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Aside the the already signed Hoya vs. PAC fight, the following welterweight fights are under negotiations right now:
Paul Williams vs. Joshua Clottey WBO and IBF unification fight...
Antonio Margarito vs. Shane Mosley WBA championship fight in January 2009...
Andre Berto vs. Luis Collazo for WBC championship fight...
Miguel Cotto vs. TBA
Who's gonna emerge as "THE MAN" at welterweight in 2009?
I think the winner of Williams vs. Clottey fight will become the ultimate man at welterweight in 2009... ;)
It's speculated that winner of Margo/Mosley will probably face Cotto...
So winner of Williams/Clottey takes winner of Berto/Collazo...
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i think williams will outpoint clottey the same way he did margarito. williams is too tall and rangey for most of the welterweights and is also very powerful. if he stays on his game he will be the man at welterweight in 2009.
I hope Cotto will also take a tougher fight... maybe against Cintron...
Where have you heard about this being negotiated? Last I heard, Dan Rafael said this wasn't happening because of bad blood between Al Haymon and Bob Arum plus there wasn't enough money to satisfy both sides for the Nov. 29 BAD date. I think the Williams fight has already been offered to Delvin Rodriguez, per Rafael's notebook. I will be happy if something has changed though. An unification fight makes a lot of sense for these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
I think Clottey can beat Williams
Anyone else?
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Originally Posted by ClubberLangWhere have you heard about this being negotiated? Last I heard, Dan Rafael said this wasn't happening because of bad blood between Al Haymon and Bob Arum plus there wasn't enough money to satisfy both sides for the Nov. 29 BAD date. I think the Williams fight has already been offered to Delvin Rodriguez, per Rafael's notebook. I will be happy if something has changed though. An unification fight makes a lot of sense for these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Excerpt from the article:
"What happens to Clottey and Cotto?
Arum said that plans are underway to negotiate a match between IBF titleholder Clottey and another feared boxer, WBO titleholder Paul Williams, in a unification contest.
The winner between Mosley and Margarito will probably face Cotto in June, said Arum."
link--> Clottey vs. Williams
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Originally Posted by Kel
Clottey and Williams are my favorite boxers at welter... I don't care much on who wins this match-up....
I think the winner here will become the man at welter...
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Interesting, thanks. My guess is they will try to do this early next year and not on Nov. 29. I'm pretty certain they've already given that fight to Rodriguez. But glad Arum says it is being negotiated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerQuote:
Originally Posted by ClubberLangWhere have you heard about this being negotiated? Last I heard, Dan Rafael said this wasn't happening because of bad blood between Al Haymon and Bob Arum plus there wasn't enough money to satisfy both sides for the Nov. 29 BAD date. I think the Williams fight has already been offered to Delvin Rodriguez, per Rafael's notebook. I will be happy if something has changed though. An unification fight makes a lot of sense for these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Excerpt from the article:
"What happens to Clottey and Cotto?
Arum said that plans are underway to negotiate a match between IBF titleholder Clottey and another feared boxer, WBO titleholder Paul Williams, in a unification contest.
The winner between Mosley and Margarito will probably face Cotto in June, said Arum."
link--> Clottey vs. Williams
Berto/ Collazo is a great match-up!
Margarito/ Mosley will be interesting for me. I don't see Margarito stopping Shane. I may be in the minority here but I think Sugar Shane pulls of the upset in a tough as nails fight!
Williams/ Clottey is also another big match-up. I think Williams would take a decision.
The match-up I want to see is Margarito/ Williams 2!!!
Margarito vs Williams would be exciting. The winner of that will be the man at the welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
Regarding Margarito vs Mosley, I agree with you that Mosley would be a tough fight for Margo.:cool:
Berto Collazo is interesting, but Berto should be fighting the real elite now he holds the WBC beltQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
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Originally Posted by PoomBerto Collazo is interesting, but Berto should be fighting the real elite now he holds the WBC beltQuote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
It will be interesting to see how well he does compared to Mosley against Collazo, I think after that fight should he win, Cintron, Cotto or Quintana should happen.
Antonio Margarito can and will beat everyone in the division except Clottey...Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Josh will be the man come 2010!
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/107...-Clottey11.jpg
Funny enough POB i have mixed feelings about Joshua Clottey, i think he is overrated and underrated at the same time. He is overrated by hardcore fans by how well he actually can do at Welterweight, and he is underrated because he is virtually unknown to armchair fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONAntonio Margarito can and will beat everyone in the division except Clottey...Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Josh will be the man come 2010!
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/107...-Clottey11.jpg
To me when i look at Joshua Clottey i see a solid fighter, with a good chin a good all rounder with good countering skills. But theres nothing about him thats great or special in anyway, plus he has stamina issues and he goes into a shell at times aswell.
I think he loses to Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto, and possibly Luis Collazo. I think he can compete with most of the top Welterweights, but i can't see him beating most of em except Kermit Cintron.
Wow... ;D Talk about underrating;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFunny enough POB i have mixed feelings about Joshua Clottey, i think he is overrated and underrated at the same time. He is overrated by hardcore fans by how well he actually can do at Welterweight, and he is underrated because he is virtually unknown to armchair fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONAntonio Margarito can and will beat everyone in the division except Clottey...Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Josh will be the man come 2010!
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/107...-Clottey11.jpg
To me when i look at Joshua Clottey i see a solid fighter, with a good chin a good all rounder with good countering skills. But theres nothing about him thats great or special in anyway, plus he has stamina issues and he goes into a shell at times aswell.
I think he loses to Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto, and possibly Luis Collazo. I think he can compete with most of the top Welterweights, but i can't see him beating most of em except Kermit Cintron.
With all due respect I have to wholeheartedly disagree with a few of your statments. Although known as a good counterpuncher he is still under rated in this respect. I find that clottey will fight at different paces for different people. I agree with the stamina issues and that also explains going into a shell... But c'mon....
Williams... you never know. I don't like Williams all that much but is he atop the division? Sure. He'll give anyone problems but any of the ones you mentioned baring Collazo can beat Williams if the workrate stays up. He just doesn't overly impress me.
Margarito would have been beaten by Clottey should he not have hurt his hand(s). This just goes to show how great a counter puncher he is... To be able to stifle a guy like antonio margarito, you don't need to be a good counter puncher... You need to be a GREAT counterpuncher.
Cotto would be a great fight and Cotto also would be the favorite. Cotto boxes superbly but I think Clottey on a good night could take cotto as well. Clottey's power is also underrated.
Andre Berto with his leaky defense would get countered all night and probably go down a few times as well... Berto, talk about overrated(though I though he showed great skill and grew up alot in the Forbes fight) he's not even close toready for Clottey. Josh 'ud have him on his back more then once in their fight.
Collazo:rolleyes:
;D:cool:
Few things i have to point out here POB, Joshua Clottey only broke his thumb and Joshua Clottey stated this. The broken hand or hurt hands theory is a myth. And also what you may not know Antonio Margarito before his fight with Joshua Clottey, had a shoulder injury and a sprained ankle. So his training didn't go to well so i think you can make legit excuses for both fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONWow... ;D Talk about underrating;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFunny enough POB i have mixed feelings about Joshua Clottey, i think he is overrated and underrated at the same time. He is overrated by hardcore fans by how well he actually can do at Welterweight, and he is underrated because he is virtually unknown to armchair fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON
To me when i look at Joshua Clottey i see a solid fighter, with a good chin a good all rounder with good countering skills. But theres nothing about him thats great or special in anyway, plus he has stamina issues and he goes into a shell at times aswell.
I think he loses to Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, Andre Berto, and possibly Luis Collazo. I think he can compete with most of the top Welterweights, but i can't see him beating most of em except Kermit Cintron.
With all due respect I have to wholeheartedly disagree with a few of your statments. Although known as a good counterpuncher he is still under rated in this respect. I find that clottey will fight at different paces for different people. I agree with the stamina issues and that also explains going into a shell... But c'mon....
Williams... you never know. I don't like Williams all that much but is he atop the division? Sure. He'll give anyone problems but any of the ones you mentioned baring Collazo can beat Williams if the workrate stays up. He just doesn't overly impress me.
Margarito would have been beaten by Clottey should he not have hurt his hand(s). This just goes to show how great a counter puncher he is... To be able to stifle a guy like antonio margarito, you don't need to be a good counter puncher... You need to be a GREAT counterpuncher.
Cotto would be a great fight and Cotto also would be the favorite. Cotto boxes superbly but I think Clottey on a good night could take cotto as well. Clottey's power is also underrated.
Andre Berto with his leaky defense would get countered all night and probably go down a few times as well... Berto, talk about overrated(though I though he showed great skill and grew up alot in the Forbes fight) he's not even close toready for Clottey. Josh 'ud have him on his back more then once in their fight.
Collazo:rolleyes:
;D:cool:
I think Paul Williams would do the best against Joshua Clottey, he would box Joshua Clottey on the outside. And use his superior reach to outbox Joshua Clottey, and by doing that he takes away one of Joshua Clottey's best weapons which is counter punching. Paul Williams would give Joshua Clottey chances to counter at times, because Paul Williams never fights tall for an entire fight. But his reach and height would be too much for Joshua Clottey.
Again Joshua Clottey isn't a good mover, so a boxer who can box on the outside would give Joshua Clottey the most problems. Something Miguel Cotto and Luis Collazo can do very well, so again thats why i think Joshua Clottey loses to Miguel Cotto, Luis Collazo.
Andre Berto vs Joshua Clottey would be very competitive but Andre Berto. Has alot of stamina and can fight at a good pace for 12 rounds, so i can see Andre Berto outworking Joshua Clottey down the stretch. Plus he has the superior handspeed, although i do agree that Joshua Clottey will be able to counter Andre Berto alot, because Steve Forbes was able to counter Andre Berto plenty of times, and Andre Berto's defense is leaky. So maybe Joshua Clottey can win enough of the early rounds to earn a close decision before his stamina gives out, but either way neither man would dominate.