It makes sense to me why Guzman didn't make weight
He was 148 against Soto even though he was in at 128 something. Doing this to your body can make it so that you can't even even get within 10 pounds of that down the road. Obviously he was destroying his too much in order to make 130, and sometimes that makes a guy skip a weight class. Thats why Castillo had a hard time making 140 after fighting his whole career at 135, and thats why Corrales skipped the LWW division, because he couldn't make 140. When Guzman is putting on 18-20 pounds from weigh-in to fight night, that will have its a toll on a fighter even if they don't go through wars in the ring, that doesn't mean their bodies haven't gone through wars in the sauna. If he still turned down the fight, and the chance to lose the weight it tells me something was very wrong with him, and that to do so would be very dangerous.
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His punk ass should still be suspended.
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Mississippi Boxing Commission will probably impose a 1 year suspension on Guzman... IMO he deserved it tho it's sad to deprive him to earn a living...
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No doubt he should be penalised for what happened. If you know you are having trouble making the weight, it should be open and upfront and the fight can be rescheduled or cancelled with due notice. Otherwise you are just screwing around a lot of people and making a mess of things. I could understand if he was even close to the weight but he was closer to junior welterweight than 135. Way off.
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SaddoBoxer
Mississippi Boxing Commission will probably impose a 1 year suspension on Guzman... IMO he deserved it tho it's sad to deprive him to earn a living...
He just had an oppurtunity to earn a living ??? Nate should be payed and fight right away ,Guzman fined abit.He was hungry in all the wrong ways :bucktooth:
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nates got a mandatory comin up soon and yes guzman should get suspended along with an old fashioned ass whoopin from nate himself.:beatdeadhorse:
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Either you guys are idiots, or you have no experience with whole cutting weight scenario. This happens sometimes. You don't think Corrales trained his ass off to make weight against Casamayor for their third fight? You don't think Gary Russell Jr. trained hard to make weight for the olympics? Or Gavin?
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People often make it seem like loosing a few pounds is nothing.
I always say even if it's 1 weight class fighters are not just loosing let's say the 5 pounds from 135 to 130 or visa versa. The are often loosing 15-20 pounds.
Which is why since ODLH-Pac was talked about I said it was ridicoulous to think ODLH could drop down to 147 without a HUGE sacrafice.
He's gonna look like a corpse come weigh in day. Then he'll ballon up but the damage has been made by then.
I can only see a bad ending here for ODLH whether in the ring or out of ring either way I see this as a loose loose situation for him.
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People often make it seem like loosing a few pounds is nothing.
I always say even if it's 1 weight class fighters are not just loosing let's say the 5 pounds from 135 to 130 or visa versa. The are often loosing 15-20 pounds.
Which is why since ODLH-Pac was talked about I said it was ridicoulous to think ODLH could drop down to 147 without a HUGE sacrafice.
He's gonna look like a corpse come weigh in day. Then he'll ballon up but the damage has been made by then.
I can only see a bad ending here for ODLH whether in the ring or out of ring either way I see this as a loose loose situation for him.
These type of comments will make PAC a genius for pushing and going after a DelaHoya fight at 147 lbs... Right? :lolhaha:
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CutMeMick
People often make it seem like loosing a few pounds is nothing.
I always say even if it's 1 weight class fighters are not just loosing let's say the 5 pounds from 135 to 130 or visa versa. The are often loosing 15-20 pounds.
Which is why since ODLH-Pac was talked about I said it was ridicoulous to think ODLH could drop down to 147 without a HUGE sacrafice.
He's gonna look like a corpse come weigh in day. Then he'll ballon up but the damage has been made by then.
I can only see a bad ending here for ODLH whether in the ring or out of ring either way I see this as a loose loose situation for him.
These type of comments will make PAC a genius for pushing and going after a DelaHoya fight at 147 lbs... Right? :lolhaha:
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Uuuummm!!
ODLH had announced he was fighting at 147 long before ANY opponents were named.
I don't think the opponent had anything to do with it.
IF ANYONE had anything to do with ODLH moving down it was Cotto as if he would have won he would have fought him.
So Pac just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
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CutMeMick
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SaddoBoxer
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CutMeMick
People often make it seem like loosing a few pounds is nothing.
I always say even if it's 1 weight class fighters are not just loosing let's say the 5 pounds from 135 to 130 or visa versa. The are often loosing 15-20 pounds.
Which is why since ODLH-Pac was talked about I said it was ridicoulous to think ODLH could drop down to 147 without a HUGE sacrafice.
He's gonna look like a corpse come weigh in day. Then he'll ballon up but the damage has been made by then.
I can only see a bad ending here for ODLH whether in the ring or out of ring either way I see this as a loose loose situation for him.
These type of comments will make PAC a genius for pushing and going after a DelaHoya fight at 147 lbs... Right? :lolhaha:
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Uuuummm!!
ODLH had announced he was fighting at 147 long before ANY opponents were named.
I don't think the opponent had anything to do with it.
IF ANYONE had anything to do with ODLH moving down it was Cotto as if he would have won he would have fought him.
So Pac just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
And what make you think Oscar will fight Cotto at 147? Oscar will make it sure a fight with Cotto will be at 154 (see Hoya-PBF) and have all the advantages in the world... Oscar will dictate all the conditions and preferably in his favor... ;)
You can just appreciate PAC's tough stand in asking the fight at 147 and 40% share of the purse... ;D
Do you think Oscar will fight Margarito at 147? 154? 160? ;)
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Taeth
Either you guys are idiots, or you have no experience with whole cutting weight scenario. This happens sometimes. You don't think Corrales trained his ass off to make weight against Casamayor for their third fight? You don't think Gary Russell Jr. trained hard to make weight for the olympics? Or Gavin?
Corrales himself said it wasn't his best training camp
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Taeth
He was 148 against Soto even though he was in at 128 something. Doing this to your body can make it so that you can't even even get within 10 pounds of that down the road.
Which is why I've been saying for a while that there should be a limit on the amount of weight you're allowed to gain in the time after the weigh-in.
If it's an 130 pound fight, you shouldn't be allowed to rehydrate over 140. If it's a 135 pound fight, you shouldn't be able to enter the ring above 147, etc.
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Taeth
Either you guys are idiots, or you have no experience with whole cutting weight scenario. This happens sometimes. You don't think Corrales trained his ass off to make weight against Casamayor for their third fight? You don't think Gary Russell Jr. trained hard to make weight for the olympics? Or Gavin?
Hey easy mate on branding guys out here.. You have a point there regarding cutting weight.. But in Guzmans case, he isn't a natural 135 fighter remember.. Corrales is a tall beast for a 135 frame so the difference there already is obvious. Guzman never fought at 135 before and he easily make 130 a year ago. The issue here is why he didn't make it at 135.. He has about 3 months since they agree to fight. Remember guys they are professionals and knows the consequence of over and under trained. Since the Castillo debacle, they are already implementing a mandatory monitoring to avoid such thing to ever happen again. Guzman should know that better isn't. WHAT IT DOESN'T MAKES SENSE TO ME IS what are his team doing during his training camp? Their job is to monitor his weight and condition.
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Same day weigh-ins would solve this problem.
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Killer I make you right, Im pretty sure there seems more injurys now than there use to be. Now its a risky what some people are trying to do, some things never change, Try to be clever means youre trying so you are not. ;D
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Taeth
Either you guys are idiots, or you have no experience with whole cutting weight scenario. This happens sometimes. You don't think Corrales trained his ass off to make weight against Casamayor for their third fight? You don't think Gary Russell Jr. trained hard to make weight for the olympics? Or Gavin?
Hey easy mate on branding guys out here.. You have a point there regarding cutting weight.. But in Guzmans case, he isn't a natural 135 fighter remember.. Corrales is a tall beast for a 135 frame so the difference there already is obvious. Guzman never fought at 135 before and he easily make 130 a year ago. The issue here is why he didn't make it at 135.. He has about 3 months since they agree to fight. Remember guys they are professionals and knows the consequence of over and under trained. Since the Castillo debacle, they are already implementing a mandatory monitoring to avoid such thing to ever happen again. Guzman should know that better isn't. WHAT IT DOESN'T MAKES SENSE TO ME IS what are his team doing during his training camp? Their job is to monitor his weight and condition.
You can argue height all you want, but Diego COrrales wasn't coming into the ring at 148 when he was a superfeatherweight. Its unusual to see a lightweight come in at 148 let alone a superfeatherweight, that kind of weight gain means that he wasn't making weight easily, and he was doing something very unnatural with his body to get down there. Lots of times fighters will be within a few pounds of their weigh-in and not cut those pounds until closer to the weigh in becuase the longer they are at those low weights the more unhealthy it is.
As for Oscar, he should make 147 fine, he didn't just all the sudden come back down, and he didn't have any trouble making 150 against Forbes. He said he is at 151 right now, and that he will make the weight easy. If he struggled at all to make 150 I could see your guys' point, but he didn't so I think there is no conclusive evidence 147 will be a bad weight for Oscar.
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Taeth
He was 148 against Soto even though he was in at 128 something. Doing this to your body can make it so that you can't even even get within 10 pounds of that down the road. Obviously he was destroying his too much in order to make 130, and sometimes that makes a guy skip a weight class. Thats why Castillo had a hard time making 140 after fighting his whole career at 135, and thats why Corrales skipped the LWW division, because he couldn't make 140. When Guzman is putting on 18-20 pounds from weigh-in to fight night, that will have its a toll on a fighter even if they don't go through wars in the ring, that doesn't mean their bodies haven't gone through wars in the sauna. If he still turned down the fight, and the chance to lose the weight it tells me something was very wrong with him, and that to do so would be very dangerous.
Now that we know Guzman pulls a Ricky Hatton in between fights, you're right, it makes sense, especially when he doesn't give himself a long enough training camp like Hatton does.The problem was that he let himself ballon up in between fights and had a short training came. He probably did very little conditioning during his layoff. If you are going to live that kind of lifestyle, you give yourself time. Guzman knew he had a big fight coming at some point. He should have watched his diet and done a little running before camp started. If he would have showed up at camp at 155 instead of 170, he could have easily dropped ten more naturally in a six week camp and drained out the last ten without putting himself in jeopardy.
Also, you can drain water from muscle much more easily than you can from fat. If he was draining 15lbs of water to make weight before, it was possible because he was in proper shape. If he had let his lean muscle mass drop by being out of shape for his entire year off, there is no way he could drain the same amount of water. Look at Tito and Roy before there fight...in shape, active Jones made weight no problem. Fat, inactive Tito had the weight issue.
Look at Bernard Hopkins. Why was he able to stay at MW so long? He stayed in shape between training camps. Same with Shane Mosley. Same with Roy Jones.
The same thing happened with Chico and JCC. They didn't take care of themselves between fights and as they aged, it caught up with them. If they treated their bodies like Hopkins treats his, weight never would have been an issue for either. Perhaps moving up one division would have been necessary, but they could have made weight properly.
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Taeth
He was 148 against Soto even though he was in at 128 something. Doing this to your body can make it so that you can't even even get within 10 pounds of that down the road.
Which is why I've been saying for a while that there should be a limit on the amount of weight you're allowed to gain in the time after the weigh-in.
If it's an 130 pound fight, you shouldn't be allowed to rehydrate over 140. If it's a 135 pound fight, you shouldn't be able to enter the ring above 147, etc.
that would be even more harder on fighters, that means they have to watch their weight twice before the fight. its additional stress the fighters do not need.
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Too bad it's only a ban in Mississippi, that isn't going to hurt him at all. I hope he gets sued by Nate and has to pay out of his next fight's purse. Especially after what 3 fights in a row falling through with this guy.
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SweetPea
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Taeth
He was 148 against Soto even though he was in at 128 something. Doing this to your body can make it so that you can't even even get within 10 pounds of that down the road.
Which is why I've been saying for a while that there should be a limit on the amount of weight you're allowed to gain in the time after the weigh-in.
If it's an 130 pound fight, you shouldn't be allowed to rehydrate over 140. If it's a 135 pound fight, you shouldn't be able to enter the ring above 147, etc.
that would be even more harder on fighters, that means they have to watch their weight twice before the fight. its additional stress the fighters do not need.
I think the IBF has some additional weight restrictions......
