Wow this match up makes my mouth water surely this has to be the next fight for both men ?
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Wow this match up makes my mouth water surely this has to be the next fight for both men ?
There are dozens of matchups in the lightweight division.
I don't expect Campbell to be champion for long though. I think Manny and Marquez have shown how weak the lightweight division actually was by coming up and knocking out reigning champs in Casa and David Diaz.
I reckon Guzman would have done Campbell as well meaning the featherweights would have conquered all the lightweights.
Only Juan Diaz has any real talent out of the lightweight bunch but he can't punch and would get beat by both Manny and Marquez imo, although they would be awesome fights.
I think tonight has shown just how world class Manny and Juan Manuel were and that the lightweights, although well hyped wern't actually that good. Casa was a great fighter but he's done now. He got beat easily by Santa Cruz, was in dire straits against Katsidis who isn't even world class imo and now got KO'd by a 35 year old featherweight.
The future of the lightweight division isn't Campbell. It's Manny, Anthony Peterson and in another year Yuriorkis Gamboa. Guzman if he fights again at the weight will get in the mix as well.
I've got a feeling Campbell will lose his belt in his next defense.
IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez
I would still have Casa at #5. Getting beaten by Marquez is no shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Good Points. I never really looked at the lightweight division that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
However, i do see Campbell beating Guzman :)
Marquez vs Nate is teh fight that needs to happen to determine who the best lightweight is . If Pac disputes it then he should fight the winner.
Let's clear something up David Diaz was a title holder and not the lightweight champ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Marquez is now the lightweight champ and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
IMO, you take ANY possible chance you get to praise Pac and deminish JMM. It sucks cause for the better part your an OK poster and respectful it just so happens that your fully blinded by your fanboyism.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
As for the fight, I think JMM would beat Nate very similar to the way JMM beat Juarez.
Nates best game is rough housing and getting his opponent to fight his type of fight. If it's one thing JMM does is march to the beat of his drum.
I think JMM would outbox Nate for 12 rounds with Nate getting the better part of the early fight.
I think JMM would beat Campbell, but I don't think it would be lopsided as the Juarez fight. Nate is little trickier and he hits harder...oh, and he's much bigger. I would expect a decisive, but close, win for Marquez.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Yeah would be great. Even better if they could somehow get it on the ODLH Pac card and then have Pac facing the winner next year!
Surely Casa still deserves to be in the top 10! He got beat fair enough but he got beat off one of the greatest fighters in the world today, there is no shame there!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Not to mention he was the champ of the div.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSurely Casa still deserves to be in the top 10! He got beat fair enough but he got beat off one of the greatest fighters in the world today, there is no shame there!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
How the hell is Prescott top 10? ???
I think Breidis Prescott deserves to be top 10 considering Amir Khan was about 8th in the Lightweight rankings according to Ring Magazine if i remember rightly and the way in which Breidis Prescott won also warrants a top 10 place i think Michael Katsidis should be out of the top 10 because of his back to back losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickNot to mention he was the champ of the div.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuSurely Casa still deserves to be in the top 10! He got beat fair enough but he got beat off one of the greatest fighters in the world today, there is no shame there!Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
How the hell is Prescott top 10? ???
For what it's worth the Ring has Breidas Prescott in their rankings too at number 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think Breidis Prescott deserves to be top 10 considering Amir Khan was about 8th in the Lightweight rankings according to Ring Magazine if i remember rightly and the way in which Breidis Prescott won also warrants a top 10 place i think Michael Katsidis should be out of the top 10 because of his back to back losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickNot to mention he was the champ of the div.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
How the hell is Prescott top 10? ???
I got JMM over Nate, I got JMM over anyone besides Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Yea thats exactly where i have him i have no problem with him being at 9 or 10 and i think Michael Katsidis has been getting overrated ranking wise just because he fought bravely against Juan Diaz, Joel Casamayor, doesn't mean he should be rated higher because a loss is a loss unless were talking about something like Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 but it wasn't like that and to be honest Michael Katsidis's best win is against a guy who Amir Khan blew away in 1 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFor what it's worth the Ring has Breidas Prescott in their rankings too at number 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think Breidis Prescott deserves to be top 10 considering Amir Khan was about 8th in the Lightweight rankings according to Ring Magazine if i remember rightly and the way in which Breidis Prescott won also warrants a top 10 place i think Michael Katsidis should be out of the top 10 because of his back to back losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
hopefully this happen by the end of the year but im picking JMM hes on fire right now there the two best lightweights and pacman is facing ODLH so if pacman fights any of them it wont be until march or april
I agree Kats didn't really get any further than Khan did. The only name on his record is Graham Earl. Aside from that he fought complete nobodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYea thats exactly where i have him i have no problem with him being at 9 or 10 and i think Michael Katsidis has been getting overrated ranking wise just because he fought bravely against Juan Diaz, Joel Casamayor, doesn't mean he should be rated higher because a loss is a loss unless were talking about something like Marquez vs Pacquiao 2 but it wasn't like that and to be honest Michael Katsidis's best win is against a guy who Amir Khan blew away in 1 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFor what it's worth the Ring has Breidas Prescott in their rankings too at number 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
As soon as he stepped up to world class he got knocked out by Casa and then dominated by Juan Diaz.
He has a better chin than Khan for sure, but in every other way he's inferior, even his power is grossly overratted.
This fight would be great.
For me it would decide who is the number 1 lightweight.
We need this fight. Until Campbell is beat I still see him as the champ and Marquez has gotta take the titles from him. Guzman missed his opportunity and Casa is out of the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Maybe if Pac challenged the winner we would have the answers in boxings most competative division .
Agreed, Campbell/JMM ASAP, then Pac can challenge the winner when he finished his game of 'fantasy boxing'. Juan Diaz can fight Casa to keep busy, bugger Guzman.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEWe need this fight. Until Campbell is beat I still see him as the champ and Marquez has gotta take the titles from him. Guzman missed his opportunity and Casa is out of the picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Maybe if Pac challenged the winner we would have the answers in boxings most competative division .
i dunno why nobody noticed it but i dont think valero should be on this list let alone #5. he has faced nobody worthy of mentioning except loco mosquera. otherwise he has face mostly japanese pansies who cant fight. put valero in with any of these guys and he'll be counting his lumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer