let me know how you think a prime mike tyson wouldve fared against the likes of louis, marciano, ali etc.
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let me know how you think a prime mike tyson wouldve fared against the likes of louis, marciano, ali etc.
Tyson was a beast and is one of the heavyweight legends himself. I think he fares well against the majority of fighters head to head but think it's something that could go either way on any given night with great fighters of this caliber.
mike tyson would beat all except ali. marciano was to slow to keep up with tyson same goes for louis, frazier would get kod in the first round foreman wouldnt land anything cleanly so thats it mike would beat all except ali.
Foreman style wise is a mare for Tyson and he would KO Mike. Ali and Holmes would out point him.
Prime for prime that is.
I think Prime Mike would do well against a lot of HW legends. I think he has too much firepower for the likes of guys like Marciano and Louis, who really weren't HWs to begin with. I think he would probably knock Frazier and Ken Norton out. I'd give him a good shot against Foreman.
But that being said, I think the durable, fast jabbing and quick moving guys like Ali and Holmes would beat him.
i think that tyson wouldve been too fast and powerful for all but ali. sonny liston wouldve been a great fight though, two ferocious tough guys going at it. again i think tyson would be too fast.
Marciano and Louis would most likely be cruisers in Tysons era,Ali would have embarrassed him,Foreman and Holmes would have kept him away until they got the big shot,Frazier would have been interesting,because it would be mirror images going against each other
This is an interview with Holmes right after Tyson smashed him through the canvas, he says Mike was very hard to hit, was very sharp and he couldnt live with him on the inside, Mike would have done the same to a prime Holmes, it might have taken a couple of rounds more but it would end with Holmes on his back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqMMT...eature=related
Mike was something special, Ok Holmes wasnt in his prime but he was even further removed from that when he pushed Holyfield alll the way and beat Mercer who should have got the decision against Lewis.
No one else would ever have done that to Holmes at any point in his career;D
I like Tyson to beat some of the smaller greats like Marciano, Dempsey, Frazier, maybe Louis. Louis's chin wasn't the best, although it should be noted that they used smaller gloves then.
Foreman would probably beat Tyson, similar in ways to Frazier, but Tyson was a much faster starter than Frazier, with a better variety of punches. So Tyson would be a live underdog, while I can't envision any Frazier beating Foreman. The uppercut is key against shorter swarmers though, and it was a punch you could get Tyson with. That was the key punch against Frazier, and I think it'd be the key punch against Tyson.
I'd make Holmes the slight favorite against Tyson. An interesting thing was mentioned on ESPN Classic Ringside (I think), on Tyson. Teddy Atlas was saying that Cus would tell Tyson what he would do if he were to fight Holmes. You could time him with a right hand. Snipes and Shavers badly hurt him with hit (some refs would've stopped those bouts), Weaver hurt him with it, Spoon did as well. When Tyson fought an aging Holmes, it was this punch that was the beginning of the end for Holmes. Obviously a younger Holmes is tougher to time than a 1988 Holmes, but other guys did it and hurt him and they weren't the finishers that Tyson was.
I can see both sides about Holyfield. Some believe that Holyfield would always own Tyson, had the right style for Tyson, was too much mentally and physically, etc... Maybe. Then again, a younger Tyson attacked the body more. I've seen Holyfield doubled over or hurt quite a few times from good body shots. Also, the older Holyfield who beat an Tyson was smarter and stronger than the younger Holyfield. Holyfield said he learned to control his aggression, especially after getting stopped by Bowe. He clinched Tyson a lot, and was physically stronger. Holyfield was supposedly shot, but in actuality he had adapted well as he got older. Would a younger Holyfield clinch Tyson and outwrestle him, or get drawn into warfare as he so often did?
I think Ali outboxes Tyson and wins a UD, maybe stops him late. Tyson's dangerous in the early going, maybe he can take advantage of Ali's flaws and suspectibility to a left hook and stop him, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Your kidding right,Holmes had been retired for a year and a half when he fought TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
18 months is fuck all, some active fighters have 18 months between fights, look at De La Hoya.
Tyson wiped his ass with Holmes and Holmes basicly admitted Mike was alot better than he had thought, he also said Mike was the shrpest puncher he had fought and that includes some top boys;D
He also admitted he was very hard to hit
Ha ha I win;D
lewis would of beat tyson prime for prime no doubt
Man what are you talking about ross he was 38 years old dude and did not fight for over a year not to mention had 14 days to train dude. Sorry you sound like a nut hugger if you think there fight would determine how a prime Holmes would do if he was fighting and the sad part is that Tysons best win is over old Holmes. Tyson has to be the most overrated Heavyweight of all time he has a weak resume and was in the weakest era of boxing since Rocky. He never beat a elite fighter he always lost the big fights so i do not get were Tyson was unstopable maybe if he was fighting old men or complete losers. His lose to Douglas was priceless and his lose to Evander Holyfeild was even better let me just say i a Holyfeild fan because Holyfeild truly was the real deal and he showed it by beating people. Unlike Tyson who fought nobodies and then lost to the real champions and for you say he was not prime Holyfeild had bad hart condtion and was older still won.
Ok
I still win though, so ha ha
I admire how Holyfield got away with juicing for so long;D
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Originally Posted by ross
Your crazy if you think Tyson does that to prime Holmes infact id go as far as to call you nuts.
Im a huge Tyson fan but man you need a history lesson son.
Ah people do get upset at how Mike became the youngest ever heavyweight champ and ruined a whole division and is the only man to ko Holmes and Spinks.
Boo hoo hoo:eek:
Ha ha;D
You mean a ready for retirement Spinks, and a coming out of retirement HolmesQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Wow what an accomplishment,does he also kick old women for sport?
Bet you were crying when Holyfeild,Douglas and Lewis beat up on the man whos nuts you hug so tightly get off it Tyson champ of weaker divsion then now nothing to be to proud of if you ask me dude it is kind of a joke. Say what you want about Holyfeild juicing but atleast he did not bite peoples ears off and rape wemon.
No, fair play to Mike he conned millions out of ppv's from idiots who watched his post Rooney fights when he didnt train or give a shit.
Holyfield did bite someone on the shoulder in an amature match and has dozens of kids he dont pay anything towards, not really rape but thats ok cause mike didnt really rape either.
Ha ha I win;D
Tyson raped and sure bitting ears off are ok and trying to break someones arms ok to. At least Holyfeild did not have to force wemon to have sex with him. And he actual won against elite fighters as well so there ross i win the guy your so in love with is a loser.
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Originally Posted by ross
How funny is that vid, Larry says he's retired then he goes on and fights for nearly another 20 years hahah
Ha ha I win, the more you reply the stupider you are;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
What ever you say dude still wont change anything so what ever.
Stupider;D
Might as well keep it going waht elite fighter did Tyson beat ross dont say Holmes he was not elite at the age of 38 so dont give me that.
As much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
Spinks, Tucker and Biggs all were undefeated and Mike ruined them;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I win again;D
Spinks was a great at LHW and for the others what they have going for them besides the 0 they did nothing with there career and were not elite.
They had nothing left after Mike ruined em and Roy Jones and James Toney are both former middles who beat heavy weight champs;D
That does not change teh fact that Tucker and bigg were elite though.
You don't have a clue what your on about stick to Joe Calzaghe topics, the fact is Larry Holmes had been past his prime since 1983. He didn't look good against Carl Williams or Michael Spinks or David Bey. When he fought Mike Tyson not only was he coming off a 2 year lay off he also only had few weeks to train and was coming off two losses.............Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
When he fought Evander Holyfield he wasn't coming off a long lay off, and he didn't only have few weeks to train like he did against Mike Tyson thats the difference. Mike Tyson was good but overrated Tony Tucker was winning there fight until he broke his hand in the 4th round, and still lasted 12 rounds, Larry Holmes was special at his best and i doubt you have ever seen Homes against Shavers, Norton, etc because if you had you would know he was a shell of himself against Mike Tyson..........
I find it funny that Mike Tyson fans are happy for there boy to beat past there prime fighters, and give him credit for it. Yet when Mike Tyson loses to Buster Douglas in only his early 20s and loses to Evander Holyfield in his late 20's, when Holyfield was past his prime and also older, they make excuses for Tyson like theres no tomorrow, a majority of Tyson fans are hypocrites and these posts from you Ross prove it.
Ah dont let it upset you, have a lollipop;D
Mike did what he was supposed to do against an over rated has been, shame Holyfield and Mercer couldnt stop Holmes;D
Why do you lot cry so hard when Mike Tyson is mentioned:confused:
"Holmes was old, Spinks was small, Holyfield didnt juice or headbutt, Lewis didnt have a glass chin or gift decision over Mercer, the eighties heavys were weak, Mike was a bully"
Cliche after cliche, its all been said before, Mikes been retired for 3 years, let it go.
Mike kicked the shit out of Holmes, nothings gonna change that, dont cry.
It don't upset me but it obviously upsets you, because when anyone ever brings up Mike Tyson losing your only comeback is "stop getting upset" when infact your the one getting upset i couldn't careless. I just wanted to point out a few facts which you forgot the mention or didn't mention to make Tyson's win sound better..........Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Your acting like a stupid kid because someone doesn't think Tyson is the greatest thing since Jesus himself, you have to try and wind people up on purpose but you just make yourself look stupid and childish. The late 80's Heavyweight's were weak and thats a fact probably the 2nd or 3rd weakest era for the Heavyweights of all time.........
Guys like Tony Tubbs, Pinklon Thomas, guys who did have talent were shot fighters when Tyson fought them because they either took drugs or couldn't lay off the food, i never said Tyson wasn't good in his prime but not as good as Tyson fans claim, and if you give Tyson credit for beating Holmes. Then you must give credit for Holyfield or Douglas for beating Tyson, you can't have it one way and not the other.
ok
What makes it interesting is while Tyson was the faster puncher,Frazier was the smarter fighter,and had it turns out a better chinQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanAs much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
Im not sure Joe Frazier had a better chin he was knocked down few times against Bonavena and knocked down multiple times against Foreman, Tyson although he was weak mentality and had questionable heart did have a good chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWhat makes it interesting is while Tyson was the faster puncher,Frazier was the smarter fighter,and had it turns out a better chinQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanAs much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
Frazier was not just smarter, he was mentally tougher. He had twice the heart of Tyson...hmmmm.....maybe this fight is a pickem, too. Definately an interesting matchup the more that I think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer MonkeyWhat makes it interesting is while Tyson was the faster puncher,Frazier was the smarter fighter,and had it turns out a better chinQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanAs much as I love Frazier, Tyson win with one because he's bigger and faster, and when two fighters with similar styles meet, if one guy is bigger and faster, he will usually win. You beat Tyson with a jab and KO punch or an iron chin and a KO punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
I agree that Foreman would have handled him like he did Frazier, but probably not as easily. Ali and Holmes prime Holmes would have boxed circles around him. I would favor Holmes, but he would have had a punchers chance against him. Yes, Ali would really make him look silly. Watch the Quick Tillis fight and imagine what Ali's movement and power would have done to Tyson.
Tyson would be too big and strong for Rocky, I think. I would Joe Louis a 50/50 shot. Louis was smaller, but his jab, skill, and punching power would give him a shot. I also think Lennox Lewis at his best would have beat Tyson at his best.
Thats why when I looked at it,I couldnt make a decisive pick.If Frazier could take Tysons power early,he'd out think him down the stretch.Its the most interesting of the match ups,Brains vs Brawn
Frazier wouldnt outsmart anyone, he was just very consistent, just rumbling forward the whole time, Mike had the same power late on in fights and was hard to hit as Larry said, he also took a good shot if he did get hit.
Frazier on the other hand was relatively easy to hit and did get hurt a few times, Mike would stop him in the first 4 rounds.
If you cant get out of the way of Foremans wide swinging punches your not gonna last long with Mike;)
You are just a little fan boy aint ya,Frazier was WAYYYYYYYYYY smarter then Tyson in the ringQuote:
Originally Posted by ross