Posted by BompI like the way people use Castillo as justification to dismiss Margaritos chances. After all didn't Jose push him close twice? Didn't Judah and ODLH push him close?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
When was the last time PBF stayed centre ring entire fight?
I hear the word accuracy a lot as a deterant for Tony, How accurate can Floyd be? every single punch Cotto threw landed on the point of Margaritos chin, with more power than Floyd has ever thrown a punch.
Yes Marg is slow, but he doesn't stop coming. Baldomir couldn't crack an egg and he has half Tony's output, Hatton is a so called pressure fighter who throw's 40 punches a round??? there is no comparison.
Marg throws wide punches? 90% of the punches he threw against Cotto had minimum back swing/follow through, and came through the centre, they weren't the wild swings that N'dou threw in that gif where Mayweather avoids them, and half this board masturbates over. The commentators thought Cotto was winning the fight early cause they thought Tonys short punches, which hit arms/shoulders/ribs, were ineffective, NOT because Cotto was making him look like a bum.
Believe it or not I have PBF favourite if this fight comes off, I'm just being one sided in my arguments because the majority of you are being ridicilously one sided in yours.
If I were a trainer I'd be recommending PBFs style before any other, but guess what an apparently unbeatable style doesn't always equate to being a complete legend of your time. You have to prove it in the ring. Tyson looked unbeatable for four years, what if he retired before Douglas? would we give him the benefit of the doubt on beating every heavyweight that came after? unfortunately we probably would.
PBF has a very very good resume, but he has not faced the main challengers that were available to him at the time he was active to be considered amongst the Armstrongs/Robinsons of this world. Corrales was a good unbeaten name, give him that, Castillo is ONLY famous BECAUSE of his performances against PBF, He did not fight Tszyu when he stepped to 140, he fought Mitchell and Gatti, funny how he managed to fit those guys in for prob less than a million. I actually rate ODLH as a great win since it was a new weight and Oscar looked good in the previous fight and in Floyd's fight. Hatton, well he never showed anything at Welter.
Anyway, rant over.
As for Zab Judah ? how did he push Floyd Mayweather close ? he won 3 out of the first 4 rounds. And that was it he never won any other rounds, and Floyd Mayweather figured him out after the 4th round and busted him badly and he landed almost 3 times as many power punches...........
ODLH vs Floyd Mayweather wasn't close either i had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds comfortably. But i don't see what Judah or ODLH has to do with Margarito vs Mayweather the fact is ODLH and Judah are much faster and throw there punches with much better technique, where as Antonio is slow handspeed wise and throws his punches wide and even his footwork is pretty slow aswell........
And how can you say Ricky Hatton isn't good pressure fighter ? he is one of the best pressure fighters of the modern era IMO, and do you know why his output was low against Floyd Mayweather ? because Floyd Mayweather clinched Hatton and slowed the fight down. Hatton has very quick feet and good handspeed yet he landed at a very low percentage.............
As for Mike Tyson looking unbeatable ? well he didn't to me he wern't that far away from losing to James Tillis and Tony Tucker outboxed him until he broke his right hand.
It's a hypothetical comparison, people in this era think Floyd's unbeatable, just as
people belived Tyson was unbeatable. You missed the entire point of my post, which just cos a guy seems unbeatable due to his ability, it doesnt mean he shouldn't prove it in the ring against all logical opposition.
Would you rather have a situation where every single boxer has, let say, 20 fights, then the title is decided by a panel of fans between two guys that have never faced each other, on the merits of their bouts against random opposition?
I'm not doubting PBF's talent for a second, he is brilliant, but no one is unbeatable, I was just listing the guys that had some success (DLH,Castillo...) against him, certainly as much success as Tillis and Tucker had against Mike.
He does have a good legacy, but it won't be considered legendary in 20 years time. I'm not saying he has an obligation to come back, just stating what he needs to do to be considered among the genuine greats which he seems to believe he has already achieved.
As for Hatton, I'm not talking about the PBF fight alone, the compubox numbers from all his fights between Tzyu and Floyd state as FACT that the average number of punches he throws per round is well BELOW the LWW average, which is not expected for a pressure fighter. Marg averages twice as much, so just as you say the DLH fight isn't indicative of how a Marg-Floyd fight would pan out, neither does the Hatton fight.
I will state it again, IMO Floyd is favourite against Marg, but sure as hell won't be an easy night, Floyd certainly doesn't belive it'd be easy otherwise it would have happened a long time ago.
I know hindsight is a wonderful thing, but im just being honest Mike Tyson looked very beatable in a few fights which is not the case with Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather has only really looked beatable in one fight and his opposition has been pretty good unlike Mike Tyson who was in a very weak era for the Heavyweights............Quote:
Originally Posted by BompOh COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOme on, you weren't alive when Tyson was mowing through his opposition. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFirst off Floyd Mayweather Jr had a bad shoulder injury in the first fight with Jose Luis Castillo. And wasn't 100 percent, in the 2nd fight when he was 100 percent he easily avoided Jose Luis Castillo with good movement and not getting trapped on the ropes and i thought he clearly won by 3 rounds so i wouldn't say it was close..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
As for Zab Judah ? how did he push Floyd Mayweather close ? he won 3 out of the first 4 rounds. And that was it he never won any other rounds, and Floyd Mayweather figured him out after the 4th round and busted him badly and he landed almost 3 times as many power punches...........
ODLH vs Floyd Mayweather wasn't close either i had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds comfortably. But i don't see what Judah or ODLH has to do with Margarito vs Mayweather the fact is ODLH and Judah are much faster and throw there punches with much better technique, where as Antonio is slow handspeed wise and throws his punches wide and even his footwork is pretty slow aswell........
And how can you say Ricky Hatton isn't good pressure fighter ? he is one of the best pressure fighters of the modern era IMO, and do you know why his output was low against Floyd Mayweather ? because Floyd Mayweather clinched Hatton and slowed the fight down. Hatton has very quick feet and good handspeed yet he landed at a very low percentage.............
As for Mike Tyson looking unbeatable ? well he didn't to me he wern't that far away from losing to James Tillis and Tony Tucker outboxed him until he broke his right hand.
It's a hypothetical comparison, people in this era think Floyd's unbeatable, just as
people belived Tyson was unbeatable. You missed the entire point of my post, which just cos a guy seems unbeatable due to his ability, it doesnt mean he shouldn't prove it in the ring against all logical opposition.
Would you rather have a situation where every single boxer has, let say, 20 fights, then the title is decided by a panel of fans between two guys that have never faced each other, on the merits of their bouts against random opposition?
I'm not doubting PBF's talent for a second, he is brilliant, but no one is unbeatable, I was just listing the guys that had some success (DLH,Castillo...) against him, certainly as much success as Tillis and Tucker had against Mike.
He does have a good legacy, but it won't be considered legendary in 20 years time. I'm not saying he has an obligation to come back, just stating what he needs to do to be considered among the genuine greats which he seems to believe he has already achieved.
As for Hatton, I'm not talking about the PBF fight alone, the compubox numbers from all his fights between Tzyu and Floyd state as FACT that the average number of punches he throws per round is well BELOW the LWW average, which is not expected for a pressure fighter. Marg averages twice as much, so just as you say the DLH fight isn't indicative of how a Marg-Floyd fight would pan out, neither does the Hatton fight.
I will state it again, IMO Floyd is favourite against Marg, but sure as hell won't be an easy night, Floyd certainly doesn't belive it'd be easy otherwise it would have happened a long time ago.
I don't think ODLH had that much success, considering he had 1 stone advantage. And the added advantage of not Floyd Mayweather not ever fighting at that weightclass i think ODLH only won 4 rounds at max...........
As for Ricky Hatton well didn't he and Luis Collazo, get a record for the most number of punches thrown in Welterweight fight or something ? Ricky Hatton has been clinching more thats why his punchstats have gone down. But he still pressures you for 3 minutes of the round..........
Throwing alot of punches against Floyd Mayweather doesn't work. Jesus Chavez tried that and got picked off and countered all night. he like Antonio Margarito, threw 100+ punches a round yet Floyd Mayweather didn't tire at all infact he got stronger in the later rounds. I don't think Antonio Margarito is a varied boxer meaning if he can't break down an opponent, its not like he can switch up is it ? and Floyd Mayweather will work out Antonio Margarito in a matter of only a few rounds and outbox him over 12 rounds.
damn people are still posting on this look it goes like this ten rounds for floyd and the first 2 for tony. tony cant ko floyd just cause hes a pressur fighter floyd has fought lots of them and always came out on top so just end it every SMART boxing fan knows the outcome tony just cant beat PBF never:-X