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Originally Posted by ICB
LOL woa woa stop your horses, take it easy give him 3 more fights and let's compare then. to soon. We haven't seen him with a real competitive fighter but yes he is clearly on his way
i wonder who's going to be the next salvador sanchez?
Who at Super Bantamweight can handle his power ? Daniel Ponce De Leon had a very good chin and he didn't last a round. Honestly i think this guy is gonna be great, he has the power of Wilfredo Gomez. And seems to have good boxing skills like Wilfredo Gomez did.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuyaQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
LOL woa woa stop your horses, take it easy give him 3 more fights and let's compare then. to soon. We haven't seen him with a real competitive fighter but yes he is clearly on his way
Well i think Juan Manuel Marquez is similar to Salvador Sanchez.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
sanchez is a lot more busier puncher than marquez. was thinking who would be the salvador sanchez to lopez if he does become the next gomez. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBWell i think Juan Manuel Marquez is similar to Salvador Sanchez.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKisser
i think its too early to compare. maybe after a couple more fights we might be able to compare some. Maybe the fight with Batista on the Oscar/Pac fight will happen. good entertaining fight that will be.
It is early to say but fuck me, he is looking very special so far.
Lopez is Lopez , meaning he can build his own future in history , lets not get to carried away , lets follow him and judge him in maybe 6 years time.
but he looks 1 hell of a fighter .
I know its too early boys but im willing to put myself on the line here, and make that prediction. I really think Lopez will be special and so will Abner Mares.
Wa-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y-y too early for this argument. Gomez is an alltime legend, with one of the best KO percentages of all time, who faced the best in his division in his time. He also became famous for his killer instinct in the ring.
Juanma is good... scratch... great, but give him time. Legend status does not come overnight.
I think people are misunderstanding what im saying, im not saying he is anywhere near the great Wilfredo Gomez yet. But i think in a few years he could be up there with Wilfredo Gomez, as one of the best Super Bantamweight's of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
He has Wilfredo Gomez's power/speed and like i said, he is also a good boxer like Wilfredo Gomez was. If he doesn't make it you can all bump this thread, and let me have it. But like i said im willing to make that prediction, i think he is special.
ICB your enthusiasm and train of thought which tries to pin an old fighter to a new makes me smile. :)
Because despite them both having solid power JuanMa still has not even done one fourth of what Wilfredo did in his career.
But again I like your enthusiasm for trying to pin this down.
If it's one thing that just does my head in is when young fighters are compared to all time greats. Especially ones that are just starting off.
Ramon Gonzalez - Alexis
JuanMa - Gomez
Bojado - JCC
Margarito - Bennie
Berto - Some people say RJJ others say PBF
Pascal - RJJ
Pavlik - Monzon
The list is endless... But to each it's own. If you think he's the next "Bazooka" then that's what you think.
I just think people are quick to jump on a fighter and label them the next "_____________" Insert name.
When the young fighters haven't really been tested all around.
Well in a few years we can bump this thread and we will see if im right, like i said im willing to make that bold statement because i think he is special.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Well, it is early days yet but his last two outings have been outstanding, i'm still getting over the Ponce De Leon KO! Lopez is very impressive and i don't see any challengers out there who will stop him in the next two years at least! The problem is we so little of him in his fights because he keeps knocking everyone out in the first round! It's hard to make a judgement call on him, a lot of people here thought he would lose to Ponce De Leon so where does his next challenge come from?I think he will reign supreme at Featherweight too!
I think Lopez should make a legacy of his own, his polished style combined with the power he has is unlike anything I've ever seen. I'm trying to not get to high on him yet, but he has definately impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Lopez is impressive but it is still too early, but he has the potential to achieve greatness! At this point though I think both Vasquez & Marquez would defeat him. I seeing him stopping Caballero though...
Not so much. I seriously hope he retires.
Wow this post is old i remember it and thinking it was kinda early to call. I never thought Lopez would be great but i never expected him to be ended by the guy who did it. I thought it would be Gamboa but o well he went out on his shield and had a pretty good run just not a atg one.
I guess it didn't pan out like ICB thought. A little less than 5 years later and it looks like Juanma is finished on the world stage.
But I guess they have one thing in common: both washed up at 30.
Hey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mann lmmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Cotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMann lmmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
:vd: It's hilarious the things people lie to themselves about to avoid accepting the cold, hard truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMann lmmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
funny thing is I say the same thing to myself every time you try defending the piece of shit and fooling yourself that he ever legit accomplished anything without wrapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: It's hilarious the things people lie to themselves about to avoid accepting the cold, hard truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMann lmmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Well it looks like Mick was on the money here as Juama was tested and failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Here we go again with your crying business. I dont even want to respond to your plaster accusation because it holds no weight but let me just break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMann lmmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Take 3 punches to give one is Margarito's game and he's always fought that way. That style worked for him only because he was blessed with a granite chin. Simply put, Cotto lost because he couldnt take as much as he dished out and his stamina issue was a big part of it.
Margarito ate alot of punches in the beginning but he was able to absorb them while closing the gap like he always does.. The deciding factor in that bout was Margarito's punch resistance and perseverance. As a knowledgable boxing guy, how can you not see this?
To me, it just seems like you are trying to justify your fighter's loss by reaching for something that doesn't exist but I can understand because Ive been there myself.
And let's not even get into the rematch man. Margarito lost that fight because he had a major handicap and the Boxing politics were against him. The referee and the doctor basically took turns carrying Cotto on their backs.
Just admit that Margarito has Cotto's number.. A healthy Margarito would've beaten Cotto 9/10..
Why am I going to admit what isn't true? The only number Margarito has is Home Depot and he has it on speed dial, Cotto was the superior boxer and that's why he schooled the worm that is Margacheato, it's no coincidence that he looked like shit even in his winning effort against a bum after being exposed as a fraud and a cheat, Giovanni Segura was mixed up in the same mess cause they shared the same trainer, difference is Segura went on to have big wins and come back from losses, Margarito......not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaHere we go again with your crying business. I dont even want to respond to your plaster accusation because it holds no weight but let me just break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMann lmmfao.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Take 3 punches to give one is Margarito's game and he's always fought that way. That style worked for him only because he was blessed with a granite chin. Simply put, Cotto lost because he couldnt take as much as he dished out and his stamina issue was a big part of it.
Margarito ate alot of punches in the beginning but he was able to absorb them while closing the gap like he always does.. The deciding factor in that bout was Margarito's punch resistance and perseverance. As a knowledgable boxing guy, how can you not see this?
To me, it just seems like you are trying to justify your fighter's loss by reaching for something that doesn't exist but I can understand because Ive been there myself.
And let's not even get into the rematch man. Margarito lost that fight because he had a major handicap and the Boxing politics were against him. The referee and the doctor basically took turns carrying Cotto on their backs.
Just admit that Margarito has Cotto's number.. A healthy Margarito would've beaten Cotto 9/10..
Margo didnt achieve the same success because the beatings he took caught up to him. Even without the plaster, he hurt pacqaio enough to put him in bed for days after the fight and he even admitted that margo was the hardest puncher he ever faced. This is the same pacquiao who had cotto cowering like a like a little stooge.. with or without plaster, margo had thudding punching power..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWhy am I going to admit what isn't true? The only number Margarito has is Home Depot and he has it on speed dial, Cotto was the superior boxer and that's why he schooled the worm that is Margacheato, it's no coincidence that he looked like shit even in his winning effort against a bum after being exposed as a fraud and a cheat, Giovanni Segura was mixed up in the same mess cause they shared the same trainer, difference is Segura went on to have big wins and come back from losses, Margarito......not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaHere we go again with your crying business. I dont even want to respond to your plaster accusation because it holds no weight but let me just break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mann lmmfao.
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Take 3 punches to give one is Margarito's game and he's always fought that way. That style worked for him only because he was blessed with a granite chin. Simply put, Cotto lost because he couldnt take as much as he dished out and his stamina issue was a big part of it.
Margarito ate alot of punches in the beginning but he was able to absorb them while closing the gap like he always does.. The deciding factor in that bout was Margarito's punch resistance and perseverance. As a knowledgable boxing guy, how can you not see this?
To me, it just seems like you are trying to justify your fighter's loss by reaching for something that doesn't exist but I can understand because Ive been there myself.
And let's not even get into the rematch man. Margarito lost that fight because he had a major handicap and the Boxing politics were against him. The referee and the doctor basically took turns carrying Cotto on their backs.
Just admit that Margarito has Cotto's number.. A healthy Margarito would've beaten Cotto 9/10..
of course Pacquiao said that bullshit, he was catching shit for the pointless fight in which he was being basically picked as the favorite by every knowledgeable boxing analyst, Margarito didn't have the power to do shit to a man who was half his size he backed a lightweight up in to the ropes for like 10 seconds out of 12 rounds......wow that's really saying he did a lot, yet he's the one who came out looking like Genghis Khan, did a Wilfredo Gomez himself, went in Latino came out Asian, guess it's just customary for Mexican's to see their fighters and say they were just about to win when "put in random excuse" happened and they didn't get to get the winQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMargo didnt achieve the same success because the beatings he took caught up to him. Even without the plaster, he hurt pacqaio enough to put him in bed for days after the fight and he even admitted that margo was the hardest puncher he ever faced. This is the same pacquiao who had cotto cowering like a like a little stooge.. with or without plaster, margo had thudding punching power..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWhy am I going to admit what isn't true? The only number Margarito has is Home Depot and he has it on speed dial, Cotto was the superior boxer and that's why he schooled the worm that is Margacheato, it's no coincidence that he looked like shit even in his winning effort against a bum after being exposed as a fraud and a cheat, Giovanni Segura was mixed up in the same mess cause they shared the same trainer, difference is Segura went on to have big wins and come back from losses, Margarito......not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaHere we go again with your crying business. I dont even want to respond to your plaster accusation because it holds no weight but let me just break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mann lmmfao.
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Take 3 punches to give one is Margarito's game and he's always fought that way. That style worked for him only because he was blessed with a granite chin. Simply put, Cotto lost because he couldnt take as much as he dished out and his stamina issue was a big part of it.
Margarito ate alot of punches in the beginning but he was able to absorb them while closing the gap like he always does.. The deciding factor in that bout was Margarito's punch resistance and perseverance. As a knowledgable boxing guy, how can you not see this?
To me, it just seems like you are trying to justify your fighter's loss by reaching for something that doesn't exist but I can understand because Ive been there myself.
And let's not even get into the rematch man. Margarito lost that fight because he had a major handicap and the Boxing politics were against him. The referee and the doctor basically took turns carrying Cotto on their backs.
Just admit that Margarito has Cotto's number.. A healthy Margarito would've beaten Cotto 9/10..
Chavez Jr against Martinez
Margacheato against Cotto in the rematch
R. Marquez against Juanma
Vargas against Trinidad
and the pattern continues, just sad really
Not as sad as the current Puerto Rican pattern. Actually it's not even a pattern any more. It's pretty much the norm now. Before Puerto Rican boxing was all about champions and warriors. They were Mexico's biggest rival at one point. But them days are long gone. Things have changed in Welfare Island. Now a days when Puerto Rican boxing gets mentioned 2 things come to mind. Quitters and failed prospects. Go ahead and take offense if you want. But it's a straight fact. Thailand boxing gives Mexico more competition these days than Puerto Rico doesQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesof course Pacquiao said that bullshit, he was catching shit for the pointless fight in which he was being basically picked as the favorite by every knowledgeable boxing analyst, Margarito didn't have the power to do shit to a man who was half his size he backed a lightweight up in to the ropes for like 10 seconds out of 12 rounds......wow that's really saying he did a lot, yet he's the one who came out looking like Genghis Khan, did a Wilfredo Gomez himself, went in Latino came out Asian, guess it's just customary for Mexican's to see their fighters and say they were just about to win when "put in random excuse" happened and they didn't get to get the winQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMargo didnt achieve the same success because the beatings he took caught up to him. Even without the plaster, he hurt pacqaio enough to put him in bed for days after the fight and he even admitted that margo was the hardest puncher he ever faced. This is the same pacquiao who had cotto cowering like a like a little stooge.. with or without plaster, margo had thudding punching power..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWhy am I going to admit what isn't true? The only number Margarito has is Home Depot and he has it on speed dial, Cotto was the superior boxer and that's why he schooled the worm that is Margacheato, it's no coincidence that he looked like shit even in his winning effort against a bum after being exposed as a fraud and a cheat, Giovanni Segura was mixed up in the same mess cause they shared the same trainer, difference is Segura went on to have big wins and come back from losses, Margarito......not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaHere we go again with your crying business. I dont even want to respond to your plaster accusation because it holds no weight but let me just break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mann lmmfao.
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Take 3 punches to give one is Margarito's game and he's always fought that way. That style worked for him only because he was blessed with a granite chin. Simply put, Cotto lost because he couldnt take as much as he dished out and his stamina issue was a big part of it.
Margarito ate alot of punches in the beginning but he was able to absorb them while closing the gap like he always does.. The deciding factor in that bout was Margarito's punch resistance and perseverance. As a knowledgable boxing guy, how can you not see this?
To me, it just seems like you are trying to justify your fighter's loss by reaching for something that doesn't exist but I can understand because Ive been there myself.
And let's not even get into the rematch man. Margarito lost that fight because he had a major handicap and the Boxing politics were against him. The referee and the doctor basically took turns carrying Cotto on their backs.
Just admit that Margarito has Cotto's number.. A healthy Margarito would've beaten Cotto 9/10..
Chavez Jr against Martinez
Margacheato against Cotto in the rematch
R. Marquez against Juanma
Vargas against Trinidad
and the pattern continues, just sad really
all that comes to mind when talking Mexican boxing is spoon fed prospects (Canelo, JCC JR, Rios), bigger fighters taking on smaller guys (Canelo, JCC JR, Rios, Santa Cruz, etc.), and old proven warriors who apart from Marquez should be in a museum somewhere, as for welfare, lets not forget Mexicans over populate four huge states in Illinois, California,Texas, and Arizona, most of which work either A) illegally or B ) live off the government, yea, but we're the ones who are from "welfare island" lol VD's mother must have been raped by a Puerto Rican cause well the boy tends to cry like a crack baby when he's trippin out on meth, fact of the matter is you come up with an excuse for EVERY single time a Mexican fighter gets his ass whooped and then try to shoot the same shit at every Puerto Rican fighter, you defend Chavez Jr for being "built up" yet then try playing down Vazquez Jr who still to this day has accomplished more in his career than JC Not such a Superstar Jr, even with the losses to Arce and Donaire, Canelo lost to Trout and struggled against an ancient Mosley, if he manages to actually beat the smaller Mayweather well kudos to him, but you're gonna pull the excuse out that he's weight drained over 2 fucking pounds, he agreed to the weight, he can make the weight, if he can't that's his problem and his fault, but well given your pattern, your manner of being, fuck just the fact that you're dumb as shit and think you're an internet gangster all you're gonna do is throw some stereo typical weak ass insults, tears rolling down your eyes while you type and bitch to your mom, yelling at her from the basement, have a good one sonny :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNot as sad as the current Puerto Rican pattern. Actually it's not even a pattern any more. It's pretty much the norm now. Before Puerto Rican boxing was all about champions and warriors. They were Mexico's biggest rival at one point. But them days are long gone. Things have changed in Welfare Island. Now a days when Puerto Rican boxing gets mentioned 2 things come to mind. Quitters and failed prospects. Go ahead and take offense if you want. But it's a straight fact. Thailand boxing gives Mexico more competition these days than Puerto Rico doesQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesof course Pacquiao said that bullshit, he was catching shit for the pointless fight in which he was being basically picked as the favorite by every knowledgeable boxing analyst, Margarito didn't have the power to do shit to a man who was half his size he backed a lightweight up in to the ropes for like 10 seconds out of 12 rounds......wow that's really saying he did a lot, yet he's the one who came out looking like Genghis Khan, did a Wilfredo Gomez himself, went in Latino came out Asian, guess it's just customary for Mexican's to see their fighters and say they were just about to win when "put in random excuse" happened and they didn't get to get the winQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaMargo didnt achieve the same success because the beatings he took caught up to him. Even without the plaster, he hurt pacqaio enough to put him in bed for days after the fight and he even admitted that margo was the hardest puncher he ever faced. This is the same pacquiao who had cotto cowering like a like a little stooge.. with or without plaster, margo had thudding punching power..Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesWhy am I going to admit what isn't true? The only number Margarito has is Home Depot and he has it on speed dial, Cotto was the superior boxer and that's why he schooled the worm that is Margacheato, it's no coincidence that he looked like shit even in his winning effort against a bum after being exposed as a fraud and a cheat, Giovanni Segura was mixed up in the same mess cause they shared the same trainer, difference is Segura went on to have big wins and come back from losses, Margarito......not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaHere we go again with your crying business. I dont even want to respond to your plaster accusation because it holds no weight but let me just break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesCotto only "quit" after getting his with bricks (literally) for 11 rounds, Angulo quit just cause of a swollen eye from legal punches and no help of Plaster, bitch all you want Finito and try slamming Cotto for the first Margacheato false of a fight, but there's a reason why Margarito's bitch ass got schooled in a rematch, and never won a significant fight since being exposed and now is gonna try promoting fights in a garage somewhere in Mexico probably while working his taco truck, Cotto took his illegal beating, and losses from Pacquiao and still stepped back up and fought better opposition in Mayweather and Trout, while Margarito who claimed his eye wasn't an issue decided to turn in his Home Depot card and call it a career, must suck that your "friend" and hero is just a big joke in the sportQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenHey next time you make predictions for all time greats just stick with the Rican fighters not the mexicans lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mann lmmfao.
U know what though bruh, as odd as it sounds, I was never a fan of juanma until the second salido fight. Even in defeat, he showed some qualities that a lot of fighters dont have. Willingness to go balls out.
He tried boxing in the beginning but once he realized that boxing shit wasnt going to work, he said fuck this shit and resorted back to what he knew best which was brawling . It takes a lot of courage to do what he did because thats the same reason why he lost the first fight. That was gangster and juanma turned me into fan that night. I like garcia but I wanted to see juanma beat him so badly.. I think tht was the only time when I backed a rican fighter over a Mexican lol.
Juanma has much bigger cojones than cotto thats for dam sure. Imagine how he would reacted under such adversity. He probably would hve looked for the softest part of the canvas to get on bended knees or got on his bike like many times before.
Juanma is a fighter through and through
Take 3 punches to give one is Margarito's game and he's always fought that way. That style worked for him only because he was blessed with a granite chin. Simply put, Cotto lost because he couldnt take as much as he dished out and his stamina issue was a big part of it.
Margarito ate alot of punches in the beginning but he was able to absorb them while closing the gap like he always does.. The deciding factor in that bout was Margarito's punch resistance and perseverance. As a knowledgable boxing guy, how can you not see this?
To me, it just seems like you are trying to justify your fighter's loss by reaching for something that doesn't exist but I can understand because Ive been there myself.
And let's not even get into the rematch man. Margarito lost that fight because he had a major handicap and the Boxing politics were against him. The referee and the doctor basically took turns carrying Cotto on their backs.
Just admit that Margarito has Cotto's number.. A healthy Margarito would've beaten Cotto 9/10..
Chavez Jr against Martinez
Margacheato against Cotto in the rematch
R. Marquez against Juanma
Vargas against Trinidad
and the pattern continues, just sad really
ur sick and disturbed if u think Canelo lost to Trout..even Trout knew he lost... I can't stand JCC jr...but I have to give him credit for becoming something I never thought he'd be..a contender. He was seconds away from beating Martinez... many peoples p4p #4.
Vasquez jr... lol.. ur drunk.
man, if u hate Mexicans..fine...don't hire them... if u hate Mexican fighters...make a better argument...
You wouldn't know a fact if it came on your face the way everybody does on your mom and sister. All you do is make up stuff and say moronic shit like Alvarez lost to Trout. That's just straight stupidity right there. You suck Vazquez Jr dick and say he's accomplished more than Chavez Jr yet you can't even name a good fighter Vazquez Jr beat. His best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. And yet you talk about Mexicans fighting smaller fighters? Hypocrite bitch. Vazquez last fight proved he can't even beat bums any more. Not even 30 and already washed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Puerto Rico is not only welfare island, It's King Welfare Island. Let's be honest here. You seriously gonna try and lie and tell me your slut mom, that tramp you call an aunt and your whore sister aren't all on welfare? Of course they are. Welfare office is were your family holds it's family reunions at. Told you before. Facts don't lie.
U.S. Gives 1/3 of Puerto Rico Food Stamps | Judicial Watch
lol and all you do is post bullshit excuses as to why your favorite little fighters get their asses torn up, R. Marquez gets beaten up and quits, the poor little fella had an injury, Angulo quits like a bitch, he had bad swelling so deserves a break, Chavez Jr got his ass schooled and torn up the first time he stepped it up against a real fighter, he didn't train properly for the fight and wasn't serious until the final round, get the fuck out of here venereal disease, there's a good reason why your people are the running punchline of latinos in the US, you can cut the little gangland act cause you're just a bitch having to rely on trying to act like a keyboard Tupac, when you're the equivalent of a Mexican Urkel :-X you know minus the brainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou wouldn't know a fact if it came on your face the way everybody does on your mom and sister. All you do is make up stuff and say moronic shit like Alvarez lost to Trout. That's just straight stupidity right there. You suck Vazquez Jr dick and say he's accomplished more than Chavez Jr yet you can't even name a good fighter Vazquez Jr beat. His best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. And yet you talk about Mexicans fighting smaller fighters? Hypocrite bitch. Vazquez last fight proved he can't even beat bums any more. Not even 30 and already washed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Puerto Rico is not only welfare island, It's King Welfare Island. Let's be honest here. You seriously gonna try and lie and tell me your slut mom, that tramp you call an aunt and your whore sister aren't all on welfare? Of course they are. Welfare office is were your family holds it's family reunions at. Told you before. Facts don't lie.
U.S. Gives 1/3 of Puerto Rico Food Stamps | Judicial Watch
There's a difference between a fighter quitting and the fight being stopped. Anybody with half a brain understands that. It doesn't surprise me that the only 2 who don't know the difference call Welfare Island home. Either way, lets compare. You say Marquez quit? I saw the ref stop a fight due to a fracture shoulder blade. Pretty bad injury. Tell me. What the fuck was wrong with Ivan Calderon when he quit not once but twice against Segura? Was he hurt? Or did he just stay on his knees like a bitch? Speaking of Segura. What the fuck was wrong with Jonathan Gonzalez when he fought Segura? Was he hurt? Or did he just get tired of getting dropped? You say Angulo quit like a bitch? Ok. What the fuck do you consider what Jose Gonzalez did against Ricky Burns? It doesn't surprise me you can't tell the difference. Go back to your neighbors garage that you call home and let somebody else at the library use the computer. PR's are not the Latino punchline cuz other Latinos don't consider Puerto Rican to even be Latino. Fucking joke people can't even stand on it's own two feet. US should do it's self a favor and just eradicate that parking lot place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslol and all you do is post bullshit excuses as to why your favorite little fighters get their asses torn up, R. Marquez gets beaten up and quits, the poor little fella had an injury, Angulo quits like a bitch, he had bad swelling so deserves a break, Chavez Jr got his ass schooled and torn up the first time he stepped it up against a real fighter, he didn't train properly for the fight and wasn't serious until the final round, get the fuck out of here venereal disease, there's a good reason why your people are the running punchline of latinos in the US, you can cut the little gangland act cause you're just a bitch having to rely on trying to act like a keyboard Tupac, when you're the equivalent of a Mexican Urkel :-X you know minus the brainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou wouldn't know a fact if it came on your face the way everybody does on your mom and sister. All you do is make up stuff and say moronic shit like Alvarez lost to Trout. That's just straight stupidity right there. You suck Vazquez Jr dick and say he's accomplished more than Chavez Jr yet you can't even name a good fighter Vazquez Jr beat. His best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. And yet you talk about Mexicans fighting smaller fighters? Hypocrite bitch. Vazquez last fight proved he can't even beat bums any more. Not even 30 and already washed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Puerto Rico is not only welfare island, It's King Welfare Island. Let's be honest here. You seriously gonna try and lie and tell me your slut mom, that tramp you call an aunt and your whore sister aren't all on welfare? Of course they are. Welfare office is were your family holds it's family reunions at. Told you before. Facts don't lie.
U.S. Gives 1/3 of Puerto Rico Food Stamps | Judicial Watch
lol and you do it again, make up millions of excuses for your little boys, Marquez quit, he went back to his corner shaking his head no, that he couldn't continue, hence QUITTING, same as your boy Angulo and Ortiz, unlike you, I don't make the claim that fighters from PR haven't quit, you're the one who tries to play it up as if Mexicans always have a legit reason for not continuing, but well we all know that's not the case, you're so transparent that it's sadQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere's a difference between a fighter quitting and the fight being stopped. Anybody with half a brain understands that. It doesn't surprise me that the only 2 who don't know the difference call Welfare Island home. Either way, lets compare. You say Marquez quit? I saw the ref stop a fight due to a fracture shoulder blade. Pretty bad injury. Tell me. What the fuck was wrong with Ivan Calderon when he quit not once but twice against Segura? Was he hurt? Or did he just stay on his knees like a bitch? Speaking of Segura. What the fuck was wrong with Jonathan Gonzalez when he fought Segura? Was he hurt? Or did he just get tired of getting dropped? You say Angulo quit like a bitch? Ok. What the fuck do you consider what Jose Gonzalez did against Ricky Burns? It doesn't surprise me you can't tell the difference. Go back to your neighbors garage that you call home and let somebody else at the library use the computer. PR's are not the Latino punchline cuz other Latinos don't consider Puerto Rican to even be Latino. Fucking joke people can't even stand on it's own two feet. US should do it's self a favor and just eradicate that parking lot place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslol and all you do is post bullshit excuses as to why your favorite little fighters get their asses torn up, R. Marquez gets beaten up and quits, the poor little fella had an injury, Angulo quits like a bitch, he had bad swelling so deserves a break, Chavez Jr got his ass schooled and torn up the first time he stepped it up against a real fighter, he didn't train properly for the fight and wasn't serious until the final round, get the fuck out of here venereal disease, there's a good reason why your people are the running punchline of latinos in the US, you can cut the little gangland act cause you're just a bitch having to rely on trying to act like a keyboard Tupac, when you're the equivalent of a Mexican Urkel :-X you know minus the brainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou wouldn't know a fact if it came on your face the way everybody does on your mom and sister. All you do is make up stuff and say moronic shit like Alvarez lost to Trout. That's just straight stupidity right there. You suck Vazquez Jr dick and say he's accomplished more than Chavez Jr yet you can't even name a good fighter Vazquez Jr beat. His best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. And yet you talk about Mexicans fighting smaller fighters? Hypocrite bitch. Vazquez last fight proved he can't even beat bums any more. Not even 30 and already washed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Puerto Rico is not only welfare island, It's King Welfare Island. Let's be honest here. You seriously gonna try and lie and tell me your slut mom, that tramp you call an aunt and your whore sister aren't all on welfare? Of course they are. Welfare office is were your family holds it's family reunions at. Told you before. Facts don't lie.
U.S. Gives 1/3 of Puerto Rico Food Stamps | Judicial Watch
Let me get this straight. So there is no difference between what Angulo went through against Lara and what Gonzalez went through against Burns. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslol and you do it again, make up millions of excuses for your little boys, Marquez quit, he went back to his corner shaking his head no, that he couldn't continue, hence QUITTING, same as your boy Angulo and Ortiz, unlike you, I don't make the claim that fighters from PR haven't quit, you're the one who tries to play it up as if Mexicans always have a legit reason for not continuing, but well we all know that's not the case, you're so transparent that it's sadQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere's a difference between a fighter quitting and the fight being stopped. Anybody with half a brain understands that. It doesn't surprise me that the only 2 who don't know the difference call Welfare Island home. Either way, lets compare. You say Marquez quit? I saw the ref stop a fight due to a fracture shoulder blade. Pretty bad injury. Tell me. What the fuck was wrong with Ivan Calderon when he quit not once but twice against Segura? Was he hurt? Or did he just stay on his knees like a bitch? Speaking of Segura. What the fuck was wrong with Jonathan Gonzalez when he fought Segura? Was he hurt? Or did he just get tired of getting dropped? You say Angulo quit like a bitch? Ok. What the fuck do you consider what Jose Gonzalez did against Ricky Burns? It doesn't surprise me you can't tell the difference. Go back to your neighbors garage that you call home and let somebody else at the library use the computer. PR's are not the Latino punchline cuz other Latinos don't consider Puerto Rican to even be Latino. Fucking joke people can't even stand on it's own two feet. US should do it's self a favor and just eradicate that parking lot place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslol and all you do is post bullshit excuses as to why your favorite little fighters get their asses torn up, R. Marquez gets beaten up and quits, the poor little fella had an injury, Angulo quits like a bitch, he had bad swelling so deserves a break, Chavez Jr got his ass schooled and torn up the first time he stepped it up against a real fighter, he didn't train properly for the fight and wasn't serious until the final round, get the fuck out of here venereal disease, there's a good reason why your people are the running punchline of latinos in the US, you can cut the little gangland act cause you're just a bitch having to rely on trying to act like a keyboard Tupac, when you're the equivalent of a Mexican Urkel :-X you know minus the brainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou wouldn't know a fact if it came on your face the way everybody does on your mom and sister. All you do is make up stuff and say moronic shit like Alvarez lost to Trout. That's just straight stupidity right there. You suck Vazquez Jr dick and say he's accomplished more than Chavez Jr yet you can't even name a good fighter Vazquez Jr beat. His best win is over Marvin Sonsona. A 19 year old kid who moved up 2 weight classes to fight Vazquez. And yet you talk about Mexicans fighting smaller fighters? Hypocrite bitch. Vazquez last fight proved he can't even beat bums any more. Not even 30 and already washed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Puerto Rico is not only welfare island, It's King Welfare Island. Let's be honest here. You seriously gonna try and lie and tell me your slut mom, that tramp you call an aunt and your whore sister aren't all on welfare? Of course they are. Welfare office is were your family holds it's family reunions at. Told you before. Facts don't lie.
U.S. Gives 1/3 of Puerto Rico Food Stamps | Judicial Watch
While we're comparing, let's throw in what Oscar went through against Manny.
;)