Steve Forbes will beat Andre Berto!
I think Forbes can shock Berto...anyone else agree?
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Steve Forbes will beat Andre Berto!
I think Forbes can shock Berto...anyone else agree?
The only way I can see Forbes beating Berto is if he can smoother Berto and take him out of his game and have Berto fight the wrong fight.
Something similar to what Nate did to Diaz.
But if Berto get's going and fights his fight he'll have field day all night long with Forbes.
I like Forbes, but I think Berto beats him. It might be a bit closer than most people think it will be, but I think Berto takes it.
Cant see it with him losing 3 out of his last 4
Ah no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
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You really need to cut down Lyle.
NO
No. I see qualities in Berto that remind me of PBF. I'm not saying that he's as good as Floyd but he has the potential to be IMO!
I expect Berto to win.
Forbes doesn't have the power to bother Berto and doesn't have the output to take rounds in the judges eyes, so no I don't agree.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Lyle, I'd like to say you're right cuz I think Berto's a pug but here's how I see it...
Forbes has the boxing ability to beat him but not the volume... and he ain't knocking Berto out so I see it as a superior boxer meating an inferior one that will win on points due to his punch volume.
My friend says the same thing as you but I see Berto's volume being the deciding factor.
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
The Berto train will grind to a hault once he meets a top tier guy... HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!
im almost sure berto will pass this test but dont be too sure its still 2008 frobes might mess around and pull another upset
He's only had 22 fights, once he gains some more experience he'll become an elite fighter IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
The Berto train will grind to a hault once he meets a top tier guy... HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!
Berto will be way to much for forbes he not the Sugar Ray Leonard yet but give Berto some time and he may just make a good name for him self.
He used the words has the potential to be as good as floyd... Do you remember what PBF looked like with 12 fights?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe's only had 22 fights, once he gains some more experience he'll become an elite fighter IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
The Berto train will grind to a hault once he meets a top tier guy... HE'S NOT THAT GOOD!
This statement is just crazy... He's the next Jeff Lacy... Sorry
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Jeff Lacy made a good name for himself too:cool:
Steve Forbes took Oscar De la Hoya the distance and Oscar didn't look so hot vs him. Forbes can take a punch, Berto doesn't punch as hard as people would like to believe and being on this big of a stage and being young I think Berto is primed for a loss.
Either way Miguel Cotto needs to fight either one of them in his come back fight....and either way he wins by KO
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Done and done.. well, said my friend!
Margrito i think ruined Cotto i think Cotto might end up like Vargas.
I Second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I think that Forbes is no longer at a good weight for him and i think Berto while blast him if they fight. As for Cotto he might end up like i said like Vargas after his first brutal defeat but we shall wait and see people tend to forget what a crushing lose does to a fighter.
Understood but Cotto does one thing Vargas never did and that's BOX. Sure Miguel is a brawler but in the first half of the fight vs Margarito he showed what a class boxer he really is.
And Mr140, Forbes hasn't been knocked down or knocked out and he gave De la Hoya all he could handle and De la Hoya as old as he is is still a far better fighter than Berto will ever be
Sorry Lyle but I think you are underestimating Berto. He is showing some real potential to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I've seen enough of Berto to know he can be beaten by a fighter like Forbes. Forbes just got done fighting De la Hoya who had the same defense and more power, so Forbes has experience vs the same style and a BETTER FIGHTER. Look at Berto's record....who the hell is on there???
I'm not saying it's certain Berto is going to lose but it won't surprise me if he does
Oscar vs. Forbes was a set up showcase type fight for DelaHoya to get back on track.I see the same similarities with a Berto fight,a "coming out" party in his cough.......cough.....Championship debut defense for Berto.I think Forbes is a class guy and a nice skilled fighter some time a go and not at welter or higher but I expect Berto to take a win ,possibly in spectacular fashion?Just don't blinded by hype & be fooled into believing he is ready to crash the top ranks with top primed welters right now,Imo...he is not.
Well my money will be going on him to become the first man to KO Forbes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Look Lyle i know that Cotto was and still is a better boxer then Vargas. But Vargas until he got beat ahd a better record then Cotto did he was good solid fighter who was have great success then Trinidad and Oscar came along and derailed him. Now Vargas may not have the Boxing skills of Cotto but he has better stamina, better punch and i think he takes punches better then Cotto did. Look i would take Vargas over Margrito if they fought one another. But you know how Margarito looks at 154 and i Favor Vargas even more. Look Margarito look like the Hulk against Cotto but against Clotty, Santos and Williams he looked like just another fighter. I still stick by my original though that if Cotto fights Margarito again or right away i guess he while end up ruined just like Vargas did after he lost to Trinidad and then to Oscar i just see it that way so wait and see.
This will be a great fight.
Very hard and rugged i see Berto winning a close dec. Berto has hardly looked great when he stepped up to even semi elite level. I also have doubts on Bertos stamina.
Will be closer than many think.
The only thing Forbes HAS to do that he didn't vs De la Hoya was to up his punch output.
Vargas was a one dimensional fighter in love with his power...he didn't have ANY defense. Cotto fought a hard fight and had he stayed in and lost the decision I may agree with you but Cotto only had a couple rounds where he was really beaten up and so I don't think he's anywhere near washed up.
Cotto also didn't get startched by 1 punch either so I doubt he's going to be chinny or gunshy in his next fight either. When Vargas got beat by Trinidad he got floored a couple times early and then got smashed the rest of the fight...and vs De la Hoya he got his ass whipped over a prolonged period of time (albeit while winning many rounds).