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decided to properly sit down and score this fight this morning, ignoring the commentry and Ledermans cards, i can only see it as a 115-113 score for Trinidad,
i had it like this
Tito - 1,4,8,9,10,11,12
Oscar - 2,3,5,6,7
just wondering how other people here had the fight ?
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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
I had it the same. No matter how many times I watch the fight I just can't see all the punches that Lampley said De La Hoya was landing. George Foremann also had some surprising commentary in the fight
I had the fight a draw although i can't find my scorecard, so i can't tell you the exact rounds i gave to each fighter.
i think the round DLH won he dominated but he just didnt do it often enough, ICB, i can see a draw as a possibility as the first round was close and could have easilly gone to Oscar i cant see another of those rounds that you could give him though for him to win
i had tito by a round i think
Are you fucking kidding me, are you guys the same people who think Dela Hoya beat Floyd Mayweather.
Oscar toally outboxed Tito, Tito didn't land anyhting all fight, I hate how people seem to think coming forward wins fights, because it doesn't, Landing the bettter shots does, and Oscar clearly outboxed Tito, it wasn't even close.Tito didn't land anyhting in the first round, hence why Oscar won the round, along with every other round in the first 9 rounds of the fight.
so you didnt give him round 4 , although all 3 judges did and Oscar loving HBO did alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Havent got my scorecard handy but I did do one at the time. I remember I had it all on the last round and Tito clearly wanted it more.
I think Oscar had the beating of Trinidad in that fight but threw it away . It was more a case of Oscar finding a way to lose than Tito finding a way to win IMO .
Tito didn't do anything for most of the fight, even at the end it wasn't Oscar, being scared, it was him knowing the fight was in the bag, just boxing smart. This was one of two fights they robbed from Oscar.
It depends who you gave the early rounds to because ODH won the middle rounds, bloodying Tito's nose but won the latter rounds. Although the early rounds were not exciting I gave them just to Tito for pressuring the fight. I had him winning just.
Tito was pressuring, Oscar was punching, and landing. I think people need to watch this fight again.
I had Floyd Mayweather beating ODLH by 4 rounds, but i don't see what this has to do with this debate. ODLH won his rounds more clearly and landed more punches, but that doesn't mean anything considering this is RBR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I had ODLH 6-3 after 9 rounds which i think is very fair, then Tito took over and won the remaining 3 rounds comfortably. Making it 6-6 on my card.
I thought Oscar won the fight hands down Tito did nothing to deserve the win because of that win is why he is even mention with Oscar. Oscar Clearly outboxed him and he was robbed but o well its boxing and it happens to everyone. The only people taht i thought beat Oscar Clearly were Mosley at welter weight, Hopkins and Mayweather. But i while say only person to beat him in prime was Mosley. Never thought that Oscar really ever got dominated in a fight but that is just a thought.
No one was robbed i hate that term used in a close fight like this, and for the record i thought Pernell Whitaker beat a prime ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Well i sure the hell did not and he was robbed should of won the fight with out the last rounds he was clearly beating Tito.
Pernell lost a close fight, but Oscar won that, That right hand was landing too often for Oscar. Also this was a robbery, it was a comprehensive boxing lesson that was placed on Tito. Even in the last 3 rounds, Oscar wasn't punching, but Tito didn't dominate those rounds, he just won them because he was more aggressive. Oscar took him to school, and got robbed. He also deserved to beat Mosley at 154, he outboxed him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo one was robbed i hate that term used in a close fight like this, and for the record i thought Pernell Whitaker beat a prime ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Yes but RBR wise it was close Taeth and thats a fact, Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethPernell lost a close fight, but Oscar won that, That right hand was landing too often for Oscar. Also this was a robbery, it was a comprehensive boxing lesson that was placed on Tito. Even in the last 3 rounds, Oscar wasn't punching, but Tito didn't dominate those rounds, he just won them because he was more aggressive. Oscar took him to school, and got robbed. He also deserved to beat Mosley at 154, he outboxed him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo one was robbed i hate that term used in a close fight like this, and for the record i thought Pernell Whitaker beat a prime ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think ODLH was clearly outboxing Tito and landed more punches in the first 9 rounds, but again RBR wise i had it a draw, but there should of been rematch.
How could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
Well Ice when the last time you have seen the fight and i tell you what i do a round by round if i can find the thing still think it clear win for Oscar.
I'll have to watch this again to be sure... but if I remember correctly, when I've watched this fight before, I usually score it 114-114. Oscar up 6-2 and on his way to an easy decision, then he gives away the last 4 to let Tito get a draw.
For what it's worth, I usually score Oscar-Mosley II a draw as well.
I had Mosley winning both ODLH fights. ODLH gets so much credit for flurries that don't land, very talented in that respect.
And he's also very skilled at covering most of his upper body with padding.
I wish so much I could find the picture of Oscar with Mosley after that fight, his protective padding was in his armpits.
I had DLH-Tito a draw.
Obviously DLH was much more dominant when he was winning rounds (although again he had the flurries that don't land going for him) but that's not the point. It doesn't matter how much Tito did late, he did more than Oscar.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!!!!!
And this is why it's important to watch/score controversial Oscar fights with the volume off. Lampley has an orgasm everytime Oscar throws one of those 8 punch flurries where 1 punch lands.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
AMEN TO THAT, BROTHER!!!!!
It was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow could ODLH have been robbed ? when Tito done no worse than win 2 out of the first 9 rounds. Including winning the last 3 rounds, and thats still only 7-5 to ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Like i already said to Taeth RBR scoring wise it was close and in no way a robbery, you want to know what a robbery is ? Pernell Whitaker vs Jose Luis Ramirez 1, i had Whitaker winning 8-3-1 now thats what you call a robbery.
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
I have no problem with fans thinking ODLH won, and i think fans can clearly make a better arguement for ODLH winning. But a robbery ? hell no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Joi8xTe608
Round 1
begining Trinidad throws some punches, Oscar blocks them all.
2:06ish Oscar lands the first punch in a jab
Trinidad partially lands a jab
1:34 Oscar lands cross flush in a 1,2 combination
Trinidad continues to throw punches for the next minute and maybe lands 1 jab if your being generous
around 0:34-0:33 Oscar throws a five punchish combination and lands a few of them solidly
Trinidad lands a little left hook afterwards
Trinidad lands a jab
So Trinidad lands maybe 4 punches all round, only one hook that doesn't hit cleanly at all, whereas Oscar lands about 5 power punches, and a few jabs as well. He had better ring generalship, He was moving around making Tito not able to set himself, he had better defense seeing as Trinidad threw more punches and landed less, and MOST IMPORTANTLY Oscar landed the harder, cleaner punches.
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Originally Posted by ICB:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
You can shut out trinidad Because he didn't win any of the beginig rounds in My opinion I will go over the 4th and 1st round.
true he didnt win many of the early rounds, it was around 5-2 oscar after 7 imo but from the 8th onwards tito took every round, well oscar threw them away more than anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
You can shut out trinidad Because he didn't win any of the beginig rounds in My opinion I will go over the 4th and 1st round.
Round 4
Trinidad starts off throwing a combination, but only landing a left hook at the end.
OScar retaliates with a combination of his own where he lands two jabs and a right hand before missing and hook and uppercut.
Trinidad gets in a small right hand, or it looks that way because Oscar's back is facing us.
2:19 Dela Hoya lands a hard right hand that looks partially block, but still lands
2:12 Dela Hoya pulls back out of the reach of Trinidad's jab and lands a small right hand ALA Mayweather.
Oscar lands a jab, then throws two that he misses around 2:10-2:08
2:05 Oscar counters Trinidad's jab, that misses, with a hard jab of his own
1:55 Trinidad lands a solid right hand
1:48 Oscar lands one, if not two jabs of the top of Trinidad's forhead.
1:41 Looks like OScar again counters a Trinidad jab with one of his own.
1:37 Tito lands a stiff jab
1:18 Lampley says Trinidad lands a right and left, but I see Trinidad missing his right and Oscar countering with a hard jab again, while Trinidad didn't land his left
0:57 They both land equally impressive left hooks, Oscar to the body, Trinidad upstairs, that one looked partially blocked.
0:52 Oscar lands a little jab in there.
0.49: Oscar lands a solid jab
0.48: Oscar counters with a right cross and left hook. looks like the right however wasn't a scoring shot
0.22: Oscar lands one or two weak jabs
0.18 Oscar lands a stiff jab
0:01 they trade left hooks at the end.
Name the rounds and I will go over any of them, I have to get ready for demonstration right now, but I will go over any round. This is ridiculous Oscar was landing twice as many shots in almost every round before the last three.
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Originally Posted by ICB:lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethIt was a robbery, It was of the same proportions as Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Trinidad didn't win any early rounds, what fight were you guys watching? Do I have to do over it round by round with all of you?
We should have a section on this forum where somehow controversial fights are streamed "live", and we debate it in a msn type format
You can't actually be serious Taeth ? i respect your opinion normally but on the same par as Whitaker vs Chavez/Ramirez 1 ? are you kidding me ?
Whitaker gave Chavez and Ramirez boxing lessons, the Ramirez fight was never close at any point except for a few of the middle rounds. And the Chavez fight was only competitive for 5 rounds, then Whitaker totally took over and won every round after that. With only the 12th round being debatable.
And why should "you" do a RBR for us like you know something that we don't ? Felix Trinidad got outboxed in the first 9 rounds, no one has denied that i believe. But it was no way a shutout in those first 9 rounds, Felix Trinidad done no worse than win atleast 2 rounds during those first 9 rounds.
Then Tito clearly won the last 3 rounds which makes it a close fight, ODLH may have won his rounds more clearly. And landed alot more punches in the rounds he won, but RBR wise it was a close fight and in no way a robbery.
I have no problem with fans thinking ODLH won, and i think fans can clearly make a better arguement for ODLH winning. But a robbery ? hell no.
I easily saw Ramirez winning at least 3 rounds, He was landing shots on Whitaker.
The first round or two of that fight looked like Whitaker would cake walk it, but Ramirez made that fight a lot closer then you are giving him credit for, For sure, Whitaker won the fight by large margin, but so did De La Hoya. Like I said you name those two rounds that Trinidad "won" and I will go over them with you.
Oscar didn't beat Mosley in the second fight with flurries, he beat in him with small combinations, and that left jab that he couldn't land that well in the first fight. He also used better movement and a better right hand. He simply outlanded Mosley by such a large margin that there is no way he didn't win that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
117-111 De La Hoya
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Originally Posted by TaethOscar didn't beat Mosley in the second fight with flurries, he beat in him with small combinations, and that left jab that he couldn't land that well in the first fight. He also used better movement and a better right hand. He simply outlanded Mosley by such a large margin that there is no way he didn't win that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I could have sworn I had a debate with you before about the Whitaker Vs De La Hoya fight, and you told me that Oscar clearly one despite Whitaker landing 100 more punches than Oscar, then you come back in this thread and say that Oscar outlanded Mosley by such a large margin it's no way he didn't win that fight. That sounds like a double edge sword to me. I could be wrong it could have been someone else but for some reason I remember your forum name, am I wrong or right
I will watch the fight again and score it but I know first time around I had De La Hoya winning a close decision.
I thought at times Oscar was schooling Tito, who at times looked like a mini George Foreman lumbering fowards doing nothing but get hit.
Thought Oscar clearly won. Then again its so subjective.
Pardon me for deviating from the topic but Oscar vs Mosley was very sweet. I became a true Mosley fan after that.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethPernell lost a close fight, but Oscar won that, That right hand was landing too often for Oscar. Also this was a robbery, it was a comprehensive boxing lesson that was placed on Tito. Even in the last 3 rounds, Oscar wasn't punching, but Tito didn't dominate those rounds, he just won them because he was more aggressive. Oscar took him to school, and got robbed. He also deserved to beat Mosley at 154, he outboxed him as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo one was robbed i hate that term used in a close fight like this, and for the record i thought Pernell Whitaker beat a prime ODLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I will watch again the Oscar vs Tito fight. I have forgotten that fight already.
Like ICB i had it a draw. could have gone easily either way. and i understand exactly what he is saying. Oscar, when he one a round, won them way more convincinly than Tito. but in a RBR i had it a draw.