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How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
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If two would have been able to crack that granite chin, I would have to go with Tito and Hearns. If Hearns fought his best fight and worked off his jab, there is a good chance he could beat Tony. Hearns was capable of fighting well off his back foot and still delivering a punch. That's a fight I would like to see.
I don't see Tony beating Tito at WW. Tito never lost a war. He only got outboxed. I can see him going down, but he got off the canvas several times to win.
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I see Tito beating Margo with ease, being faster and stronger and more technical.
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he wouldnt have lasted with leonard, hearns, tito, odlh, nobody. but he could last with the guys in the division today except for paul williams;D
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
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Taeth
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
I can see Thomas Hearns easily out pointing Antonio Margarito, Thomas Hearns would keep that jab in his face all night long. And not allow Antonio Margarito to get on the inside, plus Antonio Margarito isn't a big puncher. So its not like we would see a dramatic KO aka Iran Barkley. Infact i wouldn't be suprised if Antonio Margarito had to take a count against Thomas Hearns.
SRL would box rings around Antonio Margarito using his superior footspeed and hand speed not even close IMO.
Roberto Duran would struggle because Antonio Margarito would be stronger on the inside, but Duran is also a good boxer so i can see him out smarting and out slicking Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds.
Wilfred Benitez would actually struggle the most against Antonio Margarito, he stayed on the ropes too much which is where Antonio Margarito is at his strongest. Infact i can see Antonio Margarito outworking Wilfred Benitez over 12 rounds.
ODLH and Shane Mosley both out speed and out point Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds, but Shane Mosley would struggle more because ODLH is more of a pure boxer.
Ike Quartey would struggle against Antonio Margarito, remember Ike Quartey couldn't dent Fernando Vargas who was too big and strong for Ike Quartey. So im just wondering would Antonio Margarito be too big and strong for Ike Quartey ? Im not sure but Ike Quartey had a terrific jab infact one of the best jabs i've seen, and enough power to make Antonio Margarito respect him, close one to call IMO.
Antonio Margarito would stop Luis Ramon Campas no question IMO, Luis Ramon Campas never beat an elite fighter.
Felix Trinidad is too good of a boxer and has too much power, for even Antonio Margarito to walkthrough. I can see Felix Trinidad losing the early rounds due to Antonio Margarito's superior workrate. Then Felix Trinidad warms up and starts landing accurate power punches, and he either stops Antonio Margarito late on while Antonio Margarito is still on his feet, or Antonio Margarito lasts 12 rounds but gets battered in the later rounds.
But what about Margarito vs Curry, Breland, Starling, etc.
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kingfrnk
he wouldnt have lasted with leonard, hearns, tito, odlh, nobody. but he could last with the guys in the division today except for paul williams;D
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
It could be debated all day and night about who Tony could have beat in the 80's or 90's....We can debate on why they would beat him...Speed...Too Good a Boxer etc....
Fact is for all his shortcomings he has proven he can get it done against anyone need be.
None of the formentioned on this thread would KO him..with maybe the exception of Hearns.....
Tony is the type of fighter that could beat any elite fighter on any given night depending on his mindset...He could also lose to any elie fighter on any given night
If I recall I remember a thread a while back about Cotto and how he would do against the guys mentioned on this thread and many stated nCotto would come out on top...Tony beat Cotto handily...
Margarito could bang toe to toe with anyone and absorb anyones shots..He hits as hard as any other WW and when in the right mindset he is brutal.....
Cintron hit's as hard as Tito, DLH, Duran.....Cotto has better body work then all of them....
You can search all day for reasons why he would have lost to them but he has proven just as much why he could beat any of them..
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DaxxKahn
It could be debated all day and night about who Tony could have beat in the 80's or 90's....We can debate on why they would beat him...Speed...Too Good a Boxer etc....
Fact is for all his shortcomings he has proven he can get it done against anyone need be.
None of the formentioned on this thread would KO him..with maybe the exception of Hearns.....
Tony is the type of fighter that could beat any elite fighter on any given night depending on his mindset...He could also lose to any elie fighter on any given night
If I recall I remember a thread a while back about Cotto and how he would do against the guys mentioned on this thread and many stated nCotto would come out on top...Tony beat Cotto handily...
Margarito could bang toe to toe with anyone and absorb anyones shots..He hits as hard as any other WW and when in the right mindset he is brutal.....
Cintron hit's as hard as Tito, DLH, Duran.....Cotto has better body work then all of them....
You can search all day for reasons why he would have lost to them but he has proven just as much why he could beat any of them..
first bold comment. I wasn't one of them.
second bold comment; Cintron wishes he had the Power of Tito.
Hey let's get this straight. Margarito is no technician he is pure chin Cotto hit him with everything but a guy like Tito, and Oscar would make real damage in Margaros chin hitting him fush all night like Cotto did with seriously more power.
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I think A Margarito/Trinidad fight would not be a certainty for Tito at Welter.No doubts about Tito being the more accurate but he had rough times when backing straight out,got clipped a good deal and I can not undersell Margaritos sheer volume, angles and mentality breaking up Titos punch rhythm,making for some sure fire heated and vulnerable moments Imo.And you can forget about all of those Campas comparison's ;D...Campas fought squat and squared...not to mention he displayed signs of "Give" in spots if you know what I mean.
The level of confidence and self belief alone displayed by these two was and is always amazing.Love Tito,always came out smiling ear to ear,yelling out to anyone that was within earshot. Ive got one from the 90's that would collide with Margarito in an absolute car wreck war.....Jose Luis Lopez!!He had a short run but my god,what a iron jaw,awesome body work etc.
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Felix Trinidad was a beast at Welterweight only iron chinned fighters like Pernell Whitaker, ODLH, Hector Camacho, went the distance with him at Welterweight.
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
I think A Margarito/Trinidad fight would not be a certainty for Tito at Welter.No doubts about Tito being the more accurate but he had rough times when backing straight out,got clipped a good deal and I can not undersell Margaritos sheer volume, angles and mentality breaking up Titos punch rhythm,making for some sure fire heated and vulnerable moments Imo.And you can forget about all of those Campas comparison's ;D...Campas fought squat and squared...not to mention he displayed signs of "Give" in spots if you know what I mean.
The level of confidence and self belief alone displayed by these two was and is always amazing.Love Tito,always came out smiling ear to ear,yelling out to anyone that was within earshot. Ive got one from the 90's that would collide with Margarito in an absolute car wreck war.....Jose Luis Lopez!!He had a short run but my god,what a iron jaw,awesome body work etc.
You could make an argument that Jose Luis Lopez was the 90s, Welterweight version of Antonio Margarito. Except Jose Luis Lopez had more power IMO, but i loved his fight with Ike Quartey.
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ICB
Felix Trinidad was a beast at Welterweight only iron chinned fighters like Pernell Whitaker, ODLH, Hector Camacho, went the distance with him at Welterweight.
I earned even more respect for Sweet Pea that night,He really took a shalacking in spots and gutted it out. On Oscars part I dont know If his chin was doing that much work in the late rounds ;D as opposed to his feet.That one was crazy,he really put a clinic on Tito early and took it for granted.
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
I can see Thomas Hearns easily out pointing Antonio Margarito, Thomas Hearns would keep that jab in his face all night long. And not allow Antonio Margarito to get on the inside, plus Antonio Margarito isn't a big puncher. So its not like we would see a dramatic KO aka Iran Barkley. Infact i wouldn't be suprised if Antonio Margarito had to take a count against Thomas Hearns.
SRL would box rings around Antonio Margarito using his superior footspeed and hand speed not even close IMO.
Roberto Duran would struggle because Antonio Margarito would be stronger on the inside, but Duran is also a good boxer so i can see him out smarting and out slicking Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds.
Wilfred Benitez would actually struggle the most against Antonio Margarito, he stayed on the ropes too much which is where Antonio Margarito is at his strongest. Infact i can see Antonio Margarito outworking Wilfred Benitez over 12 rounds.
ODLH and Shane Mosley both out speed and out point Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds, but Shane Mosley would struggle more because ODLH is more of a pure boxer.
Ike Quartey would struggle against Antonio Margarito, remember Ike Quartey couldn't dent Fernando Vargas who was too big and strong for Ike Quartey. So im just wondering would Antonio Margarito be too big and strong for Ike Quartey ? Im not sure but Ike Quartey had a terrific jab infact one of the best jabs i've seen, and enough power to make Antonio Margarito respect him, close one to call IMO.
Antonio Margarito would stop Luis Ramon Campas no question IMO, Luis Ramon Campas never beat an elite fighter.
Felix Trinidad is too good of a boxer and has too much power, for even Antonio Margarito to walkthrough.
I can see Felix Trinidad losing the early rounds due to Antonio Margarito's superior workrate. Then Felix Trinidad warms up and starts landing accurate power punches, and he either stops Antonio Margarito late on while Antonio Margarito is still on his feet, or Antonio Margarito lasts 12 rounds but gets battered in the later rounds.
But what about Margarito vs Curry, Breland, Starling, etc.
Margarito is an encredibly slow starter
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hitmanhatton
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
I can see Thomas Hearns easily out pointing Antonio Margarito, Thomas Hearns would keep that jab in his face all night long. And not allow Antonio Margarito to get on the inside, plus Antonio Margarito isn't a big puncher. So its not like we would see a dramatic KO aka Iran Barkley. Infact i wouldn't be suprised if Antonio Margarito had to take a count against Thomas Hearns.
SRL would box rings around Antonio Margarito using his superior footspeed and hand speed not even close IMO.
Roberto Duran would struggle because Antonio Margarito would be stronger on the inside, but Duran is also a good boxer so i can see him out smarting and out slicking Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds.
Wilfred Benitez would actually struggle the most against Antonio Margarito, he stayed on the ropes too much which is where Antonio Margarito is at his strongest. Infact i can see Antonio Margarito outworking Wilfred Benitez over 12 rounds.
ODLH and Shane Mosley both out speed and out point Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds, but Shane Mosley would struggle more because ODLH is more of a pure boxer.
Ike Quartey would struggle against Antonio Margarito, remember Ike Quartey couldn't dent Fernando Vargas who was too big and strong for Ike Quartey. So im just wondering would Antonio Margarito be too big and strong for Ike Quartey ? Im not sure but Ike Quartey had a terrific jab infact one of the best jabs i've seen, and enough power to make Antonio Margarito respect him, close one to call IMO.
Antonio Margarito would stop Luis Ramon Campas no question IMO, Luis Ramon Campas never beat an elite fighter.
Felix Trinidad is too good of a boxer and has too much power, for even Antonio Margarito to walkthrough.
I can see Felix Trinidad losing the early rounds due to Antonio Margarito's superior workrate. Then Felix Trinidad warms up and starts landing accurate power punches, and he either stops Antonio Margarito late on while Antonio Margarito is still on his feet, or Antonio Margarito lasts 12 rounds but gets battered in the later rounds.
But what about Margarito vs Curry, Breland, Starling, etc.
Margarito is an encredibly slow starter
Not always and not as slow as Felix Trinidad, in alot of Tito's early fights he would sometimes only throw about 10/15 punches in a round. Until he got warmed up after about the 4th round.
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
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DaxxKahn
It could be debated all day and night about who Tony could have beat in the 80's or 90's....We can debate on why they would beat him...Speed...Too Good a Boxer etc....
Fact is for all his shortcomings he has proven he can get it done against anyone need be.
None of the formentioned on this thread would KO him..with maybe the exception of Hearns.....
Tony is the type of fighter that could beat any elite fighter on any given night depending on his mindset...He could also lose to any elie fighter on any given night
If I recall I remember a thread a while back about Cotto and how he would do against the guys mentioned on this thread and many stated nCotto would come out on top...Tony beat Cotto handily...
Margarito could bang toe to toe with anyone and absorb anyones shots..He hits as hard as any other WW and when in the right mindset he is brutal.....
Cintron hit's as hard as Tito, DLH, Duran.....Cotto has better body work then all of them....
You can search all day for reasons why he would have lost to them but he has proven just as much why he could beat any of them..
Brilliant... :appl:
Very well said... :)
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
I can see Thomas Hearns easily out pointing Antonio Margarito, Thomas Hearns would keep that jab in his face all night long. And not allow Antonio Margarito to get on the inside, plus Antonio Margarito isn't a big puncher. So its not like we would see a dramatic KO aka Iran Barkley. Infact i wouldn't be suprised if Antonio Margarito had to take a count against Thomas Hearns.
SRL would box rings around Antonio Margarito using his superior footspeed and hand speed not even close IMO.
Roberto Duran would struggle because Antonio Margarito would be stronger on the inside, but Duran is also a good boxer so i can see him out smarting and out slicking Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds.
Wilfred Benitez would actually struggle the most against Antonio Margarito, he stayed on the ropes too much which is where Antonio Margarito is at his strongest. Infact i can see Antonio Margarito outworking Wilfred Benitez over 12 rounds.
ODLH and Shane Mosley both out speed and out point Antonio Margarito over 12 rounds, but Shane Mosley would struggle more because ODLH is more of a pure boxer.
Ike Quartey would struggle against Antonio Margarito, remember Ike Quartey couldn't dent Fernando Vargas who was too big and strong for Ike Quartey. So im just wondering would Antonio Margarito be too big and strong for Ike Quartey ? Im not sure but Ike Quartey had a terrific jab infact one of the best jabs i've seen, and enough power to make Antonio Margarito respect him, close one to call IMO.
Antonio Margarito would stop Luis Ramon Campas no question IMO, Luis Ramon Campas never beat an elite fighter.
Felix Trinidad is too good of a boxer and has too much power, for even Antonio Margarito to walkthrough. I can see Felix Trinidad losing the early rounds due to Antonio Margarito's superior workrate. Then Felix Trinidad warms up and starts landing accurate power punches, and he either stops Antonio Margarito late on while Antonio Margarito is still on his feet, or Antonio Margarito lasts 12 rounds but gets battered in the later rounds.
But what about Margarito vs Curry, Breland, Starling, etc.
Curry would be even money. He knocks out Breland. As for Starling, it depends on which version shows up. He would have a good chance.
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Why did we not mention Pernell in this thread he was a great welter. Anyhow i can not see Margrito beating Sugar Ray Leonard i think he makes Margrito look silly and wins ever round proable have time to showboat as well doing windmill and stuff like that and still hit Margrito. Nothing i have ever seen out of Margrito that makes me think he could beat Leonard and no way he hurting Sugar Ray Leonard. So you tell me how he stands a chance against Leonard Khan i cant see it at all. Margrito not on the level of Sugar Ray Leonard and dont think he ever while be either.
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Taeth
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
Margarito is a very good fighter , he beat Cotto who is another good fighter , lets not get carried away here. Tommy hearns is light years ahead of Paul Williams in terms of power and skill , and we all know what williams did with Margarito , you are deluded if you think that a durable come forward fighter at welter would beat Hearns , in fact you should punish yourself for even thinking that.
Tito beats him also , as does Leonard , and Benitez , and Oscar , there is a big difference between being a good fighter and a great one .
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Margarito would give any era a tough time with his chin and work-rate.
remember 4 of his losses were when he was a pup fighting pros with 30-40 fights. Casual fans see 5 losses and think bum.
Real fans know its because his level of comp has been high from the start.
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That number is off becasue you forgot the Santos lose but other things you said are correct i just think he was grade below Hearns and Leonard.
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Who did Trinidad fight that had a granite chin, and was as big and strong as him? Nobody that I saw, Vargas didn't have the chin. Also same with Hearns, I think its a quite a leap to assume he could hurt Margarito, and also Hearns had horrible stamina especially at WW. He would not be able to go 15 rounds back up against Margarito. He never had the stamina had 147 to do that. I am obviously not saying he is cut from the same clothe as Hearns or any of these as you all know I hate Margarito, but I understand the problems he presents. I think Leonard can deal with it, I think De La Hoya can deal with it, I think Duran can, but people who are talking about MOsley and his speed, he sucks off his back foot, and he always has. He is horrible going backwards, and thats what Margarito would have him do. Mosley has always had poor lateral movement, and while Margarito would miss in the middle of the ring, I see no reason to believe Mosley's poor defense would be able to keep Margarito at bay, when TOny gets him against the ropes.
Once again people are being dumb here for two reasons. 1) You are glorifying the past. It is a psychological effect for people to think the past was better then the present, and its stupid. 2) Trying to compare fights today with back then.
Hearns had bad stamina, and not a great defense. If MArgarito can handle his power he wins, Hearns was a very slick boxer, good defensively if you were trying to box him, but not good defensively on the inside, or in a brawl. If Margarito handles his power, this goes ala Hagler-Hearns, only it takes 8 more rounds.
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Taeth
Who did Trinidad fight that had a granite chin, and was as big and strong as him? Nobody that I saw, Vargas didn't have the chin. Also same with Hearns, I think its a quite a leap to assume he could hurt Margarito, and also Hearns had horrible stamina especially at WW. He would not be able to go 15 rounds back up against Margarito. He never had the stamina had 147 to do that. I am obviously not saying he is cut from the same clothe as Hearns or any of these as you all know I hate Margarito, but I understand the problems he presents. I think Leonard can deal with it, I think De La Hoya can deal with it, I think Duran can, but people who are talking about MOsley and his speed, he sucks off his back foot, and he always has. He is horrible going backwards, and thats what Margarito would have him do. Mosley has always had poor lateral movement, and while Margarito would miss in the middle of the ring, I see no reason to believe Mosley's poor defense would be able to keep Margarito at bay, when TOny gets him against the ropes.
Once again people are being dumb here for two reasons. 1) You are glorifying the past. It is a psychological effect for people to think the past was better then the present, and its stupid. 2) Trying to compare fights today with back then.
Hearns had bad stamina, and not a great defense. If MArgarito can handle his power he wins, Hearns was a very slick boxer, good defensively if you were trying to box him, but not good defensively on the inside, or in a brawl. If Margarito handles his power, this goes ala Hagler-Hearns, only it takes 8 more rounds.
Daniel Santos doesnt have a great chin , and is not a great fighter , but he beat Margarito , and i can assure you i am not being DUMB as you say , im just giving my fucking opinion .
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those two fights were not exactly over whelming statements by Santos.I thought Tony got jobbed on the 2nd Tech. call .Rodney Jones boxed his arse off just like Williams did early?
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Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
those two fights were not exactly over whelming statements by Santos.I thought Tony got jobbed on the 2nd Tech. call .Rodney Jones boxed his arse off just like Williams did early?
I was just making the point that Santos stood up to Margarito's power , and he isnt exactly a great :)
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Taeth
Who did Trinidad fight that had a granite chin, and was as big and strong as him? Nobody that I saw, Vargas didn't have the chin. Also same with Hearns, I think its a quite a leap to assume he could hurt Margarito, and also Hearns had horrible stamina especially at WW. He would not be able to go 15 rounds back up against Margarito. He never had the stamina had 147 to do that. I am obviously not saying he is cut from the same clothe as Hearns or any of these as you all know I hate Margarito, but I understand the problems he presents. I think Leonard can deal with it, I think De La Hoya can deal with it, I think Duran can, but people who are talking about MOsley and his speed, he sucks off his back foot, and he always has. He is horrible going backwards, and thats what Margarito would have him do. Mosley has always had poor lateral movement, and while Margarito would miss in the middle of the ring, I see no reason to believe Mosley's poor defense would be able to keep Margarito at bay, when TOny gets him against the ropes.
Once again people are being dumb here for two reasons. 1) You are glorifying the past. It is a psychological effect for people to think the past was better then the present, and its stupid. 2) Trying to compare fights today with back then.
Hearns had bad stamina, and not a great defense. If MArgarito can handle his power he wins, Hearns was a very slick boxer, good defensively if you were trying to box him, but not good defensively on the inside, or in a brawl. If Margarito handles his power, this goes ala Hagler-Hearns, only it takes 8 more rounds.
Daniel Santos doesnt have a great chin , and is not a great fighter , but he beat Margarito , and i can assure you i am not being DUMB as you say , im just giving my fucking opinion .
I think it is debatable who won that fight, and it was a division above Margarito's best weight. This is a good thread. We should actually give Taeth the praise the beltholder of Saddo's Gayest deserves.
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
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Taeth
I was thinking about this, and I am curious to see what people think.
In the 80's
I think he would beat Hearns, but I think Leonard would beat him decisively, I also think Duran would be too good on the inside for him. Benitez, I am not sure, he was so good defensively, but he didn't take fights seriously, and I think if he didn't train well for this fight he would lose it, but if he trained hard he would likely win.
In the 90's
I think Oscar De La Hoya would for sure beat Margarito, too good of a boxer, and was big and strong enough to match up physically against Margarito, I don't think Mosley would have beaten Margarito, his style just doesn't work moving backwards, and Margarito would throw, and land more than him. I think Quartey would stand a good chance of beating Margarito for the same reasons as Oscar, but a different style, I think his jab would pick Margarito apart, and he is strong enough to hang with Tony. I think Margarito beats Campas, I also think if he can handle Tito's punch, that he would wear Tito out and ko him.
Of all the fighters you mentioned I think he would beat Quartey and Campas. No way
would he beat Hearns, Hearns' boxing skills are quite often underrated because of his freakish punch power but he really could box. You only need to look at the SRL 1 fight to see this he was more than holding his own against a master boxer. Also I actually think that Marg just takes too many shots to last the distance with Tommy, I mean I know he has an absolute granite chin but Hearns could knock walls down and if you let him hit you as many times as Marg did with Cotto I don't care who you are your getting KTFO.
Same could be said for Tito, he may not have the same power as Hearns but he is still one of the greatest Puncher/Boxers that the division has ever seen and I think that he would have too much for Marg.
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
Could He do 10/7 same Day Weigthin ;D
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
Who did Trinidad fight that had a granite chin, and was as big and strong as him? Nobody that I saw, Vargas didn't have the chin. Also same with Hearns, I think its a quite a leap to assume he could hurt Margarito, and also Hearns had horrible stamina especially at WW. He would not be able to go 15 rounds back up against Margarito. He never had the stamina had 147 to do that. I am obviously not saying he is cut from the same clothe as Hearns or any of these as you all know I hate Margarito, but I understand the problems he presents. I think Leonard can deal with it, I think De La Hoya can deal with it, I think Duran can, but people who are talking about MOsley and his speed, he sucks off his back foot, and he always has. He is horrible going backwards, and thats what Margarito would have him do. Mosley has always had poor lateral movement, and while Margarito would miss in the middle of the ring, I see no reason to believe Mosley's poor defense would be able to keep Margarito at bay, when TOny gets him against the ropes.
Once again people are being dumb here for two reasons. 1) You are glorifying the past. It is a psychological effect for people to think the past was better then the present, and its stupid. 2) Trying to compare fights today with back then.
Hearns had bad stamina, and not a great defense. If MArgarito can handle his power he wins, Hearns was a very slick boxer, good defensively if you were trying to box him, but not good defensively on the inside, or in a brawl. If Margarito handles his power, this goes ala Hagler-Hearns, only it takes 8 more rounds.
Tito had the size and power of Tony at 147, and he was a better boxer. He probably even gets the edge in power. Tito would be able to back up Tony, I think, and very few can do that.
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Re: How would have Margarito done in the early 80's or 90's WW divisions?
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RozzySean
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Originally Posted by
Taeth
Who did Trinidad fight that had a granite chin, and was as big and strong as him? Nobody that I saw, Vargas didn't have the chin. Also same with Hearns, I think its a quite a leap to assume he could hurt Margarito, and also Hearns had horrible stamina especially at WW. He would not be able to go 15 rounds back up against Margarito. He never had the stamina had 147 to do that. I am obviously not saying he is cut from the same clothe as Hearns or any of these as you all know I hate Margarito, but I understand the problems he presents. I think Leonard can deal with it, I think De La Hoya can deal with it, I think Duran can, but people who are talking about MOsley and his speed, he sucks off his back foot, and he always has. He is horrible going backwards, and thats what Margarito would have him do. Mosley has always had poor lateral movement, and while Margarito would miss in the middle of the ring, I see no reason to believe Mosley's poor defense would be able to keep Margarito at bay, when TOny gets him against the ropes.
Once again people are being dumb here for two reasons. 1) You are glorifying the past. It is a psychological effect for people to think the past was better then the present, and its stupid. 2) Trying to compare fights today with back then.
Hearns had bad stamina, and not a great defense. If MArgarito can handle his power he wins, Hearns was a very slick boxer, good defensively if you were trying to box him, but not good defensively on the inside, or in a brawl. If Margarito handles his power, this goes ala Hagler-Hearns, only it takes 8 more rounds.
Tito had the size and power of Tony at 147, and he was a better boxer.
He probably even gets the edge in power. Tito would be able to back up Tony, I think, and very few can do that.
Margarito isnt even close to having the power of Trinidad , he isnt that big a hitter in Tito's company.
