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Thats a really ugly case of denial. It isn't that he couldn't find his punches, his punches just couldn't find Bhop, because yes, Bhop is that good/crafty.
first of all he didnt say he isnt crafty he said that it wasnt his craftyness theres a difference. but kelly is wrong about most of what he said. Hopkins is just a better fighter plain and simple everybody should know that. but didnt nobody think it was gonna go down like that. but im kinda pissed that he said that cause he beat taylor twice and he thought he was gonna beat bernard. Kelly should know that styles make fights. and he should have paid better attention to the taylor and calzghe fights so he could see how extremely hard it is to hit bhop.
Im still a fan though.
I like Pavlik it was just after the fight so you can let it slip.
It was his dickhead fans.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
why talk shit about his fans. every fighter has die hard fans. Calzaghe, pavlik, pacman, bhop, roy jones, cotto, margarito, etc etc. but that doesnt mean there dickheads it just means that they really like there fighter thats it. there will always be DIE HARD fans or as u call em DICKHEADS so get used to it.
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
why talk shit about his fans. every fighter has die hard fans. Calzaghe, pavlik, pacman, bhop, roy jones, cotto, margarito, etc etc. but that doesnt mean there dickheads it just means that they really like there fighter thats it. there will always be DIE HARD fans or as u call em DICKHEADS so get used to it.
A % of Pavliks fans were the worst i had ever seen. You were pretty bad your drunk ravings. Bit of a bummer him losing like that.
I always said how can a guy with no footwork and a chin that poor really be picked over Calzaghe?
Right you are about denial. You see it all the time. I like how, after he makes all those excuses, he then says: "but it's not an excuse"Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
What do you expect it's his first loss Pavlik is usually classy enough.
its not like calzaghe can beat pavlik because bernard beat pavlik. joe is no where as slick as hopkins, so he will get hit. and i hope u dont think calzaghe can ko kelly, cause he has no power at all. and how is his chin poor he took a beatin all 12 rounds and never went down once.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
why talk shit about his fans. every fighter has die hard fans. Calzaghe, pavlik, pacman, bhop, roy jones, cotto, margarito, etc etc. but that doesnt mean there dickheads it just means that they really like there fighter thats it. there will always be DIE HARD fans or as u call em DICKHEADS so get used to it.
A % of Pavliks fans were the worst i had ever seen. You were pretty bad your drunk ravings. Bit of a bummer him losing like that.
I always said how can a guy with no footwork and a chin that poor really be picked over Calzaghe?
i watched this this morning i feel sorry for Pavlik a bit because he just doesn't know what happened to him why it went wrong. He said i hit him with my jab then he was moving to the right i couldn't get off it just shows that Bernard Hopkins just took all this kids major tools away he took him to school true masterclass im just grateful to have witnessed it. But i will say this just because Hopkins beat him doesn't mean Calzaghe can styles make fights but we won't see it now.
Pavlik is right.
He isn't good........................... He is Great. :)
I think Pavlik is simply not taking the loss too well.
It will take time.
He is trying to save face, oh I couldn't throw punches. I couldnt get off as usual. Theres a reason for that B-Hop made him pay every time he tried, it's hard to come out and say I just got outquicked by a 43 yo. ;D
really it isn't an excuse though.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
When Hopkins complained about his loss to Calzaghe he was insulted and that fight was actually close.
Pavlik loses decisively, complains and people tell us to leave him alone.
Dear Kelly,
If you really want to be in true denial, start blaming the referee for everything that went wrong.
Sincerely,
Ricky Hatton
LOL classic;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
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please dont start that arguement again. i had so many arguements on the Hatton and Mayweather fight its not even worth speaking about anymore. especially when the guys say that the ref didnt let hatton fight his fight.
Pavlik wasn't at all discrediting Hopkins. He said "it wasn't his craftiness" (that made him lose) but infact all in himself. You somehow took that as him insulting Hopkins? If you look later on in the video he stuttered saying "he beat me" to flat out saying "he (Hopkins) whooped my butt."Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Trust me, Pavlik was taken to school, and he definitely learned a lesson.
If Pavlik fans are known as "dickhead" fans I could only imagine the adjective that is used to describe the Calzaghe fanatics...Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Bruno already said "classic" but it is exactly that...Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
If his fans are dick heads then i must have a big pair of balls covering my eyes because im still a fan was before the fight and i am now;);DQuote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
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Originally Posted by piye
Its easy to be classy when you're knocking out/beating everyone you fight. Class is measured on how you act when faced with adversity and defeat, and I don't think he's quite measuring up.
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Originally Posted by caleoh12Pavlik wasn't at all discrediting Hopkins. He said "it wasn't his craftiness" (that made him lose) but infact all in himself. You somehow took that as him insulting Hopkins? If you look later on in the video he stuttered saying "he beat me" to flat out saying "he (Hopkins) whooped my butt."Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Trust me, Pavlik was taken to school, and he definitely learned a lesson.
Bruno already said "classic" but it is exactly that...Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
No big deal, he is a bit concussed. He did not give an interview on Top Rank so was interested in what he said. He is a poor technical boxer who trains and hits hard.
Takes time to get over a lose like that still young we while see. I like Pavlik but man does he have some work to do i feel Pavlik whiel come back better then Cotto who i think is done but could be wrong about it. I think Pavlik can still run on and be teh man at mw as for Cotto think he may turn out like Vargas but lets see how it goes on the comeback fights.
I'll be honest, I am curious to see if Pavlik gets over this psychologically. He was very confident in himself. Maybe too confident.Quote:
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Thank you master i know my spelling is not that great most of it is because i have large hands tend to hit to many keys at once. Reason why you read some of my stuff and find radom letters in it. I cant get the spell check to work so i can not find my mistakes but do your best i wish i coudl just record my voice and would get my point alot better lol.
I gotta say that he really didn't look right in there. I rewatched the Miranda and 1st Taylor fights yesterday and that just wasn't the same guy in there. And it's not just because of the shots he was taking, Taylor was hitting him with great shots but he just kept coming forward and throwing shots. It was a strange performance.
I also thought he wasn't himself. Even if he wasn't landing anything solid, Pavlik would usually just throw. He wasn't landing anything on Taylor during their second fight but he just kept throwing. I'm assuming Hopkins' shots were hurting Pavlik and he was just trying to be cautious.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
You're watching the wrong fights imo lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12I also thought he wasn't himself. Even if he wasn't landing anything solid, Pavlik would usually just throw. He wasn't landing anything on Taylor during their second fight but he just kept throwing. I'm assuming Hopkins' shots were hurting Pavlik and he was just trying to be cautious.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Both JT and Miranda toss the same type of punches and both have teh same flaw of dropping their guard low, standing in the pocket, on the ropes, or in a corner. They let Kelly plant their feet.
Notice how god awful kelly looked in the rematch with JT in comparision to his first fight? Not just because it was at 160, but because Taylor fought a more technical fight, just without the lateral movement.
Pavlik can't handle slick stuff.
As for the guy who said Pavlik wasn't discrediting hopkins.
He clearly says hopkins can't be that slick, he lost to taylor twice, a guy that he beat twice.. and lost to Calzaghe.. and that they were hitting him at will.. so he must not be that crafty.
That's an insult IMO, and and even bigger insult in himself for thinking that he could be Hopkins just because he had lost to Taylor.
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I also thought he wasn't himself. Even if he wasn't landing anything solid, Pavlik would usually just throw. He wasn't landing anything on Taylor during their second fight but he just kept throwing. I'm assuming Hopkins' shots were hurting Pavlik and he was just trying to be cautious.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
so im guessing theres gonna be another thread call "That wasnt Pavlik in the ring?"
Only if that performance was done by Pacquiao, Saddoboxer would've already posted that type of thread...good thing he isn't Pavlik fan...=)Quote:
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Originally Posted by caleoh12I also thought he wasn't himself. Even if he wasn't landing anything solid, Pavlik would usually just throw. He wasn't landing anything on Taylor during their second fight but he just kept throwing. I'm assuming Hopkins' shots were hurting Pavlik and he was just trying to be cautious.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
so im guessing theres gonna be another thread call "That wasnt Pavlik in the ring?"
It was part craftiness but mostly speed. If Hopkins didn't have the speed he would have never pulled this craftiness off. Pavlik couldn't land hardly a single punch because of hopkins speed advantage.
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I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.
Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.
I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.
Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.
He was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.
Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.
I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.
Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.
It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".
Thats the lack of experience talking.
It's probably because the target was there, it just moved once he threw or was ready to throw.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileHe was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.
Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.
I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.
Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.
It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".
Thats the lack of experience talking.
I don't know I think Pavlik after beating miranda and taylor twice let it all get to himself, like he started buying his own hype, and the people around him probably didn't help with that. In the miranda fight miranda did all the barking outside the ring and kelly was just like "we'll see in the ring" you know where as up to this fight him and his camp were talking a fair amount of shit. As for him getting beat, if he stays at 160 he'll most likely rule that division for years unless abraham was to beat him in the fight, which is a 50-50 fight. Everything also depends on how well he copes with this defeat.
Hopkins beat him just with his footwork and his jab. His footwork was leagues ahead of Pavlik and allowed him to control the fight. He probably could have won using just the jab his footwork was so superior. Pavlik needs to realise that.
See,I thought the opposite in a way,Those are different styles and as the mantra goes,especially after this one it seems....Styles make fights.Could very well be Kelly was fine and Hopkins was "not the same" or different opposed to his recent pedestrian outings....He initiated the offense,Multiple combinations,brought the missing left hook off the jab,etc.It's all about Cause & effect when the styles clash.The reason he could not implement his game plan was that Hopkins had more and was faster at implementing his.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I think Kelly needs some time,Don't rush back into some huge mega fight for the spotlight and end up another also ran.He has to find some gears and this one can be a physiological load to bare.
Tell me ....are they worse dickheads than that of Calzaghe and Hatton's fans. He beat the man who beat the man twice and he did it twice. I still think he can beat Calzaghe. Hopkins looked totally awesome. Pavlik proved his chin is better than most thought. He just needs to stay at 160 and not jump to light heavy till he is ready and he should go onto 168 then 175. Pavlik looked slower at 170.Quote:
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Originally Posted by intoccabileHe was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BIG H
I haven't seen this fight yet.....but, it's not unusual for a fighter to be disappointed with their own performance. It sounds like both guys had unusual nights. Bhop is a great but hasn't looked good in very many of his recent fights.
Pavlik can be understandably dismayed that it wasn't the Bhop that fought Taylor in the ring. And I think most would agree that if Bhop threw 7-10 punches a round and stood around and posed like he did against J.T. he would have lost.
I don't think Pavlik was bitching about Bhop. More like he was bitching about himself. He performed badly and knew it. It's harder to accept a loss when you know you weren't at your best.
Bitching is when you are satisfied with your own performance but think the judges gave you a bum decision or someone else prevented you from winning. I didn't hear that in the clip. Sounded like someone saying "I got my ass whooped, when I shouldn't have". He felt like he should have won or at least had a close fight.
Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.
It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".
Thats the lack of experience talking.
I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part???
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.
I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.
How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie?????
I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......
I was being sarcastic with the ghost tying his hands rofl.Quote:
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Originally Posted by intoccabileHe was at his best. Said he felt perfectly fine going in, inbetween rounds, everything.Quote:
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Says there is a mysterious ghost that tied his hands down after the bell and he couldn't move his arms to punch though.
It's an excuse. He's never been in the ring with a fighter who can pick him apart and take away all his tools before - the only logical answer now is " I dont know what happened. I felt perfectly fine, i just couldn't punch or throw a punch".
Thats the lack of experience talking.
I must have missed the ghost tying his hands down part???
He said he didn't know why he didn't fight his best. He said he was in shape, not tired, felt fine, just couldn't do what he normally does. Maybe it was because Bhop was so good, but maybe it was because he had an off night and Bhop was good. Don't know, but he didn't sound like he bitched about Bhop.
I have played basketball games where I just missed shots i've made a million times and it felt like I couldn't make a basket. Not injured, no problems, got positions to take the shots and should have made them just didn't. When I lose that way I am pissed and complain alot. Not about the other team or players, just about how I played. Losing sucks always, but it's worse when you didn't play your best. That's how Kelly sounded to me. He acknowledged he got his butt kicked, but complained about how he fought, not how Hopkins fought.
How would an experienced fighters complain? Bhop cheated, I was sick, the ref interfered, I won but the judges don't like me, HBO made sure their fighter won, I was robbed, I got a fukked up promoter, I overtrained, I was shooting a movie?????
I don't see how it was "lack of experience" talking. Those excuses above were by experienced guys like Bhop, Hatton, Judah, Lennox......
And it was a lack of experience talking because he doesn't know what was wrong in there.
What was wrong is he's never fought a fighter with lateral movement, someone who can take his tools from him
the way bhop did. Did you see teh SCARED look on his face after the 12th round? During the scuffle, teh way he backed up with absolute
horror in his eyes? Did you see the look of disbelief and humble afterwards?
Its the first time he felt USELESS. .and there are many fighters who can make people feel this way, Bhop being one of them.
He's never had that happen before, he's never had that EXPERIENCE in the ring before. So his only arguement is " It can't be that he was too crafty, i mean.. taylor beat him twice! I beat taylor twice! taylor and calzaghe hit him at will! I just couldnt get anything going.. i dont know.. i tjust wasnt me "
This is the lack of experience talking. When you say you dont know why you didn't beat someone that someone you had beaten beat, thats lack of experience.
Give the guy a break, Hopkins broke his heart, he will need time to get over it. He was not bitchin, he just could not understand what happened in there. He was far from prepared for a one sided loss, maybe he read too many posts on this forum, huh?;)