The USA still has it but the UK does not.
As there is lots of Brits and Yanks on this site I think this is a good place to debate a controvercial topic.
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The USA still has it but the UK does not.
As there is lots of Brits and Yanks on this site I think this is a good place to debate a controvercial topic.
i dont agree with death at all. u only get one chance at life. well maybe if somebody murders like alot of innocent people then yea. but life only comes once and if u choose to fuk it off by doin something like that then u dont deserve to live.
This is a hard question for me. I think it should be in place for completly insane people like Jason Voorhees or Leatherface types.
If the person has a "normal" mind I think they should have a chance to change spiritually and do some light reading.
I do believe in solitary confiment. I think every prisoner should have a small cell of their own and a small garden they can enter a few times a day.
I agree with BG really.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Part of me would quite like to hang about 13% of the UK's populace. But the other side of me knows that is a very contentious thing to say.
I wouldn't want to see it i just see a British film called Let Him Have It Chris. And this poor kid the same age as me got hanged for his mate killing a cop, the death penalty would be good on some evil people, but then the flip side is. Many innocent people would be killed for doing nothing. I don't think anyone should be made god and should have the kind of power to decide a person's life IMO.
As administratively inefficient and ineffective as state and federal government are I am against it. But in principal, I am for it.
There are just wayyyyy too many people who get released because of DNA evidence or something else that surfaces and exhonerates convicts for me to be comfortable executing anyone. It might be hell in prison, but at least a potentially innocent person is still alive.
I'm against it simply because innocent people have and always will be, wrongly sentenced. What could be worse than getting snuffed out for something you didn't do?
I have voted for it in the poll on the baces that it is moraly right to put to death murders and other people that have comited awful crimes.
But in reality I would have doubts about it being brought back in to use in Britain because there have been so many miscarages of justice over the last 30 years or so.
So in theory I am for it,But in reality I am against it.:p
Even if I saw someone murder someone with my own eyes, don't think it's appropriate for government to play the role of executioners.
cue Lyle angry rant
I'm not for it but the fact is its really not even a political issue in the U.S., Dem and Republican presidential candidates pretty much have to be for it cause of public support.
Politicians tend to go with what the peopl want in this respect or completely avoid the issue. Several governors have put a moratorium on the death penalty after the realization they'd allowed innocent men to be put to death. Murder isn't a federal crime unless you kill a federal employee.
Not all of the US has the death penalty. 36 states have the death penalty, while the remaining 14 do not. The state I live in did not have the death penalty from 1963-1992, when it was reinstated. My personal opinion on the matter is a tough one, I believe BG is correct on this issue solitary confinement is ok with me.
Every couple of years someone here in Michigan tries to get it on the ballot or a smaller version just for police officers.
I agree with the idea of "an eye for an eye" but the justice system being what it is has put in endless repeals and it's a very slow process and honestly it loses it's effectiveness as a deturrant when people #1 Don't see it and #2 Get put to sleep...dogs and cats that are loved and cherished by people get "put to sleep" killers ought to be KILLED (well in a manner worse than lethal injection).
It's hard to be fair with the death penalty, people were whining and complaining when Karla Faye Tucker got put to death in Texas....she hit a girl repeatedly with a pick axe which was left sticking out of her boyfriend's (who was killed with a hammer) chest.
Here are the ways people should be put to death: Hanging (as a bonus the same rope can be used numberous times), Firing Squad, Electrocution, and Gas Chamber.
Lethal Injection is totally bogus
As for the innocent people you're never going to be 100% right but to what extent do you let that run society? Are we going to stop locking people up altogether because innocent people get locked up wrongfully? And don't think I don't know about the sorrows of the guys like Ruben Carter and (North Carolina's most famous innocent man held in jail for a long time) Darryl Hunt....those are sad stories but they happen death penalty or no death penalty
Depends on the crime commited and who it is against.
If a man/woman walks into their own home and finds the other half in beb with some one else and kills both of them. (depends)
If a person is caught beating, molesting and killing a child. (No question, fry that sucker)
To me, it depends on the crime.
I think we should have the death penalty and i would gladly do the executions for free , will no remorse, its time for a shake up of this pathetic nanny state we live in called the UK.
If there is, it should be hanging or beheading so that body parts can be used.
Im against it really,lock down and forced reading of only certain materials is a great way to go BG.
I take it torture is out of the question :confused:.
A duel between the deceased closest relative and the perp could be an option heres a sword for you, and heres a uzi for you, oh lets make sure it fires alright first, ok there you go,yes dear just point it at him,hold the top down with one hand and as he runs at you pull that little trigger; we got you covered if he gets within 10 feet.
Or for the more game, a plastic knitting needle verses the long sword.
Yes, they need to institute a cull of the criminal class. I'd slash crime in Britain through a simple three-step criminal justice programme that I call "Arrest, Try, Execute." I'd execute even teenagers for belonging to gangs. That'd nip the gang problem in the bud. Same for people who can't keep out of prison, repeat criminals etc. Just execute all of them. I know they have deprived backgrounds and deficient learning skills and what have you but that's just their tough luck.
I would legalise all drugs though. You could legalise everything and it would cause far less social problems and cost than the current system of prohibition does. And that way I wouldn't get executed. By my own policy.
Actually just have a special unit go around to all the trailer parks, just catch them in a net as they are all born and nip it all right in the bud.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I am adamandtly against the death penalty, just as I am adamantly against abortion, human life is not ours to take in my opinion.
I don't think the death penalty has any place in a modern 21st century nation.
Of course I'd love to see the Ian Huntley's of this world hung, drawn and quartered for his child killings but let's be honest here, child killers amount to about 0.1% of all criminals.
If the death penalty was brought in many people whose crimes wern't on that magnitude would likely die too, along with the innocent.
I also cannot see how murdering a murderer makes anything right. If the taking of a human life is wrong (and it is) then a system of vengeful retaliation cannot be right surely?
Also what constitutes murder? To me someone who chooses to have their unborn but still living child scraped out of their uterus and thrown into a bin because they don't want the hassle of looking after it is as guilty of murder as anyone who kills somebody who is actually born.
I am adamantly for it. Put it on PPV and I'm buying it. Motherfuckers that go out and destroy childrens lives by molesting them; people that go into a jealous rage and murder your sister, etc. etc. Kill em all. I bet I do it 1st though before waiting for the tedious job of the judicial system to do it.
Killing someone obviously doesn't take away the deed or even make the pain of whatever happened go away; but vengeance is sweet and watching someone experience the same fear of knowing they are about to die is a beautiful thing.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
At what point in this world of "Live and Let Live" would you say, is the "Rights" of the victims covered?
I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it. If it make you feel better than who am I to crush your world. But this ain't no perfect world and this may come off as being a little harsh and make me an asshole.
But when it comes to kids, death is not the worst thing that could happen to them. (the kids that is) 0.1% does not even come close to the number of crimes against kids that deserve a death sentence. But bleeding hearts let these "Offenders" go to rehab and try to cure them of their sickness.
(must stop here)
Moving on.. You ever have some one close to you murdered? I have had too many friends die over the years. Some due to accidents and some due to illness. But nothing comes close to the loss and the anger that comes from losing a grandmother and aunt in one afternoon. Killing the man who did that would not have been enough.
In the your case on "Abortions". You paint a pretty nasty picture with scrapping and all, but you are not the one who, when 13 or 14 gets pregnant after being raped repeatly and have to choose to keep it or not. Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.
Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.
Im actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.
Read my post again I was not talking about them, the 0.1% of girls who have abortion for that reason, I was talking about those adult women who have an abortion for no other reason than they do not want the child.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
At what point in this world of "Live and Let Live" would you say, is the "Rights" of the victims covered?
I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it. If it make you feel better than who am I to crush your world. But this ain't no perfect world and this may come off as being a little harsh and make me an asshole.
But when it comes to kids, death is not the worst thing that could happen to them. (the kids that is) 0.1% does not even come close to the number of crimes against kids that deserve a death sentence. But bleeding hearts let these "Offenders" go to rehab and try to cure them of their sickness.
(must stop here)
Moving on.. You ever have some one close to you murdered? I have had too many friends die over the years. Some due to accidents and some due to illness. But nothing comes close to the loss and the anger that comes from losing a grandmother and aunt in one afternoon. Killing the man who did that would not have been enough.
In the your case on "Abortions". You paint a pretty nasty picture with scrapping and all, but you are not the one who, when 13 or 14 gets pregnant after being raped repeatly and have to choose to keep it or not. Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.
Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.
A quick google of abortion stats
Abortion Statistics
Reveals the following regarding abortion in the United States, which I guess will be typical to the rest of the Western world.
Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
93% because they arn't wanted and yet people who defend it ALWAYS bring up the raped, those carrying sick and deformed babies and mums who might die if they give birth.
Again I am not referring to those, they have legitimate reasons for termination.
But the other 93%, just murderers in my eyes. Sorry if that offends but it is my view on things, just because it's socially acceptable doesn't make it morally right.
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Originally Posted by AndreIm actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.
;D you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
Oh and I would have replied to you Andre but as usual you had completely lost me by the second line ;D
Never offended mate , it is all freedom of choice though.
I don't agree with most of it either to be honest, but I'm sure as hell not going to judge them for it either, or I lose something.
HAhaha of course go without saying.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I'm for the death penalty. Kill the fuckers.
;D You too .Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by AndreIm actually fully against the death penalty, I was joking along in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
But on abortion Bilbo watch out with taking sides on that one and getting your emotions involved into hatred of some who are forced into that decision. There are degrees of stuff too, in regards abortion. Rape,known genetic disorders that will create a life of misery etc etc.
I know you are leaning towards the churches accepted religious beliefs and what they have taught in regards to what you should accept or should not accept.
BUT When the spirit ,atman, or soul enters a human body it does so right on the first breath taken in, outside of the mother.
It as a life force being isnt in its body to be, during pregnancy, although the fetus does go through all the practice modes for its future physical survival including thumb sucking etc.
Any spirit is not allowed to possess or be inside any other spirit which includes one being inside a mother in waiting.
This is where the God given human birth right of freedom of choice comes right into action.
Dark energies or evil spirits if you like, can only enter into another being if you on some level accept it. They suck energy and light force from people with light bodies and then steal health and energy as they cannot generate light energies themselves, they take.
They also attempt to stop light beings from having freedom of choice in any issue so that they have control over others. Unlike God and the white light brotherhood there is no judgment in regards to any of these matters.
And if you and the Church are correct and do actually speak for God; then where exactly does the commandment " Thou shall not judge come into play? It doesn't because then they lose their control over others and they start to die off.
;D you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.;)
It's like listening to a Paul Williams interview :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre;D You too .Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
;D you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.;)
As I already said Bilbo "I respect what you belive in, even tho I do not agree with it."
But you seem to have missed the rest of the post
"Matter of fact, you being male have no say what so ever on what a girl or woman does with their own body, even if it was your sperm that got her pregnant in the first place.
Remember, this is the 21st Century, not the 17th where women had no say in such issues.
And "Statistics" are only a way for a person and/or group of people to justify their opions on any given subject. Statistics can be made to reflex anything that you want.
Nothing personal Bilbo. ;D
Round the females up, cut them open and scoop their ovaries out. That'll solve the problem for good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreActually just have a special unit go around to all the trailer parks, just catch them in a net as they are all born and nip it all right in the bud.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I disagree, it's up to a woman to do what she wants with her OWN body, but not the body inside her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
If an adult woman gets pregnant and decides she doesn't want the baby so gets it killed it's just fucking evil imo.
It may be legal, but I'd never get with a girl who values her own life and enjoyment above the life of an unborn child.
Again I'm not talking about the 7% of legitimate abortions I'm talking about all the others.
You are right about statistics being manipulatable but come on man you know as well as I do that virtually all abortions are done simply because the woman doesn't want the child.
1.21 million abortions in the US alone in 2005, that's a hell of a lot of kids getting raped and impregnated don't you think?
It's also true that around 40% of all woman going for an abortion have had one previously.
It's just wrong is all I'm saying.
It's no different to the Chinese drowing unwanted girls in the river just with modern technology we can kill them sooner.
I mean if a thief broke into your home and stole a valuable ring it would be theft, but if he stole it in the mail whilst it was being sent to you would it not be theft, as after all the ring was not delivered yet?
It's such a weak and selfish argument.
Oh and if you argue that it's the woman's choice, and I accept legally it is, then under the freedom of speech act I can exercise my own right to say that it's fucking evil and that they have done a shameful thing.
In a non judgemental way of course ;D
Far too many cases of Current DNA findings resulting in the release of people proven innocent.Also,I just have an issue with the State and or Federal government ordering,mandating executions of any citizen.In some ways,Execution is far to easy for someone proven through DNA or substantiated eye witness accounts to have taken a life in the most savage of ways....case by case,Let em suffer in a cold dank cell,alone and on a diet of saltines & water.And why all of the Animal testing with these types available? All of the IED's maiming Guy's/Gal's over sea's.....just have these fawks walk in front of the hummers?How about a real life 'Saw" movie?Shit...those crash test dummies could use a break after all....how much more definative results can you hope for with side collision impact than the real thing?Or just let the Victims direct family make the ultimate decision?Honestly,If a member of my family were to be harmed by another individual,The courts would have to beat me to a "decision".But I really can not stand Saltines either.....:-X
Andre we have got to go on the piss when I'm in Australia , you are pretty wise for a senile Old Guy ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre;D You too .Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
;D you gotta love this kat Andre; I can't understand a f#cking thing he says.
Well,you cant fathom truth just utilizing the brain alone, although if you did take it to heart; all the false social and religious beliefs taught to us and all the self guilt would fall off you like chains and you'd feel free,unjudged and think better about yourself then everyone and everything.;)
We're on abortion now?!?!?!
Well here is my view on that... I think abortion does need to be safe and therefore Government controlled (a part of me dies each time I use those two words together), however I think education needs to be a big part of helping solve this problem abortion shouldn't be the main type of birth control (because basically that's what the pro-choicers think it is) people use, also this whole "It's my body and nobody can tell me what to do with it" excuse is BULLCRAP! It's an ABORTION not a fucking tatoo! The government tells everyone what they can and can't do with their bodies...I can't do illegal drugs but "It's my body", I can't walk naked down the center of town but "It's my body".
Abortion does need to be safe though, we don't need the 1930's style back alley doctors shoving coathangers in women. If it HAS to be done then it needs to be done humanely.
I also think individual States should decide stuff like this gay marraige and what drugs are legal or illegal because it's not in the Constitution or any of the Ammendments.
1000% agree with this, it is not within the scope of what the Federal government does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
One of the best posts you've ever written Lyle, 100% agree mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyle