Anyone apart from me rooting for Tarver to KTFO Dawson?

I know he's one of the most hated men in the sport but I have to confess he's secretly growing on me.

With Toney no longer fighting very often I'd say Tarver is the premier trash talker in boxing and he does make me laugh.

I've got a sneaky feeling he's going to completely and utterly expose Chad Dawson, outwitting and befuddling him, dropping him and eventually forcing the referee to step in and save him in the final couple rounds.

I'm hoping he does a number on him, Dawson didn't impress me at all against Johnson and I think is ready to get taken to school.

Go Tarver!!

Include me Master Bilbo... ;)

F#ck no I'm not rooting for Tarder!! I hope he gets KTFO in a bad way.

Tarver couldn't possibly leave the sport soon enough for me.

I can't get into trash talk when it comes from a guy with as goofy a voice as Tarver's. He actually can come up with some decent stuff but the voice kills it, he needs to keep a pen and paper around so when he's interviewed he can just right something down and then show it to the camera.

As for the fight I'm kind of conflicted, I could see him getting to Dawson but could easily see him looking very old and slow too.

a double Knockout ending both careers would be a Dark Lord Result ;D

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I know he's one of the most hated men in the sport but I have to confess he's secretly growing on me.

With Toney no longer fighting very often I'd say Tarver is the premier trash talker in boxing and he does make me laugh.

I've got a sneaky feeling he's going to completely and utterly expose Chad Dawson, outwitting and befuddling him, dropping him and eventually forcing the referee to step in and save him in the final couple rounds.

I'm hoping he does a number on him, Dawson didn't impress me at all against Johnson and I think is ready to get taken to school.

Go Tarver!!

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Did you catch they're head to head interview last night ? Dawson just flat out dismissed him with out blinking.Confidence is one thing but taking things/fighters for granted may just get your arse KTFO ?? He also looked.....gaunt,real thin in face.

But yes Lol.....I would dearly like to see Dawson KO him & put an end to Tarver and his own biggest fandom.....Tarver.Should be a good one.

I couldnt care less...a decent matchup, but Im not bothered either way.

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I can't get into trash talk when it comes from a guy with as goofy a voice as Tarver's. He actually can come up with some decent stuff but the voice kills it, he needs to keep a pen and paper around so when he's interviewed he can just right something down and then show it to the camera.

As for the fight I'm kind of conflicted, I could see him getting to Dawson but could easily see him looking very old and slow too.

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See it's his goofy voice and milk dud head that makes me warm to him.

When in his ehated argument with Clinton Woods he stood up, slammed the table and said 'Look how pretty I am!! Look at this face, do I look like a fighter to you?!' he had me in hysterics.

I think everything he says is tongue in cheek and he likes to laugh at himself. He's undeniably a funny guy and I thought Dawson looked uncomfortable and nervous yesterday, although that may be as much to do with having a camera pointed at you than through facing Tarver.

Nonetheless Tarver is one of the few showmen in the sport today, he always hypes his fights well and creates drama no matter what he does.

I've got a feeling he's going to ice Chad Dawson.

I'm one of the few Tarver fans out there, but I'm also a Dawson fan. I can't root for Dawson to get stopped, but I've already said it, I think Tarver is a nightmare matchup for Dawson. Dawson has leaky defense and he is chinny. Tarver is an excellent counterpuncher with power. Dawson's greatest asset his handspeed, but he isn't faster than Roy Jones. Tarver is 2-1 against Roy Jones with the loss being a close one. Yes, that was a younger Tarver, but Tarver still has power and he still has counterpunching skill. Now that he's older, he fights in spots more, but that's all it may take against a chinny fighter. If feather-fisted Eric Harding can put Dawson on his ass, what the heck is going to happen if Tarver catches Dawson flush.

I would like to see a close UD for Dawson where Tarver looks good and goes out honorably to a young lion, but I have a bad feeling "Bad Chad" is going to get himself sparked.

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I'm one of the few Tarver fans out there, but I'm also a Dawson fan. I can't root for Dawson to get stopped, but I've already said it, I think Tarver is a nightmare matchup for Dawson. Dawson has leaky defense and he is chinny. Tarver is an excellent counterpuncher with power. Dawson's greatest asset his handspeed, but he isn't faster than Roy Jones. Tarver is 2-1 against Roy Jones with the loss being a close one. Yes, that was a younger Tarver, but Tarver still has power and he still has counterpunching skill. Now that he's older, he fights in spots more, but that's all it may take against a chinny fighter. If feather-fisted Eric Harding can put Dawson on his ass, what the heck is going to happen if Tarver catches Dawson flush.

I would like to see a close UD for Dawson where Tarver looks good and goes out honorably to a young lion, but I have a bad feeling "Bad Chad" is going to get himself sparked.

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I really want Tarver to win as I feel he simply gets no respect. If you put a post on here and said 'does Tarver deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?' for example most people would laugh and say 'no way, he's a bum' etc overlooking the fact that he has 2 wins (should have been 3) over the great Roy Jones, plus wins over every other major lightweight in his era, Johnson, Woods, Harding, Griffin, etc.

His awful showing against Hopkins can be atributed to weight loss imo, Tarver looked awful in that fight.

But aside from that he's competitive with any fighter in the division, even at almost 40 years of age.

A win over Dawson would seal his resume as truly one of the best light heavies of the past 20 years and probably see him get into the hall of fame.

I know most people on here will likely vomit at the thought, but for me the guy deserves it, or at least would do with a win over Dawson. Right now he's not quite done enough imo, a win over Chad and he gets in.

Hell no bro....i absolutly can't stand "my style is so complex it's hard for the judges to score" tarver, i only hate layla ali more. My b-day is on the 11th and i told everyone if dawson ko's tarver they can take thier presents back cause i won't need anything else. I'm still pissed at roy for letting this cack beat him.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I know he's one of the most hated men in the sport but I have to confess he's secretly growing on me.

With Toney no longer fighting very often I'd say Tarver is the premier trash talker in boxing and he does make me laugh.

I've got a sneaky feeling he's going to completely and utterly expose Chad Dawson, outwitting and befuddling him, dropping him and eventually forcing the referee to step in and save him in the final couple rounds.

I'm hoping he does a number on him, Dawson didn't impress me at all against Johnson and I think is ready to get taken to school.

Go Tarver!!

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Bilbo I'm starting to think you and I are water & oil.
Like the film "Unbreakable" where one is fragile and the other is firm.

I've noticed that you and I completely root for opposite fighters more often then not.

I'm a huge BCD fan and been a long time since BCDs early fights. I think BCD is gonna outbox Tarver from begining to end.

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I'm one of the few Tarver fans out there, but I'm also a Dawson fan. I can't root for Dawson to get stopped, but I've already said it, I think Tarver is a nightmare matchup for Dawson. Dawson has leaky defense and he is chinny. Tarver is an excellent counterpuncher with power. Dawson's greatest asset his handspeed, but he isn't faster than Roy Jones. Tarver is 2-1 against Roy Jones with the loss being a close one. Yes, that was a younger Tarver, but Tarver still has power and he still has counterpunching skill. Now that he's older, he fights in spots more, but that's all it may take against a chinny fighter. If feather-fisted Eric Harding can put Dawson on his ass, what the heck is going to happen if Tarver catches Dawson flush.

I would like to see a close UD for Dawson where Tarver looks good and goes out honorably to a young lion, but I have a bad feeling "Bad Chad" is going to get himself sparked.

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I really want Tarver to win as I feel he simply gets no respect. If you put a post on here and said 'does Tarver deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?' for example most people would laugh and say 'no way, he's a bum' etc overlooking the fact that he has 2 wins (should have been 3) over the great Roy Jones, plus wins over every other major lightweight in his era, Johnson, Woods, Harding, Griffin, etc.

His awful showing against Hopkins can be atributed to weight loss imo, Tarver looked awful in that fight.

But aside from that he's competitive with any fighter in the division, even at almost 40 years of age.

A win over Dawson would seal his resume as truly one of the best light heavies of the past 20 years and probably see him get into the hall of fame.

I know most people on here will likely vomit at the thought, but for me the guy deserves it, or at least would do with a win over Dawson. Right now he's not quite done enough imo, a win over Chad and he gets in.

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Yeah, I see that. I also think in the Hopkins fight it was an terrible matchup for him, especially coming off the weight loss. Hopkins came in the master gameplan and his best punch is the punch you need to beat Tarver. Tarver played right into all of Hopkins strengths. Take away the weight issue, I still think Hopkins wins, just like I believe Tarver would have given a younger Roy Jones problems.

If he beats Dawson, I hope people give him the credit he deserves.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I know he's one of the most hated men in the sport but I have to confess he's secretly growing on me.

With Toney no longer fighting very often I'd say Tarver is the premier trash talker in boxing and he does make me laugh.

I've got a sneaky feeling he's going to completely and utterly expose Chad Dawson, outwitting and befuddling him, dropping him and eventually forcing the referee to step in and save him in the final couple rounds.

I'm hoping he does a number on him, Dawson didn't impress me at all against Johnson and I think is ready to get taken to school.

Go Tarver!!

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Bilbo I'm starting to think you and I are water & oil.
Like the film "Unbreakable" where one is fragile and the other is firm.

I've noticed that you and I completely root for opposite fighters more often then not.

I'm a huge BCD fan and been a long time since BCDs early fights. I think BCD is gonna outbox Tarver from begining to end.

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It's not just you Mick, I seem to naturally gravitate towards fighters that the majority dislike, Froch, Mora, Tarver, Mayorga etc.

I think at some deep level I like to be antagonistic and different from the herd.

But Tarver is one of those fighters who no matter what you think about him deserves more credit for his acomplishment than he has gotten over the years.

I'm looking forward to this matchup immensely.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I know he's one of the most hated men in the sport but I have to confess he's secretly growing on me.

With Toney no longer fighting very often I'd say Tarver is the premier trash talker in boxing and he does make me laugh.

I've got a sneaky feeling he's going to completely and utterly expose Chad Dawson, outwitting and befuddling him, dropping him and eventually forcing the referee to step in and save him in the final couple rounds.

I'm hoping he does a number on him, Dawson didn't impress me at all against Johnson and I think is ready to get taken to school.

Go Tarver!!

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Bilbo I'm starting to think you and I are water & oil.
Like the film "Unbreakable" where one is fragile and the other is firm.

I've noticed that you and I completely root for opposite fighters more often then not.

I'm a huge BCD fan and been a long time since BCDs early fights. I think BCD is gonna outbox Tarver from begining to end.

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It's not just you Mick, I seem to naturally gravitate towards fighters that the majority dislike, Froch, Mora, Tarver, Mayorga etc.

I think at some deep level I like to be antagonistic and different from the herd.

But Tarver is one of those fighters who no matter what you think about him deserves more credit for his acomplishment than he has gotten over the years.

I'm looking forward to this matchup immensely.

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I'm sure some of you have seen this but it's funny as fack!! ;D


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na fuck Tarver

i'm all for a controversial character who can back it up, Hopkins could. Tarver is shit and looks a fucking fool shooting his mouth out when he is a second rate boxer at best.

tarver ko dawson hell no dawson took some hard shots frm johnson but dawsons speed and workrate will be too much for tarvers punk ass

He still has the power to stop Dawson but he lacks the workrate these days to beat Dawson through 12 rounds.

I feel Tarver is actually past it and even though he looked good against woods the fight is misleading because woods appeared to be unfocused and didn't do anything for 12 rounds and just allowed Tarver to counter when he wanted.

Dawson will be focused and determined to beat Tarver and i see him pulling off a decision win.

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tarver ko dawson hell no dawson took some hard shots frm johnson but dawsons speed and workrate will be too much for tarvers punk ass

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He was wobbled several times by Johnson. Johnson is a pressure fighter, coming straight ahead. His KO's are almost all accumulation KO's. Tarver is more of a counterpuncher, and he has better one-punch power than Johnson.

Dawson may well outpoint Tarver in a decision, but don't kid yourself. Tarver has the potential flatten Dawson.

And those who say that Tarver can't back up the talk, he's 2-1 against Roy Jones. It's funny the same people that are giving Roy a chance against Calzaghe NOW are the same people who use the excuse that Roy was shot when he got KTFO by Tarver. You can't have it both ways. And what about all the pre-fight crap that came out of Hopkins mouth before the the Calzaghe fight? Did Hopkins back it up? Talk about a guy who makes excuses and never gives respect. That's OK. We love Hopkins.

It cracks me up. Tarver was in same situation, regarding weight loss, when he lost to Hopkins, a hall of famer, and that's not a good reason for having an off night. Yet, these same people who won't cut Tarver slack for the Hopkins fight use the weight-loss excuse to explain Roy's performance in the first Tarver fight. Talk about wanting to have it both ways. They Jones has a full 6 months to make his body right and gets KO'd. But Tarver is crap.

Tarver looks lousy after taking a full year off. Anybody else gets a free pass because of ring rust, but not Tarver. Tarver is crap. Then comes back very strong in his next two fights, including a total demolition of Clinton Woods, who was on a nice little roll. But Tarver still crap.

No. People hate him because he proved Roy Jones Jr. was human. Roy Jones Jr. fans wanted Roy to finish his career with only the Griffin DQ as a blemish, and go down as the greatest boxer in the history of earth. Lots of boxers talk crap and sound silly. Almost none generate the kind of hate Tarver does. Why? Because Tarver knocked out there favorite fighter, they guy who they thought was the greatest ever. Tarver is crap and he just got lucky. Jones could have won the 3rd fight if he wasn't afraid to let his hands go. Bullcrap. There was a reason why he was afraid to let his hands go, and if he would have done it, Tarver would have knocked him out again.

The more I think about this, the more I want Tarver pull this off. He's not even being a jerk promoting this fight. It will be amusing to hear the new and creative ways people invent to discredit Tarver. Really, it will be hilarious, because if he wins, it will be because Dawson is crap.

I'm rooting for Dawson but I wouldn't be surprised if Tarver pulled it off! This is a very difficult assignment for both guys. Hopefully whoever wins gives The Road Warrior Johnson another shot!

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tarver ko dawson hell no dawson took some hard shots frm johnson but dawsons speed and workrate will be too much for tarvers punk ass

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He was wobbled several times by Johnson. Johnson is a pressure fighter, coming straight ahead. His KO's are almost all accumulation KO's. Tarver is more of a counterpuncher, and he has better one-punch power than Johnson.

Dawson may well outpoint Tarver in a decision, but don't kid yourself. Tarver has the potential flatten Dawson.

And those who say that Tarver can't back up the talk, he's 2-1 against Roy Jones. It's funny the same people that are giving Roy a chance against Calzaghe NOW are the same people who use the excuse that Roy was shot when he got KTFO by Tarver. You can't have it both ways. And what about all the pre-fight crap that came out of Hopkins mouth before the the Calzaghe fight? Did Hopkins back it up? Talk about a guy who makes excuses and never gives respect. That's OK. We love Hopkins.

It cracks me up. Tarver was in same situation, regarding weight loss, when he lost to Hopkins, a hall of famer, and that's not a good reason for having an off night. Yet, these same people who won't cut Tarver slack for the Hopkins fight use the weight-loss excuse to explain Roy's performance in the first Tarver fight. Talk about wanting to have it both ways. They Jones has a full 6 months to make his body right and gets KO'd. But Tarver is crap.

Tarver looks lousy after taking a full year off. Anybody else gets a free pass because of ring rust, but not Tarver. Tarver is crap. Then comes back very strong in his next two fights, including a total demolition of Clinton Woods, who was on a nice little roll. But Tarver still crap.

No. People hate him because he proved Roy Jones Jr. was human. Roy Jones Jr. fans wanted Roy to finish his career with only the Griffin DQ as a blemish, and go down as the greatest boxer in the history of earth. Lots of boxers talk crap and sound silly. Almost none generate the kind of hate Tarver does. Why? Because Tarver knocked out there favorite fighter, they guy who they thought was the greatest ever. Tarver is crap and he just got lucky. Jones could have won the 3rd fight if he wasn't afraid to let his hands go. Bullcrap. There was a reason why he was afraid to let his hands go, and if he would have done it, Tarver would have knocked him out again.

The more I think about this, the more I want Tarver pull this off. He's not even being a jerk promoting this fight. It will be amusing to hear the new and creative ways people invent to discredit Tarver. Really, it will be hilarious, because if he wins, it will be because Dawson is crap.

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ah nice to see someone coming around to the Bilbo way of thinking :)

Tarver has had to work to earn respect probably more than any other fighter in recent history. Like you I think his beating Roy Jones ass over 3 fights and sending him unconscious in the second means he'll always be hated.

I guess if he was humble afterwards and acknowledged that he 'got lucky' in fighting Jones at the right time people would have forgiven him but his confidence was probably too much for people to handle.


Much like Camilla Parker Bowles who will never be liked by the British public because of her being the 'other woman' who led to Charles cheating on 'poor Diana' Tarver will never gain respect for beating Jones the way he did.

It's actually funny the situation with Camilla in this country. By every single media account she is a charming and delightful woman in private, who keeps out of the spotlight as much as possible to avoid bringing any controversy to her husband and antagonising the public. Meanwhile the reality of Diane was that she was a shockingly self obsessed, almost crazy attention seeking bulimic slapper who threw threw herself at men and had a string of affairs herself, including affairs with Will Carling, and her riding instructor James Hewitt. Add to that the fact she dumped the middle class heart surgeon Hasnat Khan when he told her he wanted a quiet life family to live it up with the son of the notoriously corrupt and coincidently mega rich Muhammed Al Fayed.

Charles on the other hand dated Camilla before he even got with Diana, was pressured into marrying Diana as she was more 'acceptable' to the public but remained true to his one true love in the end and got with the woman he'd wanted to be with for the past 30 years. Camilla and Charles fell in love in 1970 but Camilla got married and Charles had to wait another 35 years to finally get her.

In an earlier age Shakespeare would have written a play about them akin to Romeo and Juliet, with Diana cast as the role of the harlot.

But because Camillia was not attractive whereas Diana was (allegedly) Camilla became the evil adultress.

But the Baggins can see through all the media hype and spin.

Camilla and Charles is a love story for the ages, a 38 year love affair and they are still going strong.

It's like Romeo and Juliet with ugly people, a love story to rival that of the biblical Jacob toiling for Laban for 14 years to win the heart of Rachel his true love.

Ok I've wondered slighty off topic here, anyway rant over now ;D

Bilbo IMO Tarver would be a lot more respected if he were more consistant! He's got a big mouth but fails to back it up. It was the same when he was an amateur.

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tarver ko dawson hell no dawson took some hard shots frm johnson but dawsons speed and workrate will be too much for tarvers punk ass

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He was wobbled several times by Johnson. Johnson is a pressure fighter, coming straight ahead. His KO's are almost all accumulation KO's. Tarver is more of a counterpuncher, and he has better one-punch power than Johnson.

Dawson may well outpoint Tarver in a decision, but don't kid yourself. Tarver has the potential flatten Dawson.

And those who say that Tarver can't back up the talk, he's 2-1 against Roy Jones. It's funny the same people that are giving Roy a chance against Calzaghe NOW are the same people who use the excuse that Roy was shot when he got KTFO by Tarver. You can't have it both ways. And what about all the pre-fight crap that came out of Hopkins mouth before the the Calzaghe fight? Did Hopkins back it up? Talk about a guy who makes excuses and never gives respect. That's OK. We love Hopkins.

It cracks me up. Tarver was in same situation, regarding weight loss, when he lost to Hopkins, a hall of famer, and that's not a good reason for having an off night. Yet, these same people who won't cut Tarver slack for the Hopkins fight use the weight-loss excuse to explain Roy's performance in the first Tarver fight. Talk about wanting to have it both ways. They Jones has a full 6 months to make his body right and gets KO'd. But Tarver is crap.

Tarver looks lousy after taking a full year off. Anybody else gets a free pass because of ring rust, but not Tarver. Tarver is crap. Then comes back very strong in his next two fights, including a total demolition of Clinton Woods, who was on a nice little roll. But Tarver still crap.

No. People hate him because he proved Roy Jones Jr. was human. Roy Jones Jr. fans wanted Roy to finish his career with only the Griffin DQ as a blemish, and go down as the greatest boxer in the history of earth. Lots of boxers talk crap and sound silly. Almost none generate the kind of hate Tarver does. Why? Because Tarver knocked out there favorite fighter, they guy who they thought was the greatest ever. Tarver is crap and he just got lucky. Jones could have won the 3rd fight if he wasn't afraid to let his hands go. Bullcrap. There was a reason why he was afraid to let his hands go, and if he would have done it, Tarver would have knocked him out again.

The more I think about this, the more I want Tarver pull this off. He's not even being a jerk promoting this fight. It will be amusing to hear the new and creative ways people invent to discredit Tarver. Really, it will be hilarious, because if he wins, it will be because Dawson is crap.

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ah nice to see someone coming around to the Bilbo way of thinking :)

Tarver has had to work to earn respect probably more than any other fighter in recent history. Like you I think his beating Roy Jones ass over 3 fights and sending him unconscious in the second means he'll always be hated.

I guess if he was humble afterwards and acknowledged that he 'got lucky' in fighting Jones at the right time people would have forgiven him but his confidence was probably too much for people to handle.


Much like Camilla Parker Bowles who will never be liked by the British public because of her being the 'other woman' who led to Charles cheating on 'poor Diana' Tarver will never gain respect for beating Jones the way he did.

It's actually funny the situation with Camilla in this country. By every single media account she is a charming and delightful woman in private, who keeps out of the spotlight as much as possible to avoid bringing any controversy to her husband and antagonising the public. Meanwhile the reality of Diane was that she was a shockingly self obsessed, almost crazy attention seeking bulimic slapper who threw threw herself at men and had a string of affairs herself, including affairs with Will Carling, and her riding instructor James Hewitt. Add to that the fact she dumped the middle class heart surgeon Hasnat Khan when he told her he wanted a quiet life family to live it up with the son of the notoriously corrupt and coincidently mega rich Muhammed Al Fayed.

Charles on the other hand dated Camilla before he even got with Diana, was pressured into marrying Diana as she was more 'acceptable' to the public but remained true to his one true love in the end and got with the woman he'd wanted to be with for the past 30 years. Camilla and Charles fell in love in 1970 but Camilla got married and Charles had to wait another 35 years to finally get her.

In an earlier age Shakespeare would have written a play about them akin to Romeo and Juliet, with Diana cast as the role of the harlot.

But because Camillia was not attractive whereas Diana was (allegedly) Camilla became the evil adultress.

But the Baggins can see through all the media hype and spin.

Camilla and Charles is a love story for the ages, a 38 year love affair and they are still going strong.

It's like Romeo and Juliet with ugly people, a love story to rival that of the biblical Jacob toiling for Laban for 14 years to win the heart of Rachel his true love.

Ok I've wondered slighty off topic here, anyway rant over now ;D

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I've always thought that way, Baggins, but your topic and the inevitable haterism it inspired brought out my rant. It's been simmering for a good while. Nice analogy about Diana/Camilla. That was a good chuckle first thing in the morning.

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Bilbo IMO Tarver would be a lot more respected if he were more consistant! He's got a big mouth but fails to back it up. It was the same when he was an amateur.

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He might be more respected, but he'd still be hated and probably not respected enough...look at how much people hated on Larry Holmes and how little respect he gets/got relative to his accomplishments. His great crime was not being Ali. Holmes was consistant, and far more humble than Tarver. He still got the crap end of the stick from the public and even from many hardcore boxing fans.

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Bilbo IMO Tarver would be a lot more respected if he were more consistant! He's got a big mouth but fails to back it up. It was the same when he was an amateur.

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He might be more respected, but he'd still be hated and probably not respected enough...look at how much people hated on Larry Holmes and how little respect he gets/got relative to his accomplishments. His great crime was not being Ali. Holmes was consistant, and far more humble than Tarver. He still got the crap end of the stick from the public and even from many hardcore boxing fans.

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Holmes was definitely consistent but the Marciano quotes went along way in hurting him. The bitterness he holds to this day turns a lot of fans off!