I think this showed how much best ODLH is than Mosley at this point
Mosley didn't even look close to as good as De La HOya dida gainst Mayorga. I know this isn't the best fighter for him to face, but he wasn't able to control the fight half as much as Oscar did.... I am glad for Cotto's sake that he didn't face Oscar after Margarito.
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yeah agree with the fact that Mosley didn't look nearly as good against Mayorga as De la Hoya did. i still don't know if i would say I'm glad Cotto didn't fight Oscar, but it would have been a great fight. styles make fights
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Mosley's best days are behind him. I think it's best if he retires. I would hate see to him take a bad beating by some young fighter he would of toyed with in his prime
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All it showed was that Oscar at this stage is more comfortable at 154 . t doesnt mean he is better cuz they could meet at 147 again and Mosley could school him . . . . . again
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Despite what all you guys think, i still think Oscar looses to Cotto and Shane at 147.
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GAME
All it showed was that Oscar at this stage is more comfortable at 154 . t doesnt mean he is better cuz they could meet at 147 again and Mosley could school him . . . . . again
Give me a break, Mosley didn't school him in either fight, and he certainly didn't win the second fight. It isn't about Oscar being more comfortable at 154. Its about Mosley only relying on speed, while Oscar has speed along with a lot better boxing skills. If Mosley outboxed Mayorga as dramatically as oscar did I would agree that he didn't take Mayorga out later being of the weight, but he clearly wasn't even boxing all that well.
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Jimafee
Despite what all you guys think, i still think Oscar looses to Cotto and Shane at 147.
He would knock Cotto out, I love Cotto, but Oscar is the hardest hitter he would face in his career, and the best fighter. Oscar is a faster, he has a better chin, he is bigger, he has a similar style to Cotto.
Don't get me wrong if Cotto had better durability I think he beats Oscar, Mosley, Margarito, anyone else except Floyd, but he doesn't, so all these guys that can take shots and hit harder then Mosley IMO are stoping Cotto.
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Quite simple...
1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights
;)
Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.
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CutMeMick
Quite simple...
1. Size difference (if you didn't see it your blind)
2. Styles make fights
;)
Anyone who judges SSM on last nights fight is blind IMO.
I agree with Mick on this, Mosely is much smaller than Oscar who has even fought at 160, so Mayorga's size was always going to be a problem. In the ring they looked two weight classes apart.
Also, and something nobody else has mentioned, but I think Mayorga was FAR more prepared, physically and mentally for this fight than he was against Oscar.
Oscar didn't beat the version of Mayorga that Mosely did.
Also compare how flat and shit Oscar looked against Steve Forbes to Mosely's display against Cotto and Collazo and you really can't say Mosely has slipped much.
He's still world class, took on and beat a real strong determined fighter in Mayorga who outweighted him by almost a full stone on the night.
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lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.
Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.
Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.
Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.
Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.
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Taeth
lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.
Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.
Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.
Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.
Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.
lol I found myself disagreeing with every single line of this post :p
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Taeth
lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.
Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.
Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.
Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.
Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.
You know as I read this I was thinking OK, he's got some valid points...
Then you end it with that sentece... ;D
"IF"...
If my grandma had wheels she'd be bike.
I that case I'm gonna say:
"If Berto didn't have the hand speed he has he would have lost to Forbes" :p
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Taeth
Mosley didn't even look close to as good as De La HOya dida gainst Mayorga. I know this isn't the best fighter for him to face, but he wasn't able to control the fight half as much as Oscar did.... I am glad for Cotto's sake that he didn't face Oscar after Margarito.
Oscar chose to counter punch and fight off a good hard jab. Mosley just went in thinking he could bomb Mayorga out and found his timing was off.
Lets hope Shane sticks to 147 and works off his jab he is getting involved in to many wars.
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I think its more of a styles make fights
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tysonbruno
I think its more of a styles make fights
I just thought Shane looked poor his timing was miles off.
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Taeth
lol, Oscar didn't look flat at all againt Forbes... He was moving well the whole night, following in behind his jab, he was throwing excellent combinations, and he was going to the body well. The one thing I think hurt him was he underestimated Forbes speed, or decided Forbes couldn't hurt him at all, so he abandoned defense a bit in that fight.
Oscar made Mayorga look worse, it wasn't because Mayorga came in better against Mosley. I am not talking about the fact that Oscar ko'ed him earlier as much as Oscar was much better defensively against Mayorga, his movement was better, he actually had a jab to control Mayorga's offense, he was countering better.
Obviously he hit harder as well, but in terms of who was landing cleaner shots, while not getting hit by clean shots, Oscar wins hands down. That has nothing to do with size. Oscar beat Mayorga more emphatically than Trinidad as well who is larger than Oscar.
Also lets look at Mosley-COllazo, before Collazo broke his hand it sure looked close. He was matching Mosley's speed, and he was countering him, but as soon as he broke that left hand he stopped throwing any punches which Emmanuel commented on the whole night. Mosley looked good that night, but against Cotto I don't think he looked good at all. Cotto outtimed him, outpunched him, and was the better man. The only credit I gave Mosley was that he has his invulnerability and he walked through a few halacious punches, and he land that right hand which is the one punch he has managed to retain.
Personally, I have never found Mosley to be as good as everyone has. I think he was a gifted athlete who was tought poorly how to fight, and that his athletic ability more than his skills have continued to push him through. I think if he had, had a less granite chin, he wouldn't have achieved half of what he did north of the lightweight division.
Wow. Sound like you are describing one of your man-crushes Roy Jones Jr, except replace "granite chin" with "god-like reflexes." :o But you rate Jones as the greatest ever and you think Mosley is overrated. I don't get it. Both are great fighters with one fatal flaw, and Roy's gets him KO'd while Shane's gets him beat on a UD. And I don't mean Roy's chin, I mean he leaving his chin open when he throws the left hook. I guess you prefer incredible athletes that talk a lot of trash and don't take risks with their careers more than incredibly talented athletes who are willing to fight the best available opponents.
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Shane in his prime was at 135 and i pick hime to beat Mayweather and Oscar at that weight so i dont really care waht he does above it.
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you can not call a fighter purly on one fight. We would have to see what shane looks like in his next fight to really see what has happened to him. there is a very very good chance that this was a one off bad fight for mosley.
Whos to say that he just didn't really bother for Mayorga 'coz he thought he would walk right through him? you see it time and time again in world class fighters, fighting a gimmi fight to stay busty and look good, Mayorga was hand picked so obviously they figured Shane would have very few problems, he may of trained physicaly to look good, but how much work did he do training for the actualy guy he was fighting?
We wont know until his next fight, if he looks good and does well yes you could argue it may off been mayorgas style, but i would put it down to bad prep work for the fight and not respecting him enough. If he looks bad in his next fight, then he has just aged to much for the sport.
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Does anyone know how much Mayorga weighed come fight night against De La Hoya? If they both came in at 160 I think Mayorga would get taken out sooner.
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If you're judging them on how they both dealt with Mayorga you can't argue with a 6 round pasting ODLH gave him ;D More people should have talked smack to him before his fights.
Other thoughts. SM looked small & his timing was off (that could have due to rm looking to rough him up) then somehow it started to come together in round 11 & he was able to start landing those right hands. Could have been fatigue or over confidence from Mayorga.
